Just curious.

Is it possible to buy a brand new crate engine anywhere?

I often see new motors offered for other vehicles, but have never noticed a 6G74 or 5 on eBay and I wouldn't know where else to look.

I've seen a new 6G75 for sale not all that long ago. $2,500 from memory

Interesting. I recall Mal said he can install second hand motors for about that price. I wonder what it would cost to have a new motor installed.

Did you see it on eBay on someplace else?

Thank you :)


I've seen a new 6G75 for sale not all that long ago. $2,500 from memory

It was on Gumtree, and the engine was in SA.
Mind you by the time you paid for shipping, installation and any modifications needed I dare say you'd be looking at 4K+

Ouch!


It was on Gumtree, and the engine was in SA.
Mind you by the time you paid for shipping, installation and any modifications needed I dare say you'd be looking at 4K+

I have a brand new 6G75 on the shelf, a long motor.

You can have it for 7k.

I have a brand new 6G75 on the shelf, a long motor.

You can have it for 7k.

yep, does it come with a flying pig?

Dreamin'...

I think that motor will be on the shelf for a long long time at that price.

Thanks, but no... lol


I have a brand new 6G75 on the shelf, a long motor.

You can have it for 7k.

You can only buy short engines new from mitsu if still avaliable now.they pop up on ebay time to time.

You can only buy short engines new from mitsu if still avaliable now.they pop up on ebay time to time.

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand the whole long / short motor thing. What is the difference?

Just Googled this info. There you go you learn something new everyday. :learn:

Short Block vs. Long Block Engines: Comparing Auto Engine Performance

A short block engine and a long block engine are two different engine states. While they are both the same in external dimensions, they differ in the amount of parts they contain. Both short block and long block engines are potential components to the best car engines.

Short Block Engine

Short block engines are not complete but they do come with a cam pistons, connecting rods and a crank.. They do require the installation of additional internal parts which include but are not limited to: an oil pump, cylinder heads and gaskets. Some short blocks are made available with camshafts and timing parts.

Long Block Engine

This type of engine is almost complete and comes with the head which is bolted to the short block. The long block engine will need to have some additional external parts installed. These parts include but are not limited to: valve covers, manifolds for the exhaust and intake, a timing covers and an oil pan.

Short Block and Long Block Comparison

The car engine performance provided by a long block engine is potentially better than that of a short block due to the state in which it is installed into a vehicle. Having more parts, there are fewer situations where problems could arise in the installation process. At the same time, the short block engine allows for more choice and potentially quality performance, in the additional parts that are necessary to the installation.The need for a short block replacement indicates that the engine block and some major internal parts have been damaged beyond repair.

However, the existing and working systems such as the intake, exhaust manifold and heads can be connected to the new short block. The need for a long block replacement indicates that the short block and the head have been damaged beyond repair. The cost of the additional internal parts for a short block are more expensive than the cost of the additional external parts for the long block. The short block parts also require more time for installation than the long block parts. When considering the costs of parts and labor, the short block will be more costly than the long block which comes almost complete.

Just Googled this info. There you go you learn something new everyday. :learn:

Short Block vs. Long Block Engines: Comparing Auto Engine Performance

A short block engine and a long block engine are two different engine states. While they are both the same in external dimensions, they differ in the amount of parts they contain. Both short block and long block engines are potential components to the best car engines.

Short Block Engine

Short block engines are not complete but they do come with a cam pistons, connecting rods and a crank.. They do require the installation of additional internal parts which include but are not limited to: an oil pump, cylinder heads and gaskets. Some short blocks are made available with camshafts and timing parts.

Long Block Engine

This type of engine is almost complete and comes with the head which is bolted to the short block. The long block engine will need to have some additional external parts installed. These parts include but are not limited to: valve covers, manifolds for the exhaust and intake, a timing covers and an oil pan.

Short Block and Long Block Comparison

The car engine performance provided by a long block engine is potentially better than that of a short block due to the state in which it is installed into a vehicle. Having more parts, there are fewer situations where problems could arise in the installation process. At the same time, the short block engine allows for more choice and potentially quality performance, in the additional parts that are necessary to the installation.The need for a short block replacement indicates that the engine block and some major internal parts have been damaged beyond repair.

However, the existing and working systems such as the intake, exhaust manifold and heads can be connected to the new short block. The need for a long block replacement indicates that the short block and the head have been damaged beyond repair. The cost of the additional internal parts for a short block are more expensive than the cost of the additional external parts for the long block. The short block parts also require more time for installation than the long block parts. When considering the costs of parts and labor, the short block will be more costly than the long block which comes almost complete.

Yep spot on. It is possible but getting rarer due to the age of these cars and popularity. These days a second hand low km engine is as good.

I was lucky enough to get the opportunity to buy a long 3.5 brand new for $1300 when Mitsubishi closed down. This replaced my worn out 3.0 and I still have it and use it to date. It has 70,000kms on it now.

What is the reasoning? Sometimes working out the pros/cons helps out when considering what one to choose for your situation.

I won't say anything about the $7k 6g75...

Nice Google quote, Madasacutsnake, but I knew all that.

As for "Finding" a 3.8L crate motor, forget it - unless someone bought one when Mitsu closed down and it's sitting around gathering dust. And, no, $7K is not a good price. You can get a good used long motor for a lot less.

You'd have enough change to buy a KJ Xi or a TJ/TL VRX to bolt it into as well ;)

From what I understand a short motor is without the heads.

From what I understand a short motor is without the heads.

Correct. Block + crank + pistons + rings + con rods + oil pump (?) + sump, nothing else, no heads but fully assembled. Usually bought from an engine reconditioners who have reconditioned a worn out engine block - crank grind, rebore, etc. Comes with fresh paint and all holes sealed for transport.

I have a brand new 6G75 on the shelf, a long motor.

You can have it for 7k.

Hahahaha 7k for a new motor, would need to come with the rest of the damn car for that price. Just like paying $19k for a 380 these days, not going to happen

Depending on what you are after there is not that much benefit in buying a new crate motor for a daily driver, not much more benefit in getting one for a car only driven occasionally either. To give an example I am not aware of a single used 380 motor that I have supplied which has died due to wear or anything, only one I now of is one I supplied and several months later someone dropped a nice spring washer down the guts when changing plugs, can not blame the motor for that one chaps :)

For 7k you would get one hell of a forged motor built up as well.

A short motor is usually block, crank, rods and pistons. As an assembled unit..

A long motor is usually a complete engine that you need to bolt your ancillaries to. AC comp, alternator, manifolds etc.

A fully dressed motor is one that is ready to drop into your car complete with all bolt ons..

For 7k you would get one hell of a forged motor built up as well.

$7k gets you the basics, but nothing special in terms of building... Off the shelf Rods, pistons, bearing, studs, basic rebuild.

Mine is going to cost $11k, but this involves extensive headwork, oversized valves, custom cams, custom made rods, pistons, piston rings, etc...

In terms of pricing a new motor... Has anymore priced them from Mits if still available? It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted more then $7k...

Short motor will not include cams in an OHC setup.

Dean, Even If you were to purchase one from a Dealer, and as far as I was told recently, they are still available, then you would be fitting this to a 380 with a full warranty as well. IF you got one to fit into another car they would most likely void any warranty for the motor thus why would you get one in the first place

As for building up a strong motor, you would get good change out of 7k, as for rebuilding a good properly done 3.8, especially one which has done lower km in the first place I would expect this to be half of that if not a little less. 7k for a un warranted, unknown motor sitting in some guys shed is simply drug money as is 19k for a 380 which was also recently asked as well, who cars what day the car came off the production line, it is still only a 380. Yest they are awesome cars IMO however when I can get 3 of them for the same price all in good condition why would I get one for $19k? This year so far I have purchased 6 380's for my client with the 6th one being picked up tomorrow. ALL of them have under 120k on them, full history and 2 of them have factory Gas as well......

The motor is a true forged 6g75, with the cradle bolt upgrade,good for a thousand horsepower.

oh well...sorry, I offered as it's an absolute bargain.

The motor is a true forged 6g75, with the cradle bolt upgrade,good for a thousand horsepower.

oh well...sorry, I offered as it's an absolute bargain.

Even enthusiasts that are willing to spend this much money on a motor (no matter the mods) for these types of cars do not and never will get such a thing as a bargain.

The motor is a true forged 6g75, with the cradle bolt upgrade,good for a thousand horsepower.

oh well...sorry, I offered as it's an absolute bargain.

dude you are so full of shit....

dude you are so full of shit....

I was not game enough to say it :D

John, Z80, Blackstar, Zilo or what ever you want to call yourself these days. A crate motor is just that, a Crate Motor. A motor which has been screwed with is NOT a crate motor, it may be far better than a standard crate motor but is not a crate motor.

With the discussions here, the term Crate Motor is being used to refer to a Motor sold by Mitsubishi as a standard replacement motor in this case for a Mitsubishi 380. Mitsubishi do not supply 1000hp motors as crate motors last time I looked.

Cheers for that info Malcolm,

but I never said it was a crate motor.

You offered him a second hand solution which isn't a crate motor.

I knew full well the gasps that $7k would get.

Mitsubishi offer heads for $2700 each, and a block for $2500....with nothing else on the engine.


Care factor is zero here.

Just curious.

Is it possible to buy a brand new crate engine anywhere?

I often see new motors offered for other vehicles, but have never noticed a 6G74 or 5 on eBay and I wouldn't know where else to look.


I have a brand new 6G75 on the shelf, a long motor.

You can have it for 7k.

REKT!


Cheers for that info Malcolm,

but I never said it was a crate motor.

You offered him a second hand solution which isn't a crate motor.

I knew full well the gasps that $7k would get.

Mitsubishi offer heads for $2700 each, and a block for $2500....with nothing else on the engine.


Care factor is zero here.

Do you at least see how your first post was at the very least, misleading..

And now that I read that again, so a "Brand New" motor, so this is a motor which has never ever been fitted to a car or even run, has been stripped, upgraded and then put back together? If not and this motor is a used motor which has been rebuilt then it is NOT brand new, it is reconditioned.......it may, as I stated be way better than any crate motor you may find BUT it is still a rebuilt USED motor

Who cares how much heads and blocks cost from Mits, the OP was not asking how much to buy all the bits and hope he can find someone to put it together. He was simply asking if the crate motors were still available and if so how much one should expect to pay for one. He was not asking for an engine that could potentially run at 1000hp (sounds all familiar to a second gen I know which apparently runs 180kw, perhaps you guys know each other :) ) He was asking for the price on a crate motor

Oh, on another note, in my opinion, and it is simply my opinion, once you crack open a Brand New motor it would no longer be Brand New as a BRAND NEW item such as a motor would be an item which is being supplied just as the manufacturer made that item, in this case being Mitsubishi. So what you have is what was once Brand New and is not Modified and for lack of better way of putting it Reconditioned (despite the fact it probably did not need to be touched in the first place)

Depending on what you are after there is not that much benefit in buying a new crate motor for a daily driver, not much more benefit in getting one for a car only driven occasionally either. To give an example I am not aware of a single used 380 motor that I have supplied which has died due to wear or anything...

I can vouch for this! The 3.8 Mal put in my TE had 130k kms on it, I've put another 20k on it and the thing runs as perfect as the day I drove it out of his workshop. My 380 has almost 190k kms and still runs great. Unless we were talking only 10-20% extra for brand new, I wouldn't worry about it.

The motor is a true forged 6g75, with the cradle bolt upgrade,good for a thousand horsepower.

oh well...sorry, I offered as it's an absolute bargain.

Wasn't this built with an 8.5:1 CR for high boost applications? If so, wouldn't be useful to anybody without an additional $10k to boost it

Wasn't this built with an 8.5:1 CR for high boost applications? If so, wouldn't be useful to anybody without an additional $10k to boost it

Dean, that fact was then hidden in the fine print :)

Well there we go no longer available from Mitsubishi, they were around the $5500 each from Mits thus the guys lucky enough to get one for the $2500 mark paid about the right money for the ones they got given that you dont get any warranty with a private sale and we all know that MMAL are good at one thing, that is marking up the crap out of parts

Well there we go no longer available from Mitsubishi, they were around the $5500 each from Mits thus the guys lucky enough to get one for the $2500 mark paid about the right money for the ones they got given that you dont get any warranty with a private sale and we all know that MMAL are good at one thing, that is marking up the crap out of parts

All car manufacturers mark up the crap out of prices. Then cry poor and need Government assistance.

I'm not saying they don't need Government assistance to continue their operations, but if they have turned the business into a lean mean operation, charge super high prices and still fail (some even with Government assistance), it just tells you the business model was never sustainable.

Well there we go no longer available from Mitsubishi, they were around the $5500 each from Mits thus the guys lucky enough to get one for the $2500 mark paid about the right money for the ones they got given that you dont get any warranty with a private sale and we all know that MMAL are good at one thing, that is marking up the crap out of parts
Here's some facts for you.
This motor had 90 kilometres on it before it was forged....that's 90 not 90 thousand.
It is a brand new long motor from Mitsubishi, fitted under warranty, then removed by me the day after and sent to Engineworks for forging.
It is as new as you can get.

As far as I know it is the only built 6G75 ever offered for sale , anywhere.

But obviously out of the budget of the OP, and everyone else, so in my workshop it stays.

Good luck with your second hand engines pulled out of a wreck.

So it WAS a brand new motor BEFORE it was fitted and then removed by yourself.

This is from the wreck you purchased on which you claimed had a brand new motor.............yer riiiiggghhhttttt

funny thing is that this IS A SECONDHAND motor also pulled out of a wreck, so you claim it has done less km than the others but then you had it rebuilt for reasons completely oblivious to anyone reading this (why in hell you would rip apart a good low k (or in this case a NO K) motor and then rebuild it when you can get the same results from doing the same thing with a motor which has done 100k given all these parts being replaced)

SO your advertising this as a brand new motor was false to start with right from the get go as again the definition of Brand New is, from the dictionary.....Being in a fresh and unused condition; completely new.

Interesting..........

Oh as for being the first "built" that is also BS as you well know as there was one I personally took down to Engineworx and they built for a guy in WA which you then purchased off him for some crazy low ball price, a damn side less than this one you are trying to flog off.

Noe as for being out of the budget, really John, you are seriously thinking this. I know that you do get cut when people do not agree with you but hell, no one is going to pay $7k (well no one with half a brain anyway) unless they want to go all out with a motor and then only would they unless they knew exactly what has gone into that motor. They certainly will not purchase a motor from someone who advertises it as brand new when it certainly is not.

As for our second hand motors, I personally have sold over 50 of these and as stated all but 1 are still running. My own motor is coming up to 340k now (I suspected was also a replacement as the internals were way too clean for that amount of mileage however Mitsubishi confirmed that the engine number did indeed belong to the car it was removed from from new) and my motor is still running like a swiss watch. Ran too well to throw it out but way too many km to sell. Others I have sold to people with the 200k mark on them are still running strong so unfortunately your wish of good luck is really not needed. I must also point out that at least one of these "used" motors is happily running a super charger and there will be a second one of them in coming weeks as well.

Wheres the popcorn when you need it....:js:

Mitsu sure knows how to build engines! The 3.8L is the pinnacle of decades of development, starting with the first 12 valve 3L V6 way back when. Prior to the V6, you would buy a Mitsu second hand and if it had more than 160,000 km on it, you knew you would be up for a new motor. These days, the Mitsu V6 should outlast the rest of the car.

Pity Mitsu dumped the V6 for more fuel efficient 4 cylinder engines. First time I put my foot down in an auto 3.5L Magna, I smiled. First time I put my foot down in a 2.0L Lancer, I frowned. The only smile I get is when I buy fuel for the Lancer. Such is progress . . .

Enough nostalgia & rambling . . . /*wanders off sobbing quietly. */

So it WAS a brand new motor BEFORE it was fitted and then removed by yourself.

This is from the wreck you purchased on which you claimed had a brand new motor.............yer riiiiggghhhttttt

funny thing is that this IS A SECONDHAND motor also pulled out of a wreck, so you claim it has done less km than the others but then you had it rebuilt for reasons completely oblivious to anyone reading this (why in hell you would rip apart a good low k (or in this case a NO K) motor and then rebuild it when you can get the same results from doing the same thing with a motor which has done 100k given all these parts being replaced)

SO your advertising this as a brand new motor was false to start with right from the get go as again the definition of Brand New is, from the dictionary.....Being in a fresh and unused condition; completely new.

Interesting..........

Oh as for being the first "built" that is also BS as you well know as there was one I personally took down to Engineworx and they built for a guy in WA which you then purchased off him for some crazy low ball price, a damn side less than this one you are trying to flog off.

Noe as for being out of the budget, really John, you are seriously thinking this. I know that you do get cut when people do not agree with you but hell, no one is going to pay $7k (well no one with half a brain anyway) unless they want to go all out with a motor and then only would they unless they knew exactly what has gone into that motor. They certainly will not purchase a motor from someone who advertises it as brand new when it certainly is not.

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You are wrong, on so many fronts I can't be bothered arguing with you except....

I have forged two 6G75 engines, engineworx have built 4 engines for me so far.

This is not the one you sold to Tyson, this is the engine that TMR put in under warranty into my GT.

I removed it the day after driving it home.

Why would I rebuild a brand new engine? Cause I can.

Don't make wild assumptions and then extrapolate them into so called facts, it only lowers the opinion I already have of you.

1000 hp in a 6g75 block end? thats a lol anyway.

what head gaskets you using?

1000 hp in a 6g75 block end? thats a lol anyway.

what head gaskets you using?

It is a theoretical figure, it says the block/crank/pistons etc could handle 1,000 HP. In the light of practical reality, how much the engine actually makes depends entirely on what you put on top of the block.

It is a theoretical figure, it says the block/crank/pistons etc could handle 1,000 HP. In the light of practical reality, how much the engine actually makes depends entirely on what you put on top of the block.

block its self would not reliably push 1000hp irrelevant of internal parts. 6g75 380 block will never reliably make 1000hp.

block its self would not reliably push 1000hp irrelevant of internal parts. 6g75 380 block will never reliably make 1000hp.

Probably not, but the figure is impressive and may convince someone to hand over the money needed to build such a motor. As I said, it is a "theoretical" figure (also known as "I just made the number up to impress you").

It would probably disintegrate in an interesting fashion, without getting anywhere near the 1,000 HP mark, much like an overboosted Subaru engine. lol

that only happened once. since spun a bearing, but that was not boost related. oil pickup sucked air at 8,000 rpm and destroyed shit real quick... also, no such thing as overboosted. the word(s) you are looking for is, excessively awesome

no such thing as overboosted. the word(s) you are looking for is, excessively awesome

Yes, sorry lol I got a bit confused there! I stand corrected. lol lol lol

Long vs Short Block will be obvious for anyone with grey hair - When all engines ran north/south (ie: no front wheel drives) a short engine had nothing in front of the block (no Ancillaries or pulleys) and nothing behind the block (clutch, flywheel was optional) and nothing on top of the block (carburetor, distrubutor etc)

So in a FWD car a short block is pretty much just the engine, a long block should have pulleys, intakes, distributor/coil packs probably butterflys and any "on engine" electrics

You are wrong, on so many fronts I can't be bothered arguing with you except....

I have forged two 6G75 engines, engineworx have built 4 engines for me so far.

This is not the one you sold to Tyson, this is the engine that TMR put in under warranty into my GT.

I removed it the day after driving it home.

Why would I rebuild a brand new engine? Cause I can.

Don't make wild assumptions and then extrapolate them into so called facts, it only lowers the opinion I already have of you.

To be frank, the opinion you have of me is really not worth me worrying about as quite frankly my dear I dont give a good damn......so the motor came out of a car you had a warranty job done on big deal. I never stated this was the motor I sold Tyson either, perhaps you should try and re read (I can insert pictures for you if easier) what I stated, this reference to Tyson was showing where you stated no one has ever sold a forged motor not being fact.

Personally I would not trust a single thing you state or claim given that you dont even know the difference between what is brand new and what is used. Once that motor has been fitted into a car and the key turned it is used, not Brand new


On another note,

A short motor regardless if FWD or RWD was simply an assembled block, usually no sump, no head not accessories
A long motor is as above but with the head, rocker cover, timing cover (if applicable) and rocker cover attached

The motor is a true forged 6g75, with the cradle bolt upgrade,good for a thousand horsepower.

oh well...sorry, I offered as it's an absolute bargain.


dude you are so full of shit....

:yeahthat: epic!

You two really need to get some couple's therapy.

It's like watching my 2yo and 3yo arguing with each other.

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