I was given a Pioneer DEH-P5650MP by a mate of mine.

Got a few questions about it and how to install into my 2000 Verada.

The wiring has been cut a couple of inches from the plug on the H/U, so im going to have to either buy a couple of fly leads or solder it into the factory wiring.
Where is a good place to get these fly leads to adapt from the pioneer plug to the magna plug?

Will this head unit control the factory CD stacker? And if so, will the stock stacker play MP3 CD's?

What's the blue square plug on the back of the H/U for? It has 11 small pins and a large pin in it.

There are two RCA plugs on the back, labeled SW and F. I am hoping that one of these are can be used as an input from my iPod? Or are they outputs for subwoofer and ??

I am hooking up to the factory wiring, so I am going to have to use the blue signal wire to power the antenna?
Is there a way of getting the two stage functionality of the antenna? I am not against having a switch or button to get it to change from half mast to full height.


Sorry if half of this will be apparent when I pull the factory H/U out, as I haven't been into the dash to look yet.
Thanks in advance for the help :)

[QUOTE=Tlmitf;1595906]I was given a Pioneer DEH-P5650MP by a mate of mine.

Got a few questions about it and how to install into my 2000 Verada.

The wiring has been cut a couple of inches from the plug on the H/U, so im going to have to either buy a couple of fly leads or solder it into the factory wiring.
Where is a good place to get these fly leads to adapt from the pioneer plug to the magna plug? Autobarn normally has a decent range.

Will this head unit control the factory CD stacker? And if so, will the stock stacker play MP3 CD's? No and no.


There are two RCA plugs on the back, labeled SW and F. I am hoping that one of these are can be used as an input from my iPod? Or are they outputs for subwoofer and ?? Those are RCA outputs, there are not inputs. This unit does not support Aux
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Supercheap, Repco and Autobarn should have either a Bare Ends->Magna adaptor, Pioneer->ISO adaptor and a ISO<-Magna adaptor, or if youre lucky theyll have all three.
I got a Magna-bare ends and put bullet connectors on the end of them and my HU harness (because an Eclipse harness adaptor isn't available) and it works a treat.
Alternatively if yours has the common Pioneer plug, get the Pioneer->ISO adaptor and a ISO<-Magna adaptor and save a lot of stuffing around

Cool. Thanks for the help.

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This is close to what my H/U looks like.
What's the blue plug?
Some google suggests its an aux. input. I cant find an install manual for this H/U so im running blind.

I was given a Pioneer DEH-P5650MP by a mate of mine.
Nice
Got a few questions about it and how to install into my 2000 Verada.

The wiring has been cut a couple of inches from the plug on the H/U, so im going to have to either buy a couple of fly leads or solder it into the factory wiring.
The Aerpro APP0111 is a unit that does specifically that... Keep the white piece and cut the black and brown pieces off. Leaving the longest lengths of wire possible... And solder these wires to the Headunits Plug.
Where is a good place to get these fly leads to adapt from the pioneer plug to the magna plug?
Supercheap now $17.00.. Alternatively, if you cant solder, you might be lucky to find the matching pioneer plug, but they change quite often, you never know..

Will this head unit control the factory CD stacker? And if so, will the stock stacker play MP3 CD's?
Errr No
What's the blue square plug on the back of the H/U for? It has 11 small pins and a large pin in it.
Possibly for a pioneer addon, BT Kit, ipod kit or pioneer stacker.. you have to look at the manual...

There are two RCA plugs on the back, labeled SW and F. I am hoping that one of these are can be used as an input from my iPod? Or are they outputs for subwoofer and ??
Amp outs only...

I am hooking up to the factory wiring, so I am going to have to use the blue signal wire to power the antenna?
Yes, but the antenna will go up anytime the unit is one, not just with the radio as before, pioneer continually cheap out there..
Is there a way of getting the two stage functionality of the antenna? I am not against having a switch or button to get it to change from half mast to full height.
Possibly with Mods


Sorry if half of this will be apparent when I pull the factory H/U out, as I haven't been into the dash to look yet.
Thanks in advance for the help :)

That should help. The aerpro accs are 24.95 at autobarn, supercheap is $8.00 cheaper for the same product, but generally have less knowledgeable staff...

Oh and if you search for 'pioneer IP BUS' on fleabay.. You might just find a way of connecting that unit to an Ipod/Iphone/android/MP3player etc. for very little coin...

So the best option would be to run down to autobarn with my headunit and see what i can get hold of before i go mounting the thing in the dash.
I was hoping to use the RCA as inputs, but thats out, so ill have a look around to see if i can get the iPod kit for it.

This H/U has a bit of an issue ejecting CD's, hence the price :D

EDIT.
$6 for a cable on fleabay :)

This is close to what my H/U looks like.
What's the blue plug?


Should be an AUX input adaptor, you'll need to use an adaptor though
DEH-P5650MPs are AUX IN capable via CD-RB20 or CD-RB10 Pioneer adaptor kits (or other aftermarket kits possibly)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/iPod-iPhone-5V-Charge-MP3-Player-to-Headunit-IP-BUS-CABLE-for-Pioneer-/140928662234

This looks to solve two issues at once - since my ashtray doesn't have power i haven't been able to charge the phone in the car.
Anyone have any experience with a cable such as this?

Next step in my audio upgrades is a amp because the head unit struggles to run all these speakers.

I was considering a 4 channel amp to run the front stage, and a 8" sub mounted in the rear shelf cutout (I have LPG and do not want to loose more boot space for a sub box)
The head unit has RCA outputs for this specifically, however, it doesn't have RCA output for the rear stage.
Would I be able to bridge the front and rear stages together to run the 6x9's from the head unit, while using the rca's and amp for the front stage and sub?

I have a very limited budget and am trying to get some cleaner sound.

Would I do better with using a 4 channel amp for both front and rear stages, then getting a mono block and sub?

This H/U has a bit of an issue ejecting CD's, hence the price :D

EDIT.
$6 for a cable on fleabay :)

So you are going to spend time, money and effort on a worn out Pioneer?
Less than $100 will buy you a new one with mp3, iPod and USB capability.

It was free, and since being installed in my car has no issues ejecting CD's. It was just how it was mounted in my mates car.

The head unit will get upgraded at some point in the future, but at this point I am using it since it is the best thing I have access to.

I still have the factory head unit on a shelf, but the sound quality is inferior to the pioneer. Although it will drive the 6x9's better than the pioneer.

Any money I spend on the audio takes money away from mechanical work, so I am being a real tight arse on the audio side for now.

Firstly, if you want a "cleaner" sound, you need to start with the source which in this case is the headunit. The headunit does the first lot of processing and then transfers the signal onto the amp, now if you have a shit house headunit, the amp will never improve sound, it will only provide more power for more headroom (volume wise)

If you have a great head unit, but a shit amp, the quality of the sound will be bottle necked by the amp. If you have a great head unit, and a good quality amp, the quality of the sound will remain unchanged, amps dont increase quality, they can only reduce the quality that is lossed from the signal transfer, the same thing works for RCA's too.

Now as for your unit, the sub stage, RCA's are what you will use for the rear speakers. So if you have 6 channels of amplification, at the amp end, you will have a front, rear and sub, now that your unit only provides out put for four of those channels (2 sets of rca's) you will need to use Y Splitters in the form of an RCA to split the sub output signal on the headunit from 2 plugs into 4, this way you can run the rears and the sub off one set of preouts from the headunits. Then the fronts dont get spit, they run straight into the amp.

There is an issue with splitting RCA's though, you loose signal strength and quality, you will loose the ability to "fade" and "tune" as well. So if you want to amp the sub, and the fronts, and remove the rears you can do this well with what you have, however I still recommend upgrading the headunit to something with 3 Set's of RCA Preouts.

Although it will drive the 6x9's better than the pioneer.


No it wont.

Any Pioneer HU has more settings for sound output than the standard HU, so it can be made to sound better.
Keep the setup simple, and save some money. Until you can afford a new HU.

Im running into two problems, one of which i don't have the money to solve.

The head unit is not putting out the power i want. Easy fix, get amp.
There is a distinct lack of clarity/quality in the setup i have. Not cheap to fix but some well chosen components should go a long way to improving the situation.

Quick rundown on what I want from my setup.
I have a varied taste in music, from 70's rock to dubstep, techno/electronica to old school D&B, as well as just 'listen to the radio'
I am forever fiddling with settings, tuning the bass/mid/treble to whatever volume I have at the time. Suffering from industrial deafness I have some strange reactions to some frequencies and tune around it.
When I crank it right up, I like a solid punchy bass with some reasonable mid fill and a crisp top end (dont we all)

The pioneer head unit i have has some good sub controls and I would like to be able to employ them, but to do so i need to use the RCA outputs without combining them into the rear stage.

What I have atm is a headunit that gets damn hot running everything, to the point where it feels about as hot as a top radiator hose, if not hotter. If I run full volume (about 50, out of a total of 62 on the volume display) I can get the head unit to trip out - I assume it is a thermal overload protection.
If i crank past about 45 I start to lose clarity. From my understanding this is because I am starting to over tax the amplification of the head unit. Pushing past about 50 I start to get distortion, which from my understanding is the speakers reaching their power handling limit.

peaandham. I know that quality generally only comes from spending dollars, which I don't have right now. But there has to be some improvements I can make to the factory setup to give me some good gains in power and quality.
My thoughts were that running a amp will take load off the head unit which should give some increase in quality since it isn't being over taxed.
Once I get the sub in there I can run the LPF in the head unit which will take some load off the 6x9's and let them do their thing a bit better.

I dunno, perhaps I have gotten it all arse about.
Home hi-fi is so much easier...

Any Pioneer HU has more settings for sound output than the standard HU, so it can be made to sound better.
Keep the setup simple, and save some money. Until you can afford a new HU.

Fair enough then.
Ill just grin and bear it until I can get a nice new head unit and other components I guess.

Are you running factory speakers in the front doors? Swapping these out with a 6/6.5" set of splits will yield some gain, sound deadening the door and sealing the service holes will yield quite a bit of qain, then using a quality headunit and if needed more power by adding an amp will also improve overall quality.

There are many many steps that can be used to improve quality but first things first, if you dont have a set of splits in the front doors, install some and install some sound deadening and do it right and thats where you will notice the biggest improvement. You will find then you will get more volume from the front speakers too.

Pioneer units do like to "clip". Clipping is a form of distortion where no unit/amp can no longer provide any more clean power and it then becomes audible but a thud type of sound. In a sinwave you would see the a large peak that is flat as like its hit a barrier. Normally, keyword normally this does only happen when there is no more clean power available, which isnt uncommon with headunits however like I said Pioneer units do like to create clipping even before its been tapped of all its clean power, its a fault of theirs. However with a headunit you can only expect about 18wrms from them at the best of times, so using that power better (eg: installation sound deadening) makes the world of difference.

Everything costs money, set of splits $90-$150 for something semi decent, sound deadening and mdf for service holes about $150, new unit with 3 preouts $150-$300, amps $200 ++.

Your right home audio is easier, but thats because you dont have to fight with road noise, you need to try to get speakers in optimal locations, cars are harder to remove interference etc.
Have a look here.
http://www.caraudio.com.au/content/sound-deadening-your-vehicle/

I have been reading through your build thread, which has given me a few ideas on how to optimise what I have.
Yes, afaik all the speakers are factory fitted.

I'm not sure about splits in the doors since there is already the factory split setup, but the 6" speakers in the doors were going to be my first upgrade since there is bugger all audible output from them.
I will try sealing up the door, adding some dynamat and go from there.

Im heading off on a road trip to the south east, pity i couldn't get that done before I left...