Hey Guys,

So I am finally upgrading my factory front splits to something decent. I already have a great HU and AMP, but as I was about to buy the splits,6 Months ago the money for them was depleted from moving house.

Now The money is there, Im willing to spend up to $400, but would prefer something a little cheaper, as Im not fully into SQL. I just want it to sound nice!

I'll probably end up getting a sub too, but I would prefer not to...

So basically, Im just wanting you guys to tell me what splits I should buy! :)

Thanks for the help!

iv got hertz hi energy splits which iv had for years in a few cars and i cant fault them , they are pricey and mounting depth could be an issue with the newer series iv got the older ones which have a mounting depth of 69mm and they only just fit with no spacer the newer ones have the same mounting depth so should be good

only problem is the price of 420 plus 60 postage , still my recomendation ,good luck

I just dropped some morels in the 380, i really impressed with them, there is a set for under 2and for under 4, but you need a 8 band eq or better To really get the best of them, but a bass middle and treble might pull them in a bit. I've always reckon that a -2 or -3 setting in the cross over helps, these don't have that, but sound good, and are not fatiging at all.

Hertz are sweet, but skip the metal tweeters.
I posted up a thread about chasing good value speaker, peaandham had some great input as usual.
I even liked the sounds of the entry pioneer, but the lack the ability to pull down the tweeter in the crossover too, and seeing the tweeter is usually much closer to your head than the mid, its really worth chasing. There's great deals about on morel at the moment. So there 600 set that does have -2 attenuation. Should be able to had for about 400.
I think the max size of a tweeter to fit in a verada sail pod was about 22mm deep and 37 wide.
Its got to be the best way to put a speaker in a magna without getting a headache, I'd recommend you take a sail pod with you when you go shopping. If you want to use it that is.

But if you go nuts and want an active set up, 400 will up another level again, but that's a whole new ball game.
Nicer HU, rarely ever rear speakers, but amazing tuning possibities.

Here's a fantastic wrap up by MEA of some top notch splits for under $300
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/products/reviews/affordable_65_two_way_components_review/

If you feel like stretching the budget to the $600 mark here's some amazing sets:
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/products/reviews/65_two_way_components_review_under_600/

The review is almost 2 years old so some of the prices may have come down.

All sounds quiet good! I'll probably get some morel tempo 6.
Apart from them any other speakers I should consider?

I have heard the Morel's in Martys 380 and was very impressed with them. They will be my pick on the next upgrade for sure no more Alpine type S splits any more

Okay so, Im now considering the Morel Maximo 6 and the DLS RS6

What should I be choosing??
I genuinely have no idea what I should be picking?

If you have $400 the DLS RS6's are well worth it.

If you have $400 the DLS RS6's are well worth it.

Ahh Ive been waiting for you to chime in!

Yeah Im fairly certain Im going to go for them!

Nice set. Good Mid Bass Too
Tweeter cage looks a bit big for a Rada sail. Can you confirm if they fit? Luke.
I wouldn't drop them in the Dash holes. Not a $400.00 speaker..

Ahh Ive been waiting for you to chime in

Im surprised you want my opinion tbh lol.

Is this a KW/KL or what car exactly? There is a set of these DLS splits at Coinslot Enterprises at Kilkenny, you can always have a chat to Callum, its his business he might let you physically see if they fit.

They come with surface and flush mounting cups which opens up a couple of more options, you could always remove the factory sail panels that allow a tweeter, refit some of the flat ones and then place the tweeters firing at opposite headrests, a little bit of hot glue and playing around will get you a position that you like. However, I have recently started playing with using the windscreen to direct reflections to help staging, now tweeter frequencies are quite short, meaning that if you place them temporarily in the dash holes play them you might find they loose a little bit of detail OR they sound a little muffled however cancellation would be the problem you will most likely run into. Without time alignment it will improve staging and can make you believe it actually sounds better tonality wise and thats the great thing about staging. However you would need to have a play with them for this. I have never owned a set of DLS speakers before but I have heard quite a few sets, and it kind of make me wonder why I am not running them, their mid basses are quite impressive and with a little bit of tuning you nice natural flat from this which is sometimes just what you need.

The Maximo's are a good safe bet, Shoot can tell you they fit, I think theres more to be had from the DLS pair though.

Downside about the DLS Splits are the ugly raised dust cap.

As said above the morel's get a vote from me too, also have a look at the Polk audio MM6501 splits which are a nice sounding speaker as well, I think you can get a set for around 250 on ebay. I have bought 2 sets of these and for my ears they are better than focal's costing twice as much. I wouldn't bother with the hertz, I don't think they proform that well.

At the end of the day it's about what suits your ears the best. Tonkins in the city have a good range you can have a listen too. Don't buy a speaker untill you have listened to it.

I'll try and chime in here as well. I'm not a audiophile so I can't give you too much of a comprehensive run-down of car audio.

I do have the Morel Dotech Ovation's and it's not as impressive as I thought they would be for a $600 set of speakers. I think my issue is more to do with the lack of processor and mounting of the speakers. My tweeters are located in the dash holes and the speaker is fitted to a unsealed door.
I'm finding the tweeters very harsh and the speakers to have a mild output across the range. They seem to lack depth with sound and you can really tell the direction of the sound. I'm used to sound coming from the front of a stage and the direction being unable to be traced.
I was hoping for more midbass and congruence across the frequencies. They are a crisp and clean sounding speaker, but they just don't have that full bodied sound I've heard in the past from stage productions I've done some film production gigs for.

I might need to learn better tuning for my setup because oddly I've heard very good reviews about Morel car audio as of late which is surprising to me.

If the tweeters for the maximo are the same size as the ones in the Dotech Ovation set then they won't fit in the door A pillar sails. I'm in the process of trying to work out a way to drill a bigger opening and mounting the tweeter in the sail. Obviously glue is easiest but would be permanent. I want to be able to remove them from the sail if I need too.

You can spend as much as you want on speakers but if you don't set them up rite you can't expect results. Tweeters in the sails are a good place if you can fit them in, seal off the service ports in the doors and dynamat the door inner and outer skins and make a angled MDF speaker baffle, this is the basic setup and can make your average speakers sound better than your $600 splits.

Im surprised you want my opinion tbh lol.

Is this a KW/KL or what car exactly? There is a set of these DLS splits at Coinslot Enterprises at Kilkenny, you can always have a chat to Callum, its his business he might let you physically see if they fit.

They come with surface and flush mounting cups which opens up a couple of more options, you could always remove the factory sail panels that allow a tweeter, refit some of the flat ones and then place the tweeters firing at opposite headrests, a little bit of hot glue and playing around will get you a position that you like. However, I have recently started playing with using the windscreen to direct reflections to help staging, now tweeter frequencies are quite short, meaning that if you place them temporarily in the dash holes play them you might find they loose a little bit of detail OR they sound a little muffled however cancellation would be the problem you will most likely run into. Without time alignment it will improve staging and can make you believe it actually sounds better tonality wise and thats the great thing about staging. However you would need to have a play with them for this. I have never owned a set of DLS speakers before but I have heard quite a few sets, and it kind of make me wonder why I am not running them, their mid basses are quite impressive and with a little bit of tuning you nice natural flat from this which is sometimes just what you need.

The Maximo's are a good safe bet, Shoot can tell you they fit, I think theres more to be had from the DLS pair though.

Downside about the DLS Splits are the ugly raised dust cap.

Dont want to hear your opinion?, Because you egged my old car multiple times? That is in the past. I hope you guys have grown up abit by now.

Your an audiophile so I wouldn't mind your opinion.

Ill certantly look into going down to Coinslot, However I didnt notice that the tweeters are quiet big. I might scale it down abit to a different set of speakers.

Any other sets, that you know will give me great sound for as little $ as possible?


As said above the morel's get a vote from me too, also have a look at the Polk audio MM6501 splits which are a nice sounding speaker as well, I think you can get a set for around 250 on ebay. I have bought 2 sets of these and for my ears they are better than focal's costing twice as much. I wouldn't bother with the hertz, I don't think they proform that well.

At the end of the day it's about what suits your ears the best. Tonkins in the city have a good range you can have a listen too. Don't buy a speaker untill you have listened to it.

Ill have a look into these!

Dont want to hear your opinion?, Because you egged my old car multiple times? That is in the past. I hope you guys have grown up abit by now.

Your an audiophile so I wouldn't mind your opinion.

Ill certantly look into going down to Coinslot, However I didnt notice that the tweeters are quiet big. I might scale it down abit to a different set of speakers.

Any other sets, that you know will give me great sound for as little $ as possible?

Like I said before, I had nothing to do with it, I wouldn't wish car vandalism on anyone.

Like ive said to many people some proper sound deadening will improve the quality of any splits ten fold. You may spend about $100-$150 on deadening both front doors partially, and its well worth it. This will produce better midrange, midbass and prevent loss of quality due to so much interference from road noise.

http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/article/tutorials/sound_deadening_your_vehicle/

For the littlest $$, perhaps have a listen to some Jaycar 6.5" Kevlar splits, I installed this a couple years ago, not in a Magna however and I was quite impressed from them, the midbass might have not been as heavy as I wanted but the door had no deadening what so ever. The Hertz ESK165's have always and I mean always been a popular choice, they have great midrange to them, good midbass probably the let down from them would be the tweeter, alot of people after hearing a silk dome tweeter would not want anything but them, however Autobarn stock these so they are well worth a listen.

I forgot about Tonkin's surprised they are still around but last time I was there, they seemed to stock some nice gear, for your budget im not sure whether you will be able to get anything from the PS range, this range replaced the Polyglass range and damn to they have good midbass and midrange, once again their let down is the tweeter, its a metal dome and they tend to be a little "bright/harsh" this can be knocked down by a -3db attenuation on the crossover but you loose a bit of detail from them doing it this way. If you can get a set in your price range and can audition them regardless of what people say about them they are a very nice speaker.

Id love the suggest Cresecendo Opus 1's but you would need to custom mount the tweeters so may not be your cup of tea.

Just for the record, Tempo tweeters wont fit in a rada sail. They are 12mm larger than my Focal Tweets that just fit and even mounted on the OEM bracket. ( I've since changed that, enlarged the hole and angled them up )
The Maximo's look a great deal smaller, and need's to be confirmed...

It annoys me to no end, how the manufacturer deems the tweeter size is not worthy of being stated in their specs.

Jakeys has got the Morel Virtus in the tweeter pods tho (By the looks of it ) ( which appear to be the size as the Maxy's )

Obviously glue is easiest but would be permanent. I want to be able to remove them from the sail if I need too.

Glue from a hot glue gun can be removed, from metals, ABS plastics, and even the chopping board that had loads of glue I spilt on it yesterday.

Magna p.i dont mind bad grammer im on the phone because you have your tweeters up high and no deadening or sealing you will get an un balanced sound, so if you get more midbass and midrange from the woofer then you will find some of the harshness will blend and actually sound reasonable. On your x over do you have any negative db attenuation for the tweeter? I've heard your splits can sometimes benefit from -6db however if they don't have that option use the headunit to turn down the treble.

Also I too use hot glue and find it easy to remove

Whippy, it's all well and good to be recommended certain systems from experienced users, which is a good starting point of course.
However I cannot stress how important it is to actually try and audition a range of systems before making a decision if you can. Obviously being recommended something by another user with an appreciation for quality audio systems is advantageous and can put you on the right path, ultimately you are the one who will be parting with the hard earned dollars and having to live with the system you bought.

I understand that head unit, amplifier choice & hearing a system in a display wall isn't the same as a system set up in a car, but at least it gives you an idea as to what the system will sound like. What sounds great to someone else's ears may not be for you.
Personally, I'd rather have a system that is tonaly inclined to my tastes as I'm not keen on radical equalizing.

As a rule I'm not a fan of metal dome tweeters for example, but I love the sound of my front splits despite them being a metal composite dome. If I had just read the specs & seen that they were metal dome tweeters, I probably wouldn't have ever bothered auditioning them.

I do naht like Morel splits, I find the midrange too muddy.. that said they do some outstanding stuff.. one of my favourite tweeters ever are Morel MT-23's for quality vs cost.

Not that I've heard anything DLS in a few years, but I'd still go with DLS because... DLS :)

Just for the record, Tempo tweeters wont fit in a rada sail. They are 12mm larger than my Focal Tweets that just fit and even mounted on the OEM bracket. ( I've since changed that, enlarged the hole and angled them up )
The Maximo's look a great deal smaller, and need's to be confirmed...

It annoys me to no end, how the manufacturer deems the tweeter size is not worthy of being stated in their specs.

Jakeys has got the Morel Virtus in the tweeter pods tho (By the looks of it ) ( which appear to be the size as the Maxy's )

This is correct. I have previously had Morel Maximo and now have Morel Virtus (Which are the replacement for the Dotech Ovation I think, they are approx $600 retail and I know they replaced a model in that range) and the tweeters most definitely do fit in our stock tweeter delta pods. In fact, have a picture!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/149789_10200221817491902_936327419_n.jpg

What I did is double sided tape on the edges which touch the sides, this has mounted it nicely and securely, but can be easily reversed. Previously the installer hot glued the Maximo tweeters, which are the same size, without issue. Hot glue is very easily removed. The fit is really great, perfect for our pods.
As for my review on the Morel Virtus splits, I have read several reviews that state the Virtus are an improvement over the old model (Dotech Ovation I think, or maybe the one below it? Definitely higher than Tempos which were much cheaper) but for me personally they sound really great other than the tweeters are ridiculously bright/loud. Bass and mid is really, really nice and when EQ'd down the highs are really nice too if still slightly sharp. I have been told most people set the crossovers a couple/few db lower to compensate for this. I haven't done that, the installer put the crossover in the doors when they did the wiring/Dynamat and I just lowered the highs on software.

As the SQ guys here will know though, I am having issues with the output on my head unit. The Android software equalisation/spatialisation is really crap, and is hurting my sound pretty majorly. I think I'm not using my Virtus's to anywhere near their full potential, but subjectively, given how amazing they already sound given the right software and song choice, I think with a good sound processor they will be incredible. Definitely on their own merit one of if not the best system I've heard for the price, though I am let down by the source unit's poor sound staging.

For anyone interested, along with the Virtus I also run a single Morel Primo 12" in a closed fibreglass box mounted behind driver side wheel arch, a Mosconi AS 100.4 amplifier, and a Parrot Asteroid Smart Android double DIN head unit. I am considering adding a Mosconi 6to8 digital sound processor into the mix soon.

Thankyou all for all you input with everything!

Ive settled on some Morel Maximo 6's. I was pretty keen to spend abit more, but for $205 shipped, I am pretty damn happy.

I have a friend with these speaker in unsealed / un-deadened doors and they sound great, so I also have a bulk pack of Stinger Roadkill coming, and some diffuser pads too!

So once I fully seal the doors and install these I am sure I'll be quiet happy!

FYI this is the headunit I am currently running, http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/products/reviews/jvc_kd-r926bt_din_cd_tuner/

I got all the gear from Marty from FHRK Studios, he is fantastic to deal with! :)

This is correct. I have previously had Morel Maximo and now have Morel Virtus (Which are the replacement for the Dotech Ovation I think, they are approx $600 retail and I know they replaced a model in that range) and the tweeters most definitely do fit in our stock tweeter delta pods. In fact, have a picture!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/149789_10200221817491902_936327419_n.jpg

What I did is double sided tape on the edges which touch the sides, this has mounted it nicely and securely, but can be easily reversed. Previously the installer hot glued the Maximo tweeters, which are the same size, without issue. Hot glue is very easily removed. The fit is really great, perfect for our pods.
As for my review on the Morel Virtus splits, I have read several reviews that state the Virtus are an improvement over the old model (Dotech Ovation I think, or maybe the one below it? Definitely higher than Tempos which were much cheaper) but for me personally they sound really great other than the tweeters are ridiculously bright/loud. Bass and mid is really, really nice and when EQ'd down the highs are really nice too if still slightly sharp. I have been told most people set the crossovers a couple/few db lower to compensate for this. I haven't done that, the installer put the crossover in the doors when they did the wiring/Dynamat and I just lowered the highs on software.

As the SQ guys here will know though, I am having issues with the output on my head unit. The Android software equalisation/spatialisation is really crap, and is hurting my sound pretty majorly. I think I'm not using my Virtus's to anywhere near their full potential, but subjectively, given how amazing they already sound given the right software and song choice, I think with a good sound processor they will be incredible. Definitely on their own merit one of if not the best system I've heard for the price, though I am let down by the source unit's poor sound staging.

For anyone interested, along with the Virtus I also run a single Morel Primo 12" in a closed fibreglass box mounted behind driver side wheel arch, a Mosconi AS 100.4 amplifier, and a Parrot Asteroid Smart Android double DIN head unit. I am considering adding a Mosconi 6to8 digital sound processor into the mix soon.

Ive always liked your new HU, was considering getting one! But i think ill probably mount a tablet into my car and run that through my HU hiding somewhere (so I can keep my FM functionality)

In the picture above are these the maximo's?

Yep Ive got some sounds deadening coming (1 bulk pack of stinger roadkill). anything you would suggest for doing the front doors? and is there any other areas of the car that I should also cover?

I had a look at the Response ones, they seemed abit cheap?, they used to be reasonable quality. However I think the quality has dropped off a fair bit.

No, the above pictures are the Virtus line, which replace (And are better than) the Hybrid Ovation, according to the press release. Price is about $550-600. However the Maximo and most other Morel tweeters are the same physical size when removed from the housing cup they come with. For front doors, cover all the service holes/anything. Here's what mine looks like (Slightly cleaner now.)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971131_626670814028682_1570722940_n.jpg

Honestly I had Maximos in my old car, undeadened, you will be happy with them. They cost less than a third what my current splits cost (Deadened) and definitely sounded more than a third as good. As for the head unit, I recommend it and honestly for your system it would be fine, but if you get serious/look at upgrading in the future you will want something SQ oriented, hence the processor want.

And yes I too get all my gear from Marty, he is really helpful and very cheap. Except the Mosconi amplifier, he didn't stock them at the time so I went with Ampl Audio for that bad boy, very happily got it at 25% off in a big special they were doing for $700, a steal for what it is.