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Spetz
21-08-2013, 09:29 PM
My next service is about a month away and I am looking to buy a filter kit (fuel, air, oil) and wondering which one would be best?

These are the different ones I found on eBay:
Kit 1: Sakura air and fuel, Cooper oil filter (these are the only brands I actually recognize)
Kit 2: VP filters (Value Parts)
Kit 3: Wesfil filters
Kit 4: Filtra filters

Any advice is appreciated

MadMax
21-08-2013, 09:40 PM
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel quality wise with those brands. lol

I've been using Ryco filters for the past 40 years, never a problem. Try a local parts shop like Repco.

GQshorty
21-08-2013, 09:41 PM
Wesfil and cooper filters are from the same manufacture by memory. I use their filters on my cars and never had an issue.

Spetz
21-08-2013, 09:42 PM
MadMax, actually I heard that Ryco filters are poor quality?

So, am I better off finding other filters or are one of the ones I listed ok to use?

Edit:
This thread talks about Ryco being poor quality

Edit2:
What brands are suggested?
I see there is OSK, Sunwa, ACDelco, are any of these good (for oil filters)?

MadMax
21-08-2013, 09:50 PM
MadMax, actually I heard that Ryco filters are poor quality?

Like I said, haven't had any problems with them.

Sometimes a "poor quality" judgment means people have had actual failures, other times it means someone doesn't like that brand for whatever reason, like the colour of the cardboard packaging. Hard facts vs opinion. The internet doesn't seem to differentiate between the two.

Actually, most brands are likely to work well, so buy whatever you feel is ok.

shezza
21-08-2013, 10:18 PM
I have had serious fitment problems with Wesfil air filters (as in having to force them in at times) and slight problems with Sakura air filters. Never had an issue fitting Ryco air filters. Quality of material - The wesfil seems to be of cheaper material and the Sakura and Ryco are pretty good.

peaandham
22-08-2013, 07:20 AM
I've been using Ryco filters for the past 40 years, never a problem. Try a local parts shop like Repco.

+1

In my area the coopers and westfil are the cheap and nasty ones that are available.

Ziek
22-08-2013, 07:33 AM
why are people actually over looking genuine oil filters?, these things are actually cheaper then after market, or the same price ( and im serious here, not flaming, I was just wondering if there is a reason to it?)

Brewer
22-08-2013, 07:40 AM
I'd suggest genuine for both air and oil. You wont save much by going non genuine.

MadMax
22-08-2013, 08:20 AM
The fact that the OP has mentioned lots of brands, but not genuine, tends to suggest he has deleted genuine from his shopping list for some reason.
Probably just as easy to go genuine, or at least do some comparative price shopping.

PS. I prefer Ryco, a personal choice thing only, but if not available, Genuine would be my next choice.

HaydenVRX
22-08-2013, 08:48 AM
Don't be scared of ryco, i have many friends that use their oil and air filters and none have ever had a problem. Id say one person in the world has had a bad experience sometime and has uploaded it and it has spread like virtual wildfire that ryco is shit. I won't believe it until someone i know personally has an issue.

Madmagna
22-08-2013, 08:52 AM
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel quality wise with those brands. lol

I've been using Ryco filters for the past 40 years, never a problem. Try a local parts shop like Repco.

Really Max, your knowledge of filter is as outstanding as your knowledge of Magna's

VP is the Mitsubishi Sold and Branded range, so where is the bottom of the barrel there

Sakura are one of the largest filter makers in the world and a hell of a lot of other branded filters are made in this factory in Indonesia as well.

Hayden, I have seen quite a few Ryco fail but then again have seen many others fail as well thus why in the workshop we only use Genuine filters. We sell the Sakura for those who want a cheap filter kit and have used them ourselves for years but as stated for customers cars we use genuine as well as for my own.

Issue in my opinion is that most aftermarket filters these days are multifit thus a Z456 is also a Z411 in our case, the bypass valve inside the filter will not be correct for our car as will be set at the lowest pressure generally

What is funny with these threads is that people will spend 10 grand on a stereo but then want to save $5 on a filter, does really not make any sense to me at all.

Jakeys
22-08-2013, 08:52 AM
I prefer genuine, I'm surprised more people aren't the same given everything I've read suggests genuine is superior, the materials quality on a subjective level seems to be better on gen vs. Ryco (I haven't ever seen any other filter brands) and the price difference was like $5 more for gen vs. Ryco. I've also read Madmagna will only use genuine as well, though it is up to him to confirm if that is the case or not, I certainly can't speak for him but I believe I have seen him post to that effect previously. All that said though, I've just had a 15k interval done by Jon at Driven Motorsport (I just do fluids and filters halfway between and take it somewhere for the book services) who is pretty well known in SA for being top quality, and he used Nulon for fluids (Which afaik is great), Ryco for oil filter and Wesfil for air filter, the latter two of which I admittedly found a little surprising. Given his most common customer cars are Evolutions, I'm guessing it's a fairly inconsequential difference for us Magna & Verada folk either way, but still, when gen is only like $5 more last I did my own oil, I'd rather do it just for that peace of mind. $5 every 7500km is nothing.

tl;dr: I don't always do my oil changes but when I do, I use genuine.

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crackajnr
22-08-2013, 08:53 AM
The fact that the OP has mentioned lots of brands, but not genuine, tends to suggest he has deleted genuine from his shopping list for some reason.
Probably just as easy to go genuine, or at least do some comparative price shopping.

PS. I prefer Ryco, a personal choice thing only, but if not available, Genuine would be my next choice.

VP are sold as genuine .

MadMax
22-08-2013, 09:11 AM
VP are sold as genuine .

Yes, good point. I forgot VP was a Mitsu line.

Well, the OP now has a full range of opinions from everyone, so he is now in a better position to decide for himself.

(I'm happy no one mentioned FRAM or STP filters. lol)

Spetz
22-08-2013, 09:38 AM
I don't know the genuine prices but was expecting they would be considerably more. I'll go past the dealership before buying any filters though to see.
If the VP filters are the genuine Mitsubishi line, why are people still saying to go genuine though?

And what are the intervals for the fuel and air filter?
And if I put some injector cleaner before the service, is it a good idea to put the new fuel filter before running the injector cleaner?

Madmagna
22-08-2013, 09:47 AM
Jakeys, in our general service lines we use Genuine Oil and VS air and fuel. Nothing wrong with the VS oil but we simply dont bother to stock them as I buy oil filters in boxes of 50 at a time and only have so much room

In the workshop we fit as above however we have many customers who get filters and oil from us and always want the cheapest so Sakura is the cheapest I am comfortable in selling.

OP, just get Genuine Oil and VS range for the rest or Sakura for the rest for that matter as the air filter is pretty much the same in most brands these days, fuel filters I have never had one give me issues is just the oil filters I get wary of.

Forget the injector cleaner, if you want clean injectors get them cleaned, bottle in the tank aside from moving perhaps some moisture will do SFA

Spetz
22-08-2013, 10:48 AM
MadMagna, some injector cleaners claim they'll clean carbon deposits from the piston tops, valves etc. Is there any truth to this?

Jakeys
22-08-2013, 10:53 AM
I don't know the genuine prices but was expecting they would be considerably more. I'll go past the dealership before buying any filters though to see.
If the VP filters are the genuine Mitsubishi line, why are people still saying to go genuine though?

And what are the intervals for the fuel and air filter?
And if I put some injector cleaner before the service, is it a good idea to put the new fuel filter before running the injector cleaner?

They aren't. I believe I picked gen oil filter up directly from the dealership for under $20. Might have been slightly over, don't really remember tbh but I do remember the difference was insignificant, roughly $5.
I didn't know VP was same as genuine (Hadn't even heard of VP til this thread), might as well go for that then if you can find it cheaper since it's the same unless you're worried people will think you're cheap for using non genuine haha! :P

Madmagna
22-08-2013, 12:06 PM
Ok, The Value Parts Select is a range Mits have launched for several more common parts as well as filters. These are parts which are not exactly the same as the Genuine units but as far as Mitsubishi are concerned are of equal quality

For example the Genuine Oil Filter is a MD325627, the VS range is a VS000416 They look similar but you can tell they come from a different manufacturer. The parts are Australian only and are not available anywhere else thus I would assume are a MMAL thing only. Given that they are sold by dealers all over Australia I would take it that Mitsubishi would back these products. They do all sorts of parts and a lot of the parts you can see the Dayco or similar branding on these parts however they come in a plain white box with Mitsubishi Value Select printed on it. Hope that clears that up a bit

As for a product you stick in your tank, they can claim all sorts of things but then again Peter Brock had is little gadget which was meant to get you 5% more power and 10% more economy, just because they claim it does not make it true. If you have a look at the solutions used in real injector cleaners you will soon see why a poofteenth of product in a 70l fuel tank will do SFA.

steve_bunkle
22-08-2013, 04:46 PM
I've been using VS oil filters in our family's cars (2 Magnas and 2 380s) and have been no problem. Bought sets of 10 off an EBay seller a couple of years back ($7 each). Not sure if they can still be bought for that price.

HaydenVRX
22-08-2013, 05:06 PM
Its not the price that stops peoplr using genuine, I have nowhere to get them. So ryco go well ;)

johnvirus_01
22-08-2013, 05:07 PM
Ok, The Value Parts Select is a range Mits have launched for several more common parts as well as filters. These are parts which are not exactly the same as the Genuine units but as far as Mitsubishi are concerned are of equal quality

For example the Genuine Oil Filter is a MD325627, the VS range is a VS000416 They look similar but you can tell they come from a different manufacturer. The parts are Australian only and are not available anywhere else thus I would assume are a MMAL thing only. Given that they are sold by dealers all over Australia I would take it that Mitsubishi would back these products. They do all sorts of parts and a lot of the parts you can see the Dayco or similar branding on these parts however they come in a plain white box with Mitsubishi Value Select printed on it. Hope that clears that up a bit

As for a product you stick in your tank, they can claim all sorts of things but then again Peter Brock had is little gadget which was meant to get you 5% more power and 10% more economy, just because they claim it does not make it true. If you have a look at the solutions used in real injector cleaners you will soon see why a poofteenth of product in a 70l fuel tank will do SFA.
^^this

To the op just get a genuine filer.the value selection is a cheaper alternative but not inferior.as they make a few sizes and they have a common part no(e.g z9) our used car department uses them.the value selection range expands into air filters,brake pads,timing belt kits and more.

And mal genuine is MD352627,the sump washer i dont remember but it is a rubber type oring for magna's,metal one (MD050317) for 380's

ammerty
22-08-2013, 06:30 PM
I use ACDelco oil filters (for convenience mainly, as I worked for Holden at the time and bought them cheaply), and haven't had any issues with them in the 50k I have used them in the Magna. Although my supply is almost dry, and I'll have to use my stash of Phoenix filters.

As for VP parts, my timing belt kit, water pump kit, and drivebelts were VP items, and I have also used VP air/oil/fuel filters in the Magna in the past which are fine. Sure, they're cheaper and possibly different supplier than retail OEM, but they would also, assumedly, carry a warranty through MMAL should any unlikely problems arise.

Madmagna
22-08-2013, 07:25 PM
Oh sorry Johny, so I made a typo, not that it makes any difference

As for this topic I think it has run its course.

If you want quality use Genuine, if you want something reasonable go aftermarket, your choice really