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peaandham
06-07-2013, 07:14 PM
Hi guys, just after some input for the time being,

I want to fit factory cruise to my TE, but at the same time I wouldn't mind have climate control as I hate the cables for the manual one and the clips that secure it in place.

How much work actually needs to be done besides just swapping the looms? Id imagine motors need to be fitted onto the heater box, etc, but what else?

Thanks.

rush
06-07-2013, 07:39 PM
Im interested in this too mate. I have a TF advance with cruise already.

I want to do climate. Afaik its the dash loom that changes plus fitting the heaterbox etc. Hopefully someone can chime in and help us out.

Do you have power windows??

peaandham
06-07-2013, 08:06 PM
Nope dont have power windows yet, need a newer loom for that as mine does not have the plugs.

lightgoku
06-07-2013, 08:34 PM
im interested in getting climate control in my TE too. I have the factory cruise and recently completed a power window conversion. would like to know everything thats needed.

from my research so far i think for TE/TF the parts will need to come off a KE/KF as i believe the later models the system was different

Danny3.0
07-07-2013, 07:40 AM
I can't help with curise but I just did a climate control install. I swaped over the fan & heater box to verada ones and had retained my original loom and spliced into it. You will need to change the fan speen controler on the middle box to a climate control fan speed controler, fit the light sensor on the dash and run the a wire to the dual pressure switch. If you have the wiring diagram for both manual and auto ac systems its not hard to do. You will need the fan & heater box (alreaddy has servos) control pannel, dash surround, light sensor, outside temp sensor, fan speed controler and part of or the loom if splicing or the hole loom of you can get one. A mate has all the parts for this if you want them.

peaandham
07-07-2013, 08:39 AM
If I did Climate Control first, cruise will/should be an easy addition. Thanks for advice so far, because I wasnt sure whether you could just put the verada motors onto the current TE Manual boxes, but at least I know ill have to swap them.

What is the dual pressure switch and where is it located?

peaandham
08-07-2013, 04:10 PM
So for anyone who has done this before I have a couple of questions.

I will add the outside temp sensor but if I was to bypass the loom and just run a single cable what does it connect to?

As for the dual pressure switch I can see it sitting on top of the condenser but out of the grn/yel and grn/red wire where do I run this wire, to what, and why do I need to do it?

As far as that and replacing the fan speed controller, replacing the fan and heater box will a entire dash loom from a KE/KF be a direct plug in, into my TE Exc?

Thanks in advance.

SH00T
08-07-2013, 04:14 PM
If you can Mail coffee, mcs_xi is completely accustomed to cooperation, cajoled by caffiene....

Danny3.0
08-07-2013, 04:18 PM
You run the 2 wires from the control pannel to the outside temp sensor. Same as the dual pressure switch runs back to the control pannel. I don't think light sensor is a must but I did it anyway. As for a ke loom into a te exc I don't know.

peaandham
08-07-2013, 04:44 PM
I have my manual here and the wiring diagram for the Haynes manual and for the Magna and Verada its seems limited, is there a different one I should be referencing? Im not sure the "control panel" is on here because it does not seem to say it out right, theres no outside temp sensor but the green and yellow wire from the dual switch does go so what they call the belt lock ecu.

This is what im referencing, if anyone could provide a better one that would be greatly appreciated.
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Danny3.0
08-07-2013, 06:05 PM
When I say control pannel I mean the part on the center console with the buttons and screen.

PM me your email and ill send you the diagrams

peaandham
08-07-2013, 06:44 PM
Thats what I mean when I say control panel too, ok pm sent.

peaandham
09-07-2013, 10:18 AM
Found a ke/kf on gumtree for 650 wondering if I buy that and harvest its parts

maggie3.5
09-07-2013, 11:20 AM
Found a ke/kf on gumtree for 650 wondering if I buy that and harvest its parts

If you can afford it ,it would be the best way to do i think...but...realistically,you are probably only after the climate and glass..so .then that makes it expensive

peaandham
09-07-2013, 12:32 PM
Id do climate control, cruise control and power windows then maybe use it for spare parts, I'm awaiting a pm back from mal to let me know whether he still does the cc kits.

Have you done this before Mike? If so how'd you find it?

lightgoku
09-07-2013, 06:08 PM
I ve asked Mal before about a climate control kit. his response was I will need to wait until he can get a KE/KF to wreck for parts

peaandham
09-07-2013, 06:33 PM
I ve asked Mal before about a climate control kit. his response was I will need to wait until he can get a KE/KF to wreck for parts

Thanks for the update bud, Ill still await a response but if I can get this verada cheaper I will try to snatch it up.

scorcher93
09-07-2013, 08:56 PM
Your best bet is indeed to buy a written off Verada and grab parts from it. If I wasn't getting a new car in the near future I'd be going this route, mainly because its the most cost efficient way of getting the upgrades you desire. My original plan for my TH Exec was to find a KH Verada or KJ and get the parts for a front/end loom conversion, giving me power windows, cruise control, climate, amongst little things such as footwell lights/puddle lights.

Not 100% as a) I haven't done this before and b) I am using the planning/logic for a newer TH however; for climate control you should be able to replace the dash loom which will give you the connectors for the CC controller. From there you should be able to run wires to the external temp sensor, and any other sensors/items that won't be connected up (obviously if you do a complete loom swap or atleast a major loom swap you will probably evade most issues as everything will be wired up (the example here is if you only do the dash loom, as far as I know the wiring for a temp sensor will not be present in other looms and as such the wiring in the dash loom will go nowhere, thus you need to complete that bit) The other issue with just doing a dash loom swap is that if you get a verada loom then the looms might not match up (they might but IIRC some looms the wires wont match up due to ABS, TCL, extra wires and etc).

Not much help but baby steps. A good way to establish what you need is to study the service manual (the official Mits one is the best TBH) and work out which wire goes where. for example you could establish that (and I'm not sure if true or not) the sunlight sensor wiring comes out of the CC control, through 2 loom connectors and then there is the sensor. Then you would work out what looms the wires are part of and get all neccessary looms to complete that circuit. But that really only applies to if you are grabbing the looms on the go from a car being wrecked, not a written off/wrecking car that you've purchased whole.

I'm not sure of the issues associated with putting a complete Verada loom set into say an Exec due to the sudden lack of ABS, TCL, SRS, etc ECU's however one would assume that if the main ECU doesn't change then the extra wires won't affect anything.

peaandham
10-07-2013, 05:01 AM
Im led to believe that once the outside temp sensor is wired in and the dual switch is connected, and the heater boxes are swapped out its all pretty much plug and play, can someone please confirm this as I dont want an issue once I get it all back together.

peaandham
10-07-2013, 07:02 PM
However after more of a search it looks like I might have to add a water temp sensor, and a sunlight sensor, can anyone tell me where these are located? Im thinking if I buy the wrecked KE/KF I might aswell just swap the engine bay harness over too, might save messing around with changing wiring.

peaandham
11-07-2013, 03:51 PM
Just picked up a ke xi i think, that will make a good parts car

rush
11-07-2013, 04:24 PM
Just picked up a ke xi i think, that will make a good parts car

You using the power window bits??

peaandham
11-07-2013, 04:58 PM
You using the power window bits??

Yea, the front leather seats are very worn, I need to clean the woodgrain to see how it looks but yea, cc control panel is faded so need to get a newer one, I will probably use as much as possible, if you'd like once ive gotten what I need you can have a suss if you need anything.

rush
11-07-2013, 05:00 PM
Yea, the front leather seats are very worn, I need to clean the woodgrain to see how it looks but yea, cc control panel is faded so need to get a newer one, I will probably use as much as possible, if you'd like once ive gotten what I need you can have a suss if you need anything.

Yeh thatd be great thanks Luke. Im same as you, tossing up about climate and power windows. I already have CC though.

peaandham
11-07-2013, 06:08 PM
Since im taking possession of a full car im probably going to go down the road of swapping all the looms over, so dash looms, engine bay looms, floor looms (which I dont have) this way according the Mal I dont even need to worry about the dual pressure switch.

Also a question on the cruise side of things, ill need the clutch pedal switch, ill try the mitsi wreckers, but what do you think ill be looking at price wise for one of those?

murph03
11-07-2013, 06:08 PM
I have a ke /kf climate unit minus the globes if either of you guys want it

peaandham
11-07-2013, 06:09 PM
I have a ke /kf climate unit minus the globes if either of you guys want it

I might buy that off you if you dont mind Michael, but goes without saying ill wait until I get it working first then ill hit you up about it if you still have it.

NicoXY
11-07-2013, 06:13 PM
If wiring is an issue, I have the full mitsubishi workshop manuals I am happy to put on a cd and send out. Naturally, they're very concise and helpful.

peaandham
11-07-2013, 07:34 PM
If wiring is an issue, I have the full mitsubishi workshop manuals I am happy to put on a cd and send out. Naturally, they're very concise and helpful.

Thanks for the offer bud ill keep that in mind.

I can now confirm that the car is home and its a KF Xi 3.5 Verada, not bad for $450 hey.

NicoXY
11-07-2013, 07:39 PM
Thanks for the offer bud ill keep that in mind.

I can now confirm that the car is home and its a KF Xi 3.5 Verada, not bad for $450 hey.

Nicely done. What are you taking it out of it? Man or Auto?

peaandham
11-07-2013, 08:09 PM
Nicely done. What are you taking it out of it? Man or Auto?

Verada is auto, my TE is 5 speed, I will be taking as many looms as I possibly can to verada-ise it up.

NicoXY
11-07-2013, 08:13 PM
Verada is auto, my TE is 5 speed, I will be taking as many looms as I possibly can to verada-ise it up.

Lucky bugger. I'm doing my head in looking for a 5sp. Ye olde 4 speed is just not cutting the mustard, anymore.

peaandham
13-07-2013, 04:42 PM
Well it has started.
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