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nasawalker04
21-05-2014, 09:15 PM
Im wanting to replace the rotors and pads on my 02 tj ralliart and was contemplating getting dba slotted but was wondering do i really need them as i dont track the car.

Are standard repco rotors and bendix pads a good combo or should i get qfm pads.

Just some thoughts would be appreciated.

jdisnow
22-05-2014, 07:33 AM
I recently changed rotors on my TJ for slotted, as I do a lot of mountainous driving.
DBA Front Drilled and slotted Rotors DBA425D ($113 A PAIR from online performance autos)

Although they are noisy (sounds like a water trickle or ticking) they do work longer before there is any fade. They also create a lot of dust. Be careful if you go drilled and slotted about your pad choice. Its ok having slotted rotors, but if your pads fade first, there is no point to the rotors being able to absorb more heat. In slow traffic, your pads will smell however, due to the increased "bite" of the rotors.
The right combo of pads and slotted rotors is an advantage (IMO) as you can really stand on the brake pedal when you need it and get superior stopping power and fade resistance. (Got me out of the sh*t a few times.....don't like hitting wombats at 100+)
For serious pads, I would recommend Bendix "street road track" series or EDC (UK) "Ultimax 2" or "Red stuff" if you are serious about stopping power. (Have credit card and smelling salts ready...red stuff pads are about $270 for fronts)
Everyday driving, the best (price vs quality) ive found are bendix ultimate or EDC "black stuff". They are truly (IMO) worth the extra $20-30 a set.

MadMax
22-05-2014, 08:34 AM
I'm against drilled or slotted rotors for daily normal use as they may be more prone to cracking. The disc and hat are one piece, unlike race car discs where the disc itself is a floating fit on the brake hat.
If you use the Magna in conditions where good braking and resistance to fading is needed, go with quality pads but stick with the plain discs.

But this is just my opinion and others may not share it. lol

If you don't like dusty pads, stay away from the cheapies like $35 RDA pads. Great stopping when cold, but dusty as anything. Probably fade quickly too, but haven't come across this yet.

Red Valdez
22-05-2014, 11:36 AM
The cheaper DBA and RDA slotted/drilled rotors are literally just the base model rotors with slots/holes added. I am not convinced that, all other things being equal, the slots/holes make any worthwhile difference, particularly on a street driven car.

I would probably with solid DBA (or even RDA) rotors rather than their slotted equivalents or Repco cheapies. If you are serious about your braking, DBA's higher end models get a good rap (e.g. 4000 series) but they are not cheap.

As for pads, Bendix make quite a few pads, what model were you looking at? I ran the General CTs in my old Magna - great for a daily driver (no dust or noise) but they faded when provoked. I upgraded to the QFM HPX, which I also run on my 380. A little on the dusty and noisy side, but quite good for a performance pad - they would be my pick of pads if you are a fan of mountain runs. Bendix Ultimates are supposed to offer good performance but I have heard that they are harsh on rotors.

shezza
22-05-2014, 09:34 PM
Whatever you do, dont get Bendix Ultimate pads. They are horrible! Very noisy and sooooo much dust! Im happy with the QFM performance pads.
DBA seems to have the best name in rotors, not sure who supplies Repco. Have read terrible things about RDA's!

AaronoTG
22-05-2014, 10:12 PM
Whatever you do, dont get Bendix Ultimate pads. They are horrible! Very noisy and sooooo much dust! Im happy with the QFM performance pads.
DBA seems to have the best name in rotors, not sure who supplies Repco. Have read terrible things about RDA's!

I thought I'd give the Ultimates a go as well, and currently have them on at the moment. Very happy with performance, but plus 1 on them being far too dusty. They make my chrome rims look like shadow-chrome!
I'll be looking elsewhere when it comes time to replace the pads.

In terms of the rotors, you'll hardly notice the difference between regular and slotted rotors for general around town driving. If I was concerned about pulling up, I'd be thinking along the lines of getting some good pads, and good tyres.

khn47
22-05-2014, 10:25 PM
Don't get rdas, I had them on my ts, they warp far too easily over short periods of time, dba brand is much better quality

ADM
23-05-2014, 07:28 AM
+1 with what others have said here. If you want to go slotted - DBA 4000 series is the way to go.
I've had them on my Verada AWD since 2006 - and they've been machined once after replacing those crappy Bosch quick stops.
I will be replacing them & the calipers next pad change as I'm going Brembo calipers all-round (sometime early next year) but I will be buying the DBA 4000 series rotors again.
As for Pads, I'm not backwards in recommending the Ferodo Thermo Quiets - for quietness, minimal dust, longevity and forgiving on rotors - these are the best I've used.
They may not be as initially bitey as say QMFs or EBC but they offer a terrific progressive feel and exhibit very good fade resistance - as in they haven't faded on me yet and are ideal for a daily driven sports vehicle that will see the odd spirited driving session.

Oggy
23-05-2014, 08:03 AM
The idea for slotted is that the slots extract gasses (and foreign objects?) from between pad & disc, like tyres on a wet road pump water out.
That gass is one cause of brake fade. Another is boiling brake fluid.

Stock rotors and pads won't build up any gasses between them during normal driving, so should work just fine. I think the "cleaning" aspect of a slotted rotor is negligible.

Stock should still be perfectly fine for any single emergency stop from a legal speed, however, if you drive like an idiot, they may fade and cause a problem sooner than slotted rotors.

I track tested the stock brakes on an old car - two consecutive runs of 0-160-0 on a track and on the first run, no problem, on the second run, by the time speed was reduced to about 100, there was NO brakes left. I had to pull up the hand brake as hard as possible and engine brake right down to 1st gear before I could stop the car. It took over 5 minutes of babying the car after that before the brakes felt "happy" again.
A similar car with better brakes showed no fade on the second run.

So, that's why I replaced the front discs with DBA 4000 series slotted rotors when they needed replacing. :)

nasawalker04
27-05-2014, 03:42 PM
Just curious as to the rotor sizes for the ralliart magna as apparently DBA dont make them for them anymore. There 294mm front and 284mm rear correct. And am I not mistaken the 380 brakes and ralliart magna have the same brakes?

Cheers just wont some clarification.

Red Valdez
27-05-2014, 03:49 PM
380 rotors are thicker and won't fit. You would need to do a full caliper/rotor/pad conversion (front only).

I think someone is telling you porkies as my understanding is that the front Ralliart brakes are identical to those off earlier model Evos.

ADM
02-06-2014, 10:10 AM
+1 on Red Valdez's understanding.
The non Brembo Evo's & even my Mum's Legnum use exactly the same calipers and discs as the magna ralliart and magna AWD models.
They are all the Akebono Twin piston Caliper with 294mm vented rotors up front & Single piston calipers with 284mm vented rotors out back.
The 380 uses the PBR calipers & discs & they are thicker than the Akebono set up as previously mentioned.

Downundersir
16-10-2014, 08:45 AM
You should be right with the fronts, AWD uses same brakes as ralliart. But the rear is an orphan, does Mitsubishi still stock them? Its crazy, because surely there is market, its s cheap brake upgrade on a standard FWD if you brake an locate ralliart rotors. Awd rear rotors won't fit but calipers will.

Downundersir
16-10-2014, 08:49 AM
+1 on Red Valdez's understanding.
The non Brembo Evo's & even my Mum's Legnum use exactly the same calipers and discs as the magna ralliart and magna AWD models.
They are all the Akebono Twin piston Caliper with 294mm vented rotors up front & Single piston calipers with 284mm vented rotors out back.
The 380 uses the PBR calipers & discs & they are thicker than the Akebono set up as previously mentioned.

+1
pad selection for a 380 is almost non existent. if dba dropped ralliart rotors for a performance oriented car, how long will they stock 380 rotors, didn't they sell more ralliarts than 380' anyway? Lol