View Full Version : How to check cam timing?
Spetz
11-10-2014, 08:32 PM
I know that the cam marks need to line up, but how do I check that cam timing relative to the crankshaft?
And, would this also be the position that the distributor rotor should point towards Cylinder #1?
MadMax
12-10-2014, 03:16 AM
Inner pulley on the crank has a mark on it. Line that up with the zero mark on the plastic cover. Cam marks should then line up and distributor point at 1.
You may need to clean the pulley outer edge to see the mark.
If cams do not line up with their marks, turn crank 1 full turn.
/only turn crank clockwise/
Spetz
12-10-2014, 04:38 AM
Thanks Max,
Do I need to remove any plastic parts for the crank pulley to be visible, like I do for the camshafts?
MadMax
12-10-2014, 05:42 AM
No. But you will need a torch to shine down there, the marks are not highly visible.
When timing lights were used to set ignition timing (a long time ago) I used to clean the marks and mark them with a touch of liquid paper to make them more visible.
Crank pulley mark is on the edge closest to the plastic cam belt cover.
4th picture down, where the guy's thumb is:
http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=2361
Not off a Magna, but it shows the marks you are looking for:
http://austarletclub.com/index.php?/topic/18390-car-problems/
Spetz
12-10-2014, 06:51 AM
And what is my viewing angle?
Is it via the wheel well?
And do the plastics there need to come off or not?
MadMax
12-10-2014, 07:23 AM
From the top. Past the hoses. I between the rear belt runs.
Yep, it is cramped in there.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 07:34 AM
"Yep, it is cramped in there. "
Max, did you mean that the plastics DO need to come off in the wheel well?
MadMax
12-10-2014, 07:47 AM
no, leave plastics on.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 08:00 AM
Ok excellent. Thanks Max I'll go have a look now
Spetz
12-10-2014, 08:10 AM
Max you mentioned to only turn the crank clockwise. What is the issue in turning it counter clockwise?
MadMax
12-10-2014, 08:30 AM
Counterclockwise puts the force of turning the camshafts onto the rear cam belt adjustable roller, which may push the hydraulic tensioner all the way in, which may lead to the belt becoming lose enough to skip teeth. Turning the engine clockwise puts the tension needed to turn the cams on the front roller which is fixed in place. The rear run of the belt, where the hydraulic tensioner is, will be low in tension.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 08:50 AM
Ok, because I had to turn the crank ccw to get the rope out of the cylinder.
Max, these are the pics I took, can you tell me if this is wrong?
Both cams line up on their mark, distributor is at #1 to fire
However, the crank mark is either off, or I do not know what I am looking for.
The pics:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/spetz83/Cammark_zpsf28b0a34.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/spetz83/Crankmark1_zpsb738b19d.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/spetz83/Crankmark2_zpscc8f9132.jpg
MadMax
12-10-2014, 10:57 AM
Looks off.
Put the crank mark on the "0" FIRST, then look at the cam marks front and rear bank.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 11:40 AM
Which one of those is zero exactly?
I think the most visible one is 10?
TW2005
12-10-2014, 12:32 PM
Which one of those is zero exactly?
I think the most visible one is 10?
T = tdc(top dead centre), not sure if I'd get too excited by that amount, my galant is out by that much and runs fine, I've been paranoid about it. So compression looks good, timing probably ok, I think you may need a professional on this one. EGR valve? I'm just throwing ideas, and guessing.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 01:01 PM
I did spin the motor counter clockwise, so it not impossible that the timing belt jumped a tooth.
Also when I first started there was a loud tick/knock that went away which I am thinking now that it may have been the tensioner. I originally thought lifters as I had cleaned and primed them before instaling
MadMax
12-10-2014, 02:43 PM
Turn clockwise two full turns and line up the mark on the pulley with the "T" (= TDC, or "0").
Then look at the cam marks, photo both and let us have a look.
Spetz
12-10-2014, 02:56 PM
I did that Max, I won't post the photo up as they were almost exactly where they should be.
What I did figure out though was the there is no spark for cylinder 4.
Disconnecting injector makes no difference, and removing the lead also makes no difference.
I put the lead on the intake manifold (right up to it) and there was no arcing at all.
I added new:
Distributor cap
Rotor
Leads
I assume that the cap and rotor MUST be fine if the other cylinders are firing?
Must be the lead that is faulty?
I wish I hadn't thrown my old leads out... I can test with a multimeter though?
These were genuine Mitsubishi leads mind you
MadMax
12-10-2014, 04:30 PM
Good the cam timing is ok.
Yep, check no. 4 lead with a multimeter.
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