View Full Version : Putting a VL Turbo on a TR
M4DDOG
15-09-2004, 09:34 PM
OK guys this is probably gonna sound stupid and i'm sorry for my lack of car knowledge, but say if i was to Turbo my TR, would it be possible to take a turbo from a VL and modding it to work with my TR? It's possible to pick up VL Turbos for under $1500 so if its possible it could be a nice cheap turbo modification. Would definatly give my car some extra oomph. Any ideas, would be greatly appreciated :D.
petemal2000
15-09-2004, 10:25 PM
the only part you could actually use would be the turbo itself,
you would still need an ecu, manifolds etc, ie all the expensive ****
Gerard
15-09-2004, 10:31 PM
Theres alot more involved than simply buying a 'turbo'.. I dont think anyone makes bolt on turbo kits for 2nd gens, so this means you'll have to look into buying everything from scratch and having to make some of them custom. Theres Exhaust manifolds, wastegates, the turbocharger itself, ecu, ems? Strengthening the engine, plus you have an auto, im assuming any high end torque would probably chew threw it in a matter of time...
Im not a whizz at performance as you can see, but i know the basics.. If your planning to turbo this car its going to cost anywhere up to 8g.. Thats what others have paid on here, and these are guys who do most of the work themselves id imagine..
You obviously want to get more out of your 4 cyl auto, you have poseted alot of threads asking for advice.. V6 conversion, manual, Turbo..
My advice, If you want a performance vehicle, save up for one. If you want to keep your car and make some slight adjustments to make it quicker.. The best you can do with a little cash is reducing the intake/outake restriction. Free'er flowing filter, less restrictive exhaust/exhaust line, and even extractors, or cold air intake if you can find a way to do it.
Thats the best your gonna get with your car, Im in the same situation as you, 4cyl Auto.. All ive done is k&n panel filter, and a less restr exhaust (cannon :doubt: ).. Its no performance vehicle, but its better :)
Anyway, best of luck..
Gerard
15-09-2004, 10:45 PM
Oh another thing to help you out, if you want better performance, lighten the car, take out ur subs (if u can live without em) and your spare tyre, and kick your mates outta the back seat.
From my 'basic' understanding of engines a 2.6 L 4 cylinder means each chamber is somewhat large considering there only 4 pistons. This is obvioulsy designed for better torque at mid range revs, if youve noticed alot of torque kicks in at about 3.5 -4g, but this reduces the cars instantaneous acceleration quite a bit.
So in other words the astronII engine was designed to be a family car, not performance. It was made to be able to carry a car load and not struggle..
Your best bet is to reduce wieght, and do what i said above. Also keep your car regularly serviced, have the tyres alligned often to reduce drag, and for gods sakes remove the chrome hubbies! lol
I could be completely wrong here, its late and im just yabbing on, so anyone feel free to crtisize my comments :cool:
Harro
15-09-2004, 11:47 PM
not to mention the fact that the rb30 motor is for RWD cars...... so it s N-S motor, not a E-W.
so unless you want to modd mounts, firewall, ecu AND do a rwd conversion.... NO.
the astron 2600 are a good motor to turbo, they have quite strong internals and people have siad you can run a decent amount of boost without changing the internals
petemal2000
16-09-2004, 06:51 AM
not to mention the fact that the rb30 motor is for RWD cars...... so it s N-S motor, not a E-W.
i think he meant just pull the actuall turbo off and put it on his, not the whole motor
the astron 2600 are a good motor to turbo, they have quite strong internals and people have siad you can run a decent amount of boost without changing the internals
yes, they are, doesnt mean i would be taking any chances though, you have to remember, even the newest of these motors is 9 years old now, wouldnt even bother with forced induction without at least a minor freshenup.
(im not taking any chances with mine, in the next 2 months my whole motors gettin stripped down :badgrin: Cant wait :D :D
M4DDOG
16-09-2004, 07:34 AM
Yeh i was talking about the actual turbo itself, and maybe any parts you need a for a turbo that i could maybe mod to fit my car? And if i did do it i would get a rebuild to some degree so the engine wasn't totally unprepared for it. Also i would probably rebuild the auto box so it was capable of handling the power, and i've been doing a little (keyword little) research on prices and stuff, i can get the turbo and intercooler under $1k, then its just basic stuff like engine and auto rebuild, fuel pump, extractors(exhaust manifold i'm guessing), new ecu or at least i think a power chip would do it?. It all added up to be roughly around $4k. It was only a query just seeing what my options are, best option so far is to ditch it and buy a TE/TF, oh well. I'm thinking i might just save everything i can, keep my baby serviced and running nice, and then when i get enough cash sell it and then upgrade. I guess i just see that the more money i spend on her, the more money i'm gonna lose later on when i sell it or it ****s itself.
powerchip wont do squat..
Leigh.. simple rule of thumb..
There is no cheap way to get lots of HP out of an engine...
Altera98
16-09-2004, 05:40 PM
the astron 2.6 is actually a great motor to turbo, there are some very quick sigmas, and with the sequential efi of the magna even better potential.
now if the turbo off the VL has never been rebuilt it will by now be shagged. by the time u get it rebuilt (about 800$) it will cost you almost as much as a new one about 1200$ if you pay any less than 400$ for it. if it is rusted out it cant even be saved either. your motor will need to be in good cond to start with, then theres all the rest of the work. if its an old nylon bush and not a ball bearing type turbo dont even bother with it.
benau
16-09-2004, 09:06 PM
easiest and cheapest power up for an auto magna is to put a manual conversion in it.
after that if u want to go quicker then buy a factory turbo car, import 4door skylines are cheap.
(I have a factory VL turbo 4 sale, pm if interested)
Chief
16-09-2004, 09:25 PM
I still reckon the best power upgrade to an 2.6L 98kw Auto Magna is a 3L 140kw Manual TE Magna. Will cost you about $2500. Not too bad considering what else comes with the "power upgrade" :D This is the road I'm taking and am currently on the lookout for any TE/TF/TH's.
Killbilly
16-09-2004, 09:35 PM
I still reckon the best power upgrade to an 2.6L 98kw Auto Magna is a 3L 140kw Manual TE Magna. Will cost you about $2500. Not too bad considering what else comes with the "power upgrade" :D This is the road I'm taking and am currently on the lookout for any TE/TF/TH's.
A 3l TE Manual for 2500???
Shagna
16-09-2004, 10:01 PM
A little info on turbo-ing a TR/S:
Quite expensive to make sure it is done right. But who to say what is right and wrong? Being a naturally aspirated motor there are quite a few things to change to get the most benefits from the new aspiration method. I would write a bit more but I am going to bed now. Gerard is pretty correct with his price estimate too.
PM me if you want to know more.
Altera98
17-09-2004, 10:09 AM
easiest and cheapest power up for an auto magna is to put a manual conversion in it.
after that if u want to go quicker then buy a factory turbo car, import 4door skylines are cheap.
(I have a factory VL turbo 4 sale, pm if interested)
that is not easy or cheap or power up lol
and have u noticed that all the 10-11 sec VLturbos are 4 sp auto?
and have u noticed that all the 10-11 sec VLturbos are 4 sp auto?
:doubt: um.........no, all of them arent
Chief
17-09-2004, 01:13 PM
A 3l TE Manual for 2500???
lol :bowrofl: no the "upgrade". ie sell your 2nd gen and buy a 3L TE :D Sorry if it didn't sound clear.
petemal2000
17-09-2004, 01:21 PM
If you intend on doing any mods to your car to get a decent ammount more power then be prepared to spend big bux, i myself am in the situation where i have spent too much on the car now that i couldnt sell it, so after thinkin about it for ages i decided Fuc k it, its my car so i may as well make the best of it. now its just a bottomless pit for money :D (im sure a few other people on here can relate)
anyway back to the turbo, if you want to get your car goin better, first thing would be ditch the auto box, (trust me, ive done it :D )
Altera98
17-09-2004, 02:49 PM
:doubt: um.........no, all of them arent
lol i didnt mean all, but like eg the rajab bros purple VL calais that held the record for fastest VL at 9 secs is a 4 speed auto.
also the fatsest wrx in oz, 8 secs croydon autosports is auto,
for a lot of cars the autos are stronger, but not with magnas thats for sure :cool: .
benau
17-09-2004, 03:25 PM
that is not easy or cheap or power up lol
and have u noticed that all the 10-11 sec VLturbos are 4 sp auto?
of course the serious drag cars are autos :nuts:
manual shifting takes too much time in a drag race and when your drag racing you want power at the wheel not the clutch disengaged.
I thought we were talking about getting more power and driveability out of a 4cyl magna for street use, it's not a car with the horespower to actually spin the wheels through an auto like a VL turbo. the mtsu auto pulls a lot of torque driving the transmission pump. i still think the manual conversion is the best way to go as a first mod for more power, for the money you would not get the same or more power at the wheels with an auto still fitted. as for cost i think i could do a manual conversion for under $1000 doing the labour myself.
Altera98
17-09-2004, 03:56 PM
of course the serious drag cars are autos :nuts:
manual shifting takes too much time in a drag race and when your drag racing you want power at the wheel not the clutch disengaged.
I thought we were talking about getting more power and driveability out of a 4cyl magna for street use, it's not a car with the horespower to actually spin the wheels through an auto like a VL turbo. the mtsu auto pulls a lot of torque driving the transmission pump. i still think the manual conversion is the best way to go as a first mod for more power, for the money you would not get the same or more power at the wheels with an auto still fitted. as for cost i think i could do a manual conversion for under $1000 doing the labour myself.
yes the car would certainly be quicker with the same power from the fly. and doing the work yourself if you can saves a lot of money. i remember someone looked into getting the conversion done and it was around $3000. then again people in the datsun club have built turbo and supercharges setups for around 1000$ doing it all themself too :shock:
M4DDOG
17-09-2004, 05:26 PM
I was actually thinking of buying a TE AUTO, i've been told TE auto boxes suck but they should be fixed by now under warranty and just general use. My dad says the TE had engine problems as well? any other probs? because i was thinking of saving up just a little more to get a TF, but if i can get a TE that doesn't have any problems would be alot cheaper, and definatly best power upgrade (cuz then i can do CAI, K&N, exhaust) would own my car. Thanks for the help guys, i'll let you know when i'm gonna buy a new car :).
dark_magician
17-09-2004, 10:25 PM
y dont you strech it to tj magna they r about 12k +on roads it will be same price as upgrading to turbo so might as well spend it on a latest model 2nd hand that is
skotyp17
18-09-2004, 11:21 AM
if u wanna do u ur car turbo and make it cheaper.....get a mitsu sigma turbo.... then buy a t3 or highflow t3 seperate.. put it all on and go down to a aplace that reconfigures ur ecu....its cheaper and its actually better than buying an aftermaket ecu....the fastest ute that my boss owns in the world actually still uses his orginal ecu...also his vt twin turbo....still uses the roiginal ecu... so find a sigma, bigger turbo and work from there, thats what im doing.....
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