I get this nasty shunt when using tippy from first to second at crawl speed. Is it typical?
It happens in full auto too, but not so bad. It seems to shift when the RPM is higher than I do.

Time for the relearn procedure?

I get this nasty shunt when using tippy from first to second at crawl speed. Is it typical? It happens in full auto too, but not so bad. It seems to shift when the RPM is higher than I do. Time for the relearn procedure?

I've owned both 4spd and 5spd auto Magnas, they all do it at a a certain RPM and/or throttle position - that hard shift first to second at parking lot crawl speed. You can make it worse by easing off the throttle as you select 2nd.

I get around it by dropping out of tippy mode just long enough for the transmission to shift to 2nd. Then drop back to tippy mode.

Tippy can start off in second, try that next time you want to dawdle in a car park.
Both my TJ and TL shift flawlessly 1 to 2nd at low speed.
If I was to come across this problem, I'd be checking the TPS.

TPS was replaced a few months ago when I was suffering rough shift. Yeah, starting in 2nd is a good work around.
I'll try the relearn procedure, see how that goes, but i dont expect it will affect tippy mode.

Ahh, all this "jerky", rough shifting turned out to be the engine mounts!
Ah, flip its annoying, cos when i bought the car 2 years ago i suspected the mounts due to a previous similar problem i had with my KH. So at that time i paid a dealer to replace them as well as do the timing belt.
For reasons i don't understand the dealer replaced the roll-stoppers, not the actual mounts... and since they made sfa difference i started to think it wasn't the mounts after all...

Well here i am, 2 years later and i decided the mounts aren't right. Turned out both had splits underneath and the oil had drained out some time before i bought it. This tells me that these rubber mounts are time limited.
New mounts and the auto shifts are perfectly smooth now ... Flip...

The mounts are hydraulic?

The mounts are hydraulic?
They're oil filled on the Verada's

That's amazing. I'd never have thought engine mounts could cause this. I've never been happy with my AWD's gear change and vibrations. Will have to get the engine mounts checked pronto. I suppose they cost an arm and a leg.

That's amazing. I'd never have thought engine mounts could cause this. I've never been happy with my AWD's gear change and vibrations. Will have to get the engine mounts checked pronto. I suppose they cost an arm and a leg.
Good luck checking them, mine looked like new from the top and sides. Didnt look aged at all.
After removal i could see that there were splits directly underneath, and the rubber was clearly compressed there too (sagging).

At that point the car had about 70,000 k's on it, hence my belief that they do have a time limit. (A lot of its early life has been spent sitting around in a garage tho).

After my experience i would recommend replacing both mounts (drivers side and transmission side) together, however make sure whoever does it understands that with the AWD there is not much clearance under the transmission side mount. I think the recommended approach is to remove the drive shaft to give extra clearance.

Finally, this made a huge difference for me, but I do still notice some occassional minor shocks at crawl speed when shifting up to second depending on the conditions. But otherwise its very smooth and I no longer get a feeling of torque up through the seat either. I also used to get a nasty thump when shifting into reverse when cold which has gone too.

I assume you've already tried the relearn procedures already.

Thanks for the info. Finding somewhere here in Perth that knows what they're doing is the main problem for me.

I have done the tranny retraining a couple of times. It never really improved.

KWAWD, are Magna mounts not hydraulic?

Also, you say the side mounts were replaced, but doesn't the rear one absorb most of the force? Seeing as it is the one that stops the engine from rotating?

And, did your idle or overall engine smoothness change after the mounts were replaced?

KWAWD, are Magna mounts not hydraulic?
AFAIK no, they're not, but i've only had Veradas.


Also, you say the side mounts were replaced, but doesn't the rear one absorb most of the force? Seeing as it is the one that stops the engine from rotating?
Well, i'm results oriented, and replacing the rear roll-stopper made no difference at the time. I agree it seems counter-intuitive but i imagine the engine will not only try to rotate under loads, but will try to rock forward and backwards as well during speed changes as when shifting up or down.


And, did your idle or overall engine smoothness change after the mounts were replaced?
Engine smoothness? If you mean N&V generally, yes I think so. I remember afterwards it felt "smoother" driving, but that would be expected without the shift shocks happening. I also remember before feeling some minor vibes in the steering wheel at idle sometimes, which i havent noticed recently.

[edit] i was just thinking that if the mounts are sagging (and empty of the oil) then shift shocks might be much more easily transmitted through the car body. Possibly the AWD is more susceptible due to the extra weight.

To be honest I would have expected that the side mounts did little.
The way I see it is that Newtons 3rd law comes into play with the engine rotation and hence the mounts that prevent it from rolling would transmit or absorb most of the shock and NVH from the motor.

How much were the mounts?

I have a poor idle which I wonder if it can be mount related. On inspection they appear in good shape

To be honest I would have expected that the side mounts did little.
The way I see it is that Newtons 3rd law comes into play with the engine rotation and hence the mounts that prevent it from rolling would transmit or absorb most of the shock and NVH from the motor.

How much were the mounts?

I have a poor idle which I wonder if it can be mount related. On inspection they appear in good shape
I'll have to find the invoice to see if they broke the parts/labour out, but i dont think it was too high,
Poor idle is always difficult to diagnose.
I recommend you create another thread, explain what its doing and see what people suggest.