First time thread for V4Value! I just bought a 2003 Verada Xi, love the value you get for $7100!! It's the dark silver exterior with 2 tone grey interior, woodgrain console, leather, sunroof etc. I just added a set of CSA Savanah 18" rims with 40/235 low profiles. I am now wanting a lower stance, any negatives or postives with lowering?

Only real negatives are your usual fouling issues with guards and speed bumps.

Disturbing picture!!!.....all good Wiggles lol.....so, I lowered my prev ZV Calais & ride was cool, but the Verada suspension setup is different?

LOL, took me a while to work out when that was. Didn't know it even came onto fb!

Back on track, the verada has McPherson strut setup(coil over spring) front and back. I've had lowered sedans and the only issue is clearing the rear guards most often then not. Depends on your offset

So what did u notice with the ride when u lowered your machine Wiggles?....with the Calais steering was a bit heavier, cornering had less body roll with the wider tread & bumps was not really an issue...in other words, steering & ride felt better :) ........Mistsubishi service centre guy suggests ride may be harsh??

As a general rule, lows springs (King, Dobinson etc) are a little lower, little less comfort, little more cornering ability. Superlows are a lot lower, a lot less comfort and not much more than low cornering ability. Anything stupid like cut springs or other nonsense is a recipe for stupidity.

You can also go coilovers which are the ultimate level of low and performance and fully adjustable, however quite a lot less comfortable over bumps, though not as bad as superlows, you don't bottom out, they are just a lot firmer as they are meant for performance cars. I have coilovers myself and I rate them extremely highly as the performance and aesthetic increase is well worth the comfort tradeoff to me, but if you're not interested in "slamming" your car or making it feel like a giant go kart, I don't think they are for you.

This is a couple pics of my car on coilovers for reference. This is lower than superlows, marginally. Also, I have a custom rear camber kit as well, if you lower your car more than lows you will require this to avoid a big increase in tyre wear from increased negative camber. (This gets complex, you may want to research this if you're going down the proper low route.)

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Oh, also, regarding an earlier post about fouling the rear bar, you won't. Your front bar and specifically your tow hooks and splash guard will foul long before the rest of your car will. You'll need to learn to drive to adapt to that, I only occasionally scrape my tow hooks now, my rear has never scraped, nor has my exhaust, and even my side skirts (Which are a lot bigger than yours) don't scrape. Veradas seem to only have front clearance issues when lowered, in my experience.

Hi there, be gentle its my first reply - I have a 2003 TJ AWD lowered on Pedders Springs and Shocks........the ride is utter crap, smashes the bump stops over the tinniest bump. They simply have no rebound at all. What do you guys suggest fitting, I don't want to go down the road via coliovers....

Madmal

Hi there, be gentle its my first reply - I have a 2003 TJ AWD lowered on Pedders Springs and Shocks........the ride is utter crap, smashes the bump stops over the tinniest bump. They simply have no rebound at all. What do you guys suggest fitting, I don't want to go down the road via coliovers....

Madmal

Check the condition of your bump stops. Chances are they're non-existent.

Check the condition of your bump stops. Chances are they're non-existent.
Yeah agreed, I destroyed the bump stops in my FWD TJ within 50,000km of lowering mine.

Pedders gear has a reputation for being harsh though. If you were willing to spend the cash some better quality springs and shocks (Dobinsons and Boge would be my suggestion) with new bump stops would probably help.

I had King Lows on my FWD TJ and found them ok, but the ride/handling did deteriorate with passengers - the spring rate was a bit on the soft side for their height. I don't think they're suitable for an AWD because of the extra weight.

I found the peddars lows to be fine on my Boge/Sach shocks.

Really V4Value!, if you want to just throw the suspension in and not worry about it again, get the sach/dobsinon combo. Yes coilovers are fully adjustable, but if your not going to bother with changing them there's no real point. The sach shocks are wonders for their price(Around $550 give or take)

Because of the extra weight in the AWDs compared to the FWDs (around 120-150kg), they will ride lower than an FWD by 10-15mm on the same springs. I personally wouldn't recommend anything lower than King SP (30mm nominal drop) or equivalent springs in an AWD. Lowering can also be harder on CV joints too.

Thanks for heads up folks, I will have a chat with the mechanic, to check the stops etc......a bit scary as it would P... me off ride really harsh.....nervous V4Value!!!!!!!!!

Guys thanks.......the bump stops had destroyed themselves but it feels like there is no rebound in the strut. They look new however Pedders ain't really interested in helping.

Regarding Dobinson did you use their springs/struts or just springs only?

Mal

Suggested replacement brand of bump stop?

Also Jackeys can you provide any more information on your rear camber mod?

Madmal

Pretty much any brand of bump stop will do the job. Some shock absorbers come with them attached (my Selbys did anyway).
Mitsfix sells KYB-branded ones on eBay if you're only chasing bump-stops alone. You can't go too far wrong with them.

Guys thanks.......the bump stops had destroyed themselves but it feels like there is no rebound in the strut. They look new however Pedders ain't really interested in helping.

Regarding Dobinson did you use their springs/struts or just springs only?

Mal

Dobinsons do springs only. Them with Boge shocks are the best combo to have, I had this combo before going coilovers, and, if I ever go back to standard, I'll be going back to that combo.

The Verada was lowered on weekend with low springs from Peddars & end result is a great ride! I know some of you thinl Peddars as cheapies etc, but ride is still suple with better handling & feel. Thanks to Jakey's with advice. I have another question, & excuse my ignorance....does the KL Verada Xi inc a subwoofer with speaker package? :)

Also Jackeys can you provide any more information on your rear camber mod?

It's Jake. :P

Yeah so we just used custom longer bolts and high tensile steel spacers, I can't remember the exact specs, there should be a thread somewhere on the forum about our run plus it's been done in the past. So try searching, something useful should definitely turn up from this year, and older threads. You can also buy a Whiteline kit if you're a bit worried about getting the specs wrong but it's many times more expensive. (Like somewhere in the range of $100 for that option.)


The Verada was lowered on weekend with low springs from Peddars & end result is a great ride! I know some of you thinl Peddars as cheapies etc, but ride is still suple with better handling & feel. Thanks to Jakey's with advice. I have another question, & excuse my ignorance....does the KL Verada Xi inc a subwoofer with speaker package? :)

It does not, I don't think. Overseas Diamantes had them in the parcel shelf but I don't know if our cars actually support that kind of install or not, mine has the shape for where it would go but I did what many do and did a more conventional boot install. You can see pictures and details of my install somewhere in my ride thread, plus there is an old thread with photos of other installs somewhere around this place.

V4Valie!, PM Murph03 about getting camber corrected. He works at Beaurepaires at Edwardstown. That is where the majority of us got our camber sorted out.

BTW, how much did your lowering cost and what springs and shocks were used and which store?

As for subwoofers, I posted in your other thread and to confirm Jackeys, even my old KS had the hole in the centre of the rear parcel metal for subwoofers.

Cheers,
Vlad

and to confirm Jackeys

It's not hard people. :(

Not having a go at you. Just reassuring V4Value :)

Not having a go at you. Just reassuring V4Value :)

I'm not sure how that related to getting my name wrong, ya bastards. ;)

Because of the extra weight in the AWDs compared to the FWDs (around 120-150kg), they will ride lower than an FWD by 10-15mm on the same springs. I personally wouldn't recommend anything lower than King SP (30mm nominal drop) or equivalent springs in an AWD. Lowering can also be harder on CV joints too.
Actually, I've carefully measured numerous FWD and AWD ride heights and have found them to be within 5mm for a given model. FWD and AWD VRXs, though, ride about 20mm lower than 'ordinary' Magnas.

Actually, I've carefully measured numerous FWD and AWD ride heights and have found them to be within 5mm for a given model. FWD and AWD VRXs, though, ride about 20mm lower than 'ordinary' Magnas.

The original specification was 15mm lower for VR-X, Sports and GTV models.

The original specification was 15mm lower for VR-X, Sports and GTV models.
I'm curious - where did you find those specs? The TH-TL manual you can download from this site, together with my TW manual, say the minimum running ground clearance for a FWD TL/TW Magna ES or LS sedan is 158mm, but for a TJ Ralliart it's 110mm, whilst it's 165mm for all TH-TW other models, regardless of FWD or AWD, Sedan or Wagon, including the equivalent Veradas... The measurements I've made say otherwise, as apparently do the specs to which you refer.

Because of the extra weight in the AWDs compared to the FWDs (around 120-150kg), they will ride lower than an FWD by 10-15mm on the same springs. I personally wouldn't recommend anything lower than King SP (30mm nominal drop) or equivalent springs in an AWD. Lowering can also be harder on CV joints too.
Actually, I've carefully measured numerous FWD and AWD ride heights and have found them to be within 5mm for a given model. FWD and AWD VRXs, though, ride about 20mm lower than 'ordinary' Magnas.
I was referring to after market springs, which are all only a single design from each manufacturer (custom springs notwithstanding) unlike the factory springs which are (usually) designed for each specific application. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

I was referring to after market springs, which are all only a single design from each manufacturer (custom springs notwithstanding) unlike the factory springs which are (usually) designed for each specific application. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Fair enough. FWIW, I've fitted a set of Lovell CFR-31 (front) and CRR-40 (rear) springs to my VRX to raise it (I tow a caravan & have done a fair bit of towing on dirt roads). According to the Lovell catalogue, these raise a standard Magna 20mm.

I'm taking my 2 year old King Springs (SPs rear & Lows in the front) out of my AWD verada. Replacing them with Dobinsons VRX Heavy Duty lows (around 30mm drop from standard & 25% stiffer). I find the Kings too soft for me & they tend to hit the front bump stops over harsh bumps.

Enough members here tend to give the Dobinsons lows Heavy Duty the big thumbs up so I've ordered a set of these from Dobinsons and I'll see how these go.

How much are they and what shocks are you using?

Cheers,
Vlad

@ vlad, $207 per pair ($414 for a set) plus freight & for shocks I'm using KYB Excel Gs which I'm keeping. I should have them by the end of this week & fitted next week. I'll give them a few week to settle & get the new tyres fitted then I'll offer my opinion on how these perform.

Fitted the dobinsons and honestly, I'm finding these so much better than the kings. I'm just having to get used to the taller stance, though a set of new 245 40 18's do a pretty good job of filling out the guards. ;)

**update** - now the Dobinsons have settled, they have dropped nicely and ride/handles much better than the kings. No clearance issues with the 245/40 18s either.

When it's time for new shocks, I'll go either Boge or possibly Konis