I remember reading here that the Maximo tweeters fit perfect into the sail area of 3rd gens with stock tweeters, and the Tempo being a bit large.
Is it possible to fit the Tempo tweeters in the stock sail area?

And, I read the manuals for these components (6.5") and the Tempo has attenuation, but it only has 0db and +3db.
Does this make the Maximo which has no attenuation set at 0db?

You would probably have to wait till Shoot chimes in about the size of the tweeter as I think he may have looked into more than I have.

Yes the Maximo's would be set a 0db which is basically "flat".

I heard the Maximos are a bit high, and was recommended to go for the Tempos on the basis that they have tweeter attenuation, but do they really as the adjustment is either 0db or +3db?

I think if memory serves me right Jakey had these as well?

I can recomend the Tempo's. Shoot purchased me a pair of them about 6 months ago and I will never waste my money on any thing less of quality again. As for the tweeters I seem to recall Shoot saying that we can manage something to get them in with a dremmel and a hotglue gun but no they will not just go straight in like that

I heard the Maximos are a bit high, and was recommended to go for the Tempos on the basis that they have tweeter attenuation, but do they really as the adjustment is either 0db or +3db?

I think if memory serves me right Jakey had these as well?

Just remember a treble/tre or xover adjustment on a headunit will help knock some of that brightness off.

I had Maximos, they fit fine and sounded good. I also have Virtuses now (Above Tempo) and they fit fine and sound good there, although even set to -2db they are oddly, overbearingly bright, which I think I need a sound processor next to fix as I prefer a warmer sound.
Assuming Tempos, being better than Maximo but worse than Virtus, are the same size, they will fit yes. I just double sided my installs in there, they fit snugly, bit of adhesive tape and you are golden.

From the manuals it seems the Tempo tweeter voice coil is 28mm compared to the Maximo voice coil of 25mm. So the fit should be different?

Is it possible to put some inline resistor to attenuate the tweeters?

Check what the Virtus should be, they fit quite easily. There should be enough margin in there for a few mm though, I think.

For the resistor, yeah theoretically but I would rather get a proper EQ anyway to deal with other issues I am having. I think it just needs to be tuned to my ear, a lot of people have said it sounds okay, some people outright reckon it's amazing, I don't really like it at all, I find it is quite harsh to listen to. However, I seem to be extremely critical of car systems, I reckon the happiest I was with a system in a car was my Maximos in 1.0 and also another SA member who had a very simple Maximo setup. I'm sure there is a reason for that, I'd love to know what it is. I have Audioengine A5's and an Audioengine S8 running off a vacuum tube DAC at home and it absolutely decimates my car system for a quarter of the price, I would be ecstatic if I could make my car sound like my house, though I realise the limit is most probably just the fact I'm in a car cabin and it's really not ideal.

EDIT: Although I will say while it is really bright and harsh to listen to, almost to the point of discomfort, the clarity on the highs is ****ing out of this world. On some songs it's downright incredible how clear and sparkly it can reproduce hihats and shit of that nature.

Couple of thing I can add, The tweeter size for the morels could well be correct, but I don't think it caters for the housing/surround of the tweeter itself, I'm pretty sure, so they are a little bigger than stated in the manual, which needs more info, definitely.

Secondly, car audio tuning can be a real pain by ear, but I was put onto the audiotool app. This works a hell of a lot better on the Ipad, than it does my Galaxy phone, as the hardware ( not the Mic.) is attenuated so the freq below 200 hz are not accurate in the slightest on the Samsung.

The app cost 8 bucks, ( playstore and iTunes ) but can give you a real idea of what is going on... Its well worth money IMO.... ( and no I wont give you refund if you don't like it)
So you play some pink noise on the deck, and start the app, then you might look up, say, a house curve.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iaudiotool/id580740399?mt=8

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.julian.apps.AudioTool&hl=en

Here's an Ipad screen shot...( of a somewhat Bassy tune )

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/photo.png

I can get a measurement of the morel tempo tweets if you like, but they are huge...And I'll have to wait til the 380 gets back tonite... :(

Tempo Tweets are about 45mm across, thats huge, but they do come with with a comprehensive mount kit.
With a dremel rounding out a set of sails, I've had my (old ;) ) focal tweets in them, secured with hot glue, and they are 41-42mm, there's not much chance of getting a bigger unit in there, they pushed the absolute limits....

Sorry to drag up an old thread. Could you run the morel maximo splits off the factory edition ralliart eclipse HU?

Also where do you mount the splitter boxes or whatever they are called.

Im not much of a stereo guru

Ive installed the ralliart edition eclipse HU and stacker and also some alpine 6x9s but no upgrades to the front speakers yet.

Some advice would be great

I can recomend the Tempo's. Shoot purchased me a pair of them about 6 months ago and I will never waste my money on any thing less of quality again. As for the tweeters I seem to recall Shoot saying that we can manage something to get them in with a dremmel and a hotglue gun but no they will not just go straight in like that

Hi everyone,
I had the Tempos installed in my 2006 LS and they fitted perfectly. Actually the sound qaulity is superb and I wouldn't exchange them for any others.
Cheers

Well I picked up a set of Maximo's for $150 (brand new local seller) so they will do I guess. Not top of the range but better than what I have (stock)

Have also found an original Eclipse EQ/DSP that was an add on to the Eclipse CD5441 HU (Fitted in the Ralliarts) so will install that as well to give me more sound tuning options. (I have this along with the stacker in my VRX)

Hi everyone,
I had the Tempos installed in my 2006 LS and they fitted perfectly. Actually the sound qaulity is superb and I wouldn't exchange them for any others.
Cheers

Do you mean the tweeters in the sail area or the woofers in the doors?

Hi everyone,
I had the Tempos installed in my 2006 LS and they fitted perfectly. Actually the sound qaulity is superb and I wouldn't exchange them for any others.
Cheers

Out of curiosity, did you have the tweeters fitted in stock/dash locations or elsewhere?

Not sure about those guys, but after hearing Tweeters in the stock positions, Both stock and aftermarket in several 380's, Exposed Tweeter sound a lot better in Detail and clarity. Kif has exposed tweeter and his are great, they are in a different position to mine tho...
This is the mounting kit you get for the tweeter in the Tempo Kit, as you can see by the Dash carpet, I have done a fair amount of testing...
Tempo Tweeters
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/Audio%20Mods/20130504_171507.jpg
An MDF ring was required for the door position..

Didn't require much EQ'ing either, I used the attenuator on the Morels, and the EQ is mostly flat, up +1 @ 80-300 Hz, -1 at 3kz, +1 @ 8kz and 12Khz, (Roughly) I haven't done a spectrum Test for flaws in the speaker positions, speakers, environment etc, but it is quite enjoyable. With no annoying Frequencies.. High passed at 63Hz as I Run a 10" Sub... These are a much easier fit in a 380 than a Magna..

Thanks Shoot... I have tweeters mounted in stock locations now, contemplating surface mounting them above the factory tweeter covers for improved clarity, rather than in the doors where you have them. Did you try alternate positions?

It was more of experience thing, on axis tweeters sound good when fired at the opposing Bpillar, near or at the top of the seatbelt anchor point. It's pretty much the same as most of the two way SQ cars in Queensland, plus in that position, they receive the most shade.. Normally its better the higher up they go as to clear the dash, but then they would block vision and see more sun, but I like them there. And they are very easy to install there too.. The Pillar comes of real easy, and is easily/cheaply replaced.

Red Valdez heard the setup, so if want an outside opinion, send him a PM, I may or may not have played with his 380 audio system at the time....

It was more of experience thing, on axis tweeters sound good when fired at the opposing Bpillar, near or at the top of the seatbelt anchor point. It's pretty much the same as most of the two way SQ cars in Queensland, plus in that position, they receive the most shade.. Normally its better the higher up they go as to clear the dash, but then they would block vision and see more sun, but I like them there. And they are very easy to install there too.. The Pillar comes of real easy, and is easily/cheaply replaced.

Red Valdez heard the setup, so if want an outside opinion, send him a PM, I may or may not have played with his 380 audio system at the time....

That's fine, was just trying to see whether you had explored other mounting options when you fitted yours. I plan to do some experimenting over the w/e with this, one of the things I noticed when I had my component set fitted was the improved / more transparent top end, but also a loss of detail compared to the previous car I had them fitted in, where they were mounted in factory sail panels.

I try not to have anything between the speaker and my ear, well, Try, the morels have there own Grills, but I wouldnt put 'another' grill over the top of that tweeter. I also removed the plastic grill in the Sail covers in my Magna. But car audio is different, speakers sound different in different cars, at different heights, angles, with different plastics, seats ( leather or cloth ) door strength, the list goes on...
I had contemplated custom A pillars, but with the setup costs, plus about 20 hours invested in the first pair you make, (the next set gets easier I'd imagine) this option was OK for me, ideal location etc, and it took about 20 mins.. Wether you like the look of them, tha'ts a personal matter... If you were around the corner, I'd be happy to demo them, but, have fun playing with the setup.

So despite 42 degree weather in Adelaide, found some time to relocate tweeters as below (terrible quality pic):
http://i58.tinypic.com/23kszuw.jpg

First impressions are improved clarity and detail without any other negative side effects (to my ears at least). The stock tweeter grille's were only lightly modified - but I used a spare set anyway so that I could return everything to stock. Tweeters just cleared the window glass!

That's one great thing about those speakers, they sure give plenty of mounting options....

So, they've been in a few days now, how is the sound?

The original idea of this thread was being able to mount tweeters in stock locations so they are not visible and there is no sign of aftermarket speakers (or even audio)

Oh yeah good point, Jakeys stated had the Maximos tweets in the verada sail . But the Tempo's would have to sit in the upper dash holes which might present a few clarity/reflection issues..
Sorry didnt know you wanted to hide it, just thought you wanted it easy to fit... The OP mentioned stock positions, but not the reason why. I also found the Manuals lacking a lot of detail. yes the voice coil sizes are there, but not the overalls. ( Which I went and measured the tempo's )

Can I ask? Have you fitted anything yet...

I also still have the Virtus tweeters in the stock Verada tweeter sails too, remember. Very strong highs though.

So the Tempo tweeters fit in the sail area of Veradas?

Shoot, I have almost completed my audio system (HU, 5 channel amp and 12" subwoofer in a custom box). All that is remaining is the speakers but it's imperative that they (along with the rest of the audio system) do not show

So the Tempo tweeters fit in the sail area of Veradas?

I don't know. I can 100% confirm from experience that the Maximo and Virtus do both fit. The Maximo is lower specced than your Tempos and my Virtus are higher specced so theoretically the Tempos would fit, but I've never owned them so can't confirm for sure.

I trid a few at the store today, but the Tempos weren't in... The one I did try which matched the spec hung out the back a lot, and most of the tweeter was blocked by the small hole in the sail pod...

Jakey's M120 (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100632&p=1575004&viewfull=1#post1575004) looks to fit a whole lot better than the one I played with, but drop into a dealer and see what fit fits yourself, there a some changes to the lineup this year too, so it's getting pretty hard... Hope you have a dealer near you, but the speakers are creating quite a following and the retailer list is growing..

I don't know. I can 100% confirm from experience that the Maximo and Virtus do both fit. The Maximo is lower specced than your Tempos and my Virtus are higher specced so theoretically the Tempos would fit, but I've never owned them so can't confirm for sure.

I haven't bought the splits yet. I want the Tempos but if the tweeter does not fit I will be forced to go with the Maximos

Well I couldnt easily get my tweeter out of the 380.. but these are 2013 range Tempo along side the sail pod...
It aint happening...

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/Audio%20Mods/unnamed.jpg

You can't pull the actual tweeter out from in that grille/surround? I believe mine came like that too. Although the surface area looks like it might be bigger than my tweeter, possibly. Mine is just barely larger than the surface of the standard grille from memory.

Yeah, I linked to pic you had in post 29. The black tempo grill is the the same size as the tweeter tho..

Update - Used a random dentistry tool to pull the tweets out, without grill, and I even popped the grill off the verada tweets so you can see the exposed tweeter..
Do they fit - Kinda, Actually fit Yes.. align without blocking a substantial part of the tweet No.. with the Morel grill off obviously.. I have pics with the grill on, but it hands so far out the back, you wont clip it on.. They can hang out the back a little and still fit though...
Would i recommend em - heartily No, but sacrifices would be made with any set, it would probably sound better than than a smaller metal tweet. And that sweet midbass....
Would he get away with it - Yes, Yes he will... There are far worse thing you could do in car audio.. and it will look stock...

Pics along soon.. Bit slow ATM, I'm uploading a Midbass excursion Video...

Love a touch creen DSLR with a swinging display and Touch to Capture....

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/IMG_5310.jpg

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/IMG_5312.jpg

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/IMG_5311.jpg

Those are the Temp tweeters in there?
But you say the sail won't actually clip into the door properly?

How much of a sound quality difference is there between the Tempo splits and Maximo splits?
And, would it be a good/bad idea to install the Tempo tweeters in the 3rd gen dash where the stock midrange is?

Those are Tempo Splits in the there.

Yes, You could get that to clip in sail area, it wont line up 100%, but I'ts a guess of mine that hardly anything will that size.. You'll also have to remove the OEM tweeter mount ( only if you have it already ) and hotglue the tweet in there...

As Speakers go up in Range, tweets get better, materials get better, and Mids get better too.. The crossover adds more features as well... ( Things like midbass capability increase along the way as well...) So yes SQ increases as you move up models, but morel have the same sound character throughout the range, if you have a problem with brightness, it more about the location installation and tuning, than the morels being harsh, as they are not. ( unless you have an issue somewhere else..)

The two tweeter placements in previous pictures will suffer less reflection and clarity issues than a set in the top of the dash. Verada pods are a blessing for us, as they assist in height, staging, width and clarity for music. They are a very good position for a stock tweeter mount..

Mate, even though those tweeters dont line up 100%, dont bother about what I said about recommending them. There would be only a handful of guys that would modify the sail mount to accommodate the size of these tweeters, most would throw them in and be really happy...
Competing at State and National level kind of raise the standards of car audio, or what you thought could be achieved...

Want an idea of how good SQ cars can sound. Get your butt along to this...
http://www.caraudio.com.au/forums/index.php/topic/571059-assc-act-car-audio-competition-audiotech-tuggeranong-sponsored-by-rockford-fosgate/
There will be Big Bass cars there, but try and get a listen to some SQ cars tho...

Thanks Shoot, though sadly I won't be able to attend that competition :(

I didn't quite understand from your post, would the sound be fine if I mounted the Tempo tweeters in place of the Verada midrange speakers? I don't mean on top, but rather inside to maintain OEM looks?

And, given the choice of Maximo splits with the tweeter in the door sail area, or Tempo tweeters with the tweeters in the stock midrange (dash) position, which would you choose?

I have been thinking about this, and I'm going to try install a set of morel tweets in the sail pods, and compare them to the a temp mount in the dash position... I think the morels not lined up well in the sail pods, still might be better than the tweeters in the dash, I'm just teeing it up now....

In the meantime you can read this, http://www.caraudio.com.au/content/affordable-6.5-two-way-components-review/
so if you want to save coin, the maximo's do their job, as well saving you coin.. ( but I did score a really good deal on the last I got for Tania. ) I wont repeat the price, but is too good to pass up....

Thanks for the link Shoot, I will read it now.
I'd be more interested in a comparison between the Maximo 6 and Tempo 6 as these are the only two contenders for me.
My subwoofer is a Ultimo SC 12 so I want the Tempo splits, but I am unwilling to have a non-OEM fitting audio system

Yeah, I can understand that you want the Stock look, no drama's with that... I've not read any reveiws of the Tempo's, I picked up a set ( Tempo 6x9 ) on sale for the 380 rears, which I wouldnt really worry about myself, but the missus wanted then so.... But I did get to listen to them on a board, next to Alpines, Audisons, Hertz and few others, The sound for the price was awesome... Smooth and detailed... Now they have the new model Tempo with midwoofer improvements.. But finding a dealer is a real PITA...
. The guys I bought mine from dropped them, but the new Auto1 in Browns Plains up here is stocking them, wether they have the new tempo or not, I'm not sure yet, but the tweet remains the same....

Have you fitted the SC12 yet, how much power do you have on tap, they love a bit of power, that 5n1/4" voice coil soaks it up easily, I have one, peaandham has one, and there's probably a couple more out there as well, but wow, can it play low or what... I have been tempted to drop a morel woofer in the 380, ( all Morel) it wont be the ultimo, I only have 500RMS to play with...

I should be fitting those tweets this week to a TJ, and there will be another set of ears there as well, so I'll be sure to give you some feedback from both of us, BTW what kind of music will you listening to...???????

I went through FHRX Studios for my audio gear. Marty has always given me plenty of his time and advice, and his prices are very reasonable and include shipping. He's an official Morel dealer so you can always order via him and not worry if the product is non genuine.

The SC12 certainly sounds great. At first I was planning on spending about $400 on a sub and amp combo. I spent much more than I budgeted on an SC12 and a Hertz HDP5 amp but as soon as I heard the subwoofer I had no regrets. Quality is phenomenal. I have a custom built 33L sealed box.
The Ultimo is 2 ohm and I think the HDP5 puts out 600ish WRMS to the sub.

At the moment I listen to Trap music (bass heavy electronic style) but usually I listen to minimal techno and somewhat infrequently I listen to darkstep.

My biggest issue with the Maximos is that there is no tweeter attenuation

Well then put the tweeter in the kick panels, you'll be happy with it there.

Quite often that annoying edginess that gets up people goat I'd the 2-3 range. It's hard to tell generally without an RTA. But it's good place to start if you don't have access to one. But any apple smart device and iaudiotool app will spell it out for you.

Between 2 and 5khz is the most sensitive to human ears, so if it were me Id start there.

Sorry guys if I'm covering something that's obvious, but if I just mount the morel maximo tweeters to the sail area (i have a solara so it has no oem tweeter) will this be fine?

Like so (I realise this is a 380)

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/Audio%20Mods/20130504_171507.jpg


Is there any advantage in buying the oem tweeter mounts other then aesthetics?

Also I'm guessing the sail is the best location over these two (to get them high up closer to the driver?)

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46927

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/wilson339/IMAG0647.jpg

The dash holes are better than the sails.

The main idea is to reduce PLD's, basically these need to be within 30cm's.

So you measure from where your ears normally are to each speaker, measure the distance to both speakers, ideally the closest you can get them to being the same distance from your ears the better. Thats where I would start.

The dash holes are better than the sails.

The main idea is to reduce PLD's, basically these need to be within 30cm's.

So you measure from where your ears normally are to each speaker, measure the distance to both speakers, ideally the closest you can get them to being the same distance from your ears the better. Thats where I would start.

OK cool thanks for your feedback!

So just mount the tweeters firing directly up towards the windscreen, or should the tweeter be kicked up a bit at an angle firing towards the driver?