I am looking at getting the front brakes off a 380 at the wreckers (http://www.jollysupullit.com.au/eziparts/Display_Vehicle.asp?PriceListID=0&VehicleID=514984&Location=jollysupullitcomau&LocationID=2003&VehicleDesc=Mitsubishi%20DB) next week and was just wondering if I need anything besides the discs and calipers? I know that I will need 16" rims, not sure if mine has 16's or 15's.

Regarding your rim size, check your tyre sidewalls. Somewhere you'll see a series of numbers something like 215/60/16 or 205/65/15. The last number is the size of your rim in inches.

They are already gone, including the engine and gearbox. Went there 2 weeks ago cause I was going to get them.

Also in regards to the wheels, only certain styles of 16's will fit. 16 is minimum, but even some 18's haven't cleared due to the spoke design

You need the 380 brake lines as well. See here http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89423

All sorted. Bought a set from Mitsfix (with blue calipers)

Best mod I've done so far! Although I still find the brakes a bit "spongey" anything I can do about that?

https://imageshack.com/i/ipywTCyUj

You've possibly got a small air bubble or two in the brake line(s), try bleeding them again.
Also, if you haven't done it for a while, it might be time to renew the brake fluid.

You've possibly got a small air bubble or two in the brake line(s), try bleeding them again.
Also, if you haven't done it for a while, it might be time to renew the brake fluid.

I know that the brakes were bled when the 380 brakes were put on (Thanks Mal), so it wont need new fluid. Brake fluid looks pretty clean too. I remember talking to Brendon when I was down at Mitsfix and he said the TJ brakes are spongey to begin with so the pedal isnt that firm. Could possibly be too much power assistance, I don't know 100%.

All sorted. Bought a set from Mitsfix (with blue calipers)

Best mod I've done so far! Although I still find the brakes a bit "spongey" anything I can do about that?



I know that the brakes were bled when the 380 brakes were put on (Thanks Mal), so it wont need new fluid. Brake fluid looks pretty clean too. I remember talking to Brendon when I was down at Mitsfix and he said the TJ brakes are spongey to begin with so the pedal isnt that firm. Could possibly be too much power assistance, I don't know 100%.

You have just got them and probably havent adjusted to the feel of them.Initial bit is similar to the old set up ,but .go a shove your foot into them and you will soon realize how much better they are.Different pads can give a different feel as well.

You have just got them and probably havent adjusted to the feel of them.Initial bit is similar to the old set up ,but .go a shove your foot into them and you will soon realize how much better they are.Different pads can give a different feel as well.

Yeah true I probably haven't gotten use to them. As soon as they were done the pedal felt really firm (probably because the brakes were new and not bedded in yet) and its now softer. However I haven't needed to put my foot down hard yet, next time I'm out on the road I will do a bit of a brake test.

Thanks Michael!

Takes a while, a few hundred km, to bed the brakes in. Should get firmer with use.
A lot of pad brands include bedding in procedures in the box with the new pads.
That, or Google it.
Mistreat new pads and they can glaze, then they perform poorly forever.

Yeah true I probably haven't gotten use to them. As soon as they were done the pedal felt really firm (probably because the brakes were new and not bedded in yet) and its now softer. However I haven't needed to put my foot down hard yet, next time I'm out on the road I will do a bit of a brake test.

Thanks Michael!


Should have been one of the first things you did after a few stops bedding in the pads ,if they were new pads

.....learning how hard you can stand on them before the abs kicks in and how much more braking power there is is something you need to know about NOW,not when you need it.

.....learning how hard you can stand on them before the abs kicks in and how much more braking power there is is something you need to know about NOW,not when you need it.

Cool I'll take the car out now. Cheers again Michael

Cool I'll take the car out now. Cheers again Michael
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and just when you think you have stood on them hard,push harder ......lol

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and just when you think you have stood on them hard,push harder ......lol
Lol will do! I'll make sure I give them a good run :happy:

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and just when you think you have stood on them hard,push harder ......lol

Repeat as required to make them smoke badly. Then go out and buy new pads.
Did I mention they need bedding in?

Repeat as required to make them smoke badly. Then go out and buy new pads.
Did I mention they need bedding in?


im talking about once they are bedded in Max......i never told him to go out and "smoke em up "

Its all about about learning the new stopping power of the 380 calipers compared to the pissy stock brakes.

Seeing as you dont have 380 brakes Max ,you cant comment on them.

Seeing as you dont have 380 brakes Max ,you cant comment on them.

380 has bigger discs and bigger pads than a Magna, so I'm assuming they take longer to bed in. Takes a couple of hundred km of normal use on the Magna, but I imagine it depends on the pad material.
Be interesting to see what happens if he hammers them too early, so carry on.

Be interesting to see what happens if he hammers them too early, so carry on.

As Mal said to me the day I had them done "take it easy on the brakes until they bed in" I plan on going easy on them until I've done around 500km in them. Even then I won't brake really hard unless necessary....

As Mal said to me the day I had them done "take it easy on the brakes until they bed in" I plan on going easy on them until I've done around 500km in them. Even then I won't brake really hard unless necessary....

Good idea.
I replaced the front pads on my TJ a while back. Initially they did very little, had to push really hard on a very soft pedal to get any normal braking.
Took quite a while to get them working, now they are fine - good bite with a hard pedal. I'm glad I didn't do both ends at the same time though, otherwise I would have sailed straight through the first red light I came across! Organic pads are like that, apparently.

Mine were worth their weight in gold today - halfwit in front had no brake lights and stopped suddenly - hardest I've ever pressed them I reckon - pulled up very quick.

Mine were worth their weight in gold today - halfwit in front had no brake lights and stopped suddenly - hardest I've ever pressed them I reckon - pulled up very quick.

Wow you are lucky!

I hope you followed said halfwit to inform them of the situation RonRabbit, that could literally kill someone and I would want them to have that on their conscience.

Only used the ABS on my TJ twice.
Some nutter coming around a roundabout the wrong way.
Me daydreaming and the car in front stopping for no reason in a 60 zone, in the middle of the road, no brake lights either. Followed him to "have a word" but he took fright and did a runner. Meh.

Grip of the tyres on the road determine how fast you stop when the ABS does its thing, not the size of the discs and pads. So I will stick to the standard brakes. But I'm sure there are other conditions where the 380 brakes are far superior to the Magna brakes - track work, hooning through the hills, etc.

Lost count of how many vehicles I've seen with no stop lights (although on most, the parcel shelf light still works). And at night, the amount of vehicles with only one working headlight is alarming, to say the least!

Only used the ABS on my TJ twice.


Grip of the tyres on the road determine how fast you stop when the ABS does its thing, not the size of the discs and pads. So I will stick to the standard brakes.

But I'm sure there are other conditions where the 380 brakes are far superior to the Magna brakes - track work, hooning through the hills, etc.........

....................and just in every day driving and GENERAL use,of course you have to go and and say that everyone that mods their car is only to hoon etc...

380 brakes are better ,because ,well, they just are.

If Magna's brakes are so good ,why weren't they std on the 380 ,why ,cause they were crap.

When i need to apply more braking pressure to pull up quicker ,whatever the situation, i will always be thankful of the big twin pistons and larger pad area of the superior 380 Caliper.

Yes the standard Magna brakes are crap however mad max is correct, on normal street use you will stop much better with just upgrading your tyres over brakes.. I have done the brake conversion myself and like the larger brakes much better, they have a better feel and less pedal force to stop the car but with a single stop it all comes down to tyres, hence why there are countless tyre comparisons which involve braking distance.. It's like if you give your car more power when it already has no traction, your not gunna go any faster until you get traction

Also the reason the 380 has upgraded brakes over the Magna is because it weighs more and the little Magna brakes would heat up too much trying to stop the extra weight.. Same reason why small cars still run tiny single piston brakes and some even still have rear drums, they don't need anything bigger because they are lighter and use less braking force to stop

380 brakes are better ,because ,well, they just are.

If Magna's brakes are so good ,why weren't they std on the 380 ,why ,cause they were crap.


That's exactly why I upgraded mine to 380 brakes. As mal said, they're much bigger and thicker discs and the pads have 50% more surface area on them. He said that the magna should have come standard with bigger brakes than it did.

That in itself is a testimony to how much better 380 brakes are than standard magna ones!

I would recommend anyone with a magna to upgrade to 380 front brakes, it doesn't cost an arm and a leg and they may come in handy one day when you get caught out.

Thankfully that hasn't happened to me yet.

http://stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/brake-system-and-upgrade-selection

....................and just in every day driving and GENERAL use,of course you have to go and and say that everyone that mods their car is only to hoon etc...

380 brakes are better ,because ,well, they just are.

If Magna's brakes are so good ,why weren't they std on the 380 ,why ,cause they were crap.

When i need to apply more braking pressure to pull up quicker ,whatever the situation, i will always be thankful of the big twin pistons and larger pad area of the superior 380 Caliper.

Yes, they are better, without a doubt. Better fade resistance, I bet 380 brakes with quality pads would be working well long after my Magna brakes with $35 pads are smoking and not working. - on the track, or some "spirited" hill work. (not using the other word as it seems to upset you lol)

For around town though, I'd invest in good quality front tyres before upping the brakes to 380 units.
Obviously, good tyres + 380 brakes will outperform Magna brakes with 10 year old RE92s on the rims.
No argument there. But once the ABS kicks in, its the tyres and not the brakes that determine your stopping distance.

I hope you followed said halfwit to inform them of the situation RonRabbit, that could literally kill someone and I would want them to have that on their conscience.

They sped off - while I was still collecting myself - driving too fast as well.

Just upgrading the pads on the std. Magna brakes makes a big difference.

They sped off - while I was still collecting myself - driving too fast as well.

Possibly a stolen vehicle then

Hey guys I did my 380 brake conversion quite a while ago and it made a huge difference in stoping distance. I also have extra wide falcon advanti's.

My point/question is that is it legal to convert to the 380 brakes as I was pulled over late last year and the officer ordered me off the road until I got a mod plate for the brakes. He knew they weren't standard without my comment.

I'll leave that out there for comments.
Sorry for the hijack

Not sure about Queensland but perfectly legal in vic.. Vic roads roadworthiness requirements don't state anything about upgrading brakes just that the brake components must function correctly, be securely mounted, appropriately located and free from visible wear, distortion or damage likely to cause failure, malfunction or uneven application. Can't see other states being much different.. Some cops honestly do not know what they are talking about or are miss informed on certain rules, it's the same thing about some will say painted brakes are illegal as it keeps too much heat in the brakes and can cause them to fail quicker

Not sure about Queensland but perfectly legal in vic.. Vic roads roadworthiness requirements don't state anything about upgrading brakes just that the brake components must function correctly, be securely mounted, appropriately located and free from visible wear, distortion or damage likely to cause failure, malfunction or uneven application. Can't see other states being much different.. Some cops honestly do not know what they are talking about or are miss informed on certain rules, it's the same thing about some will say painted brakes are illegal as it keeps too much heat in the brakes and can cause them to fail quicker

speaking of being misinformed the 380 brakes weren't optional on the Magna so in Victoria you WILL NEED the brakes certified. it's under section 8 of the modification guidelines on the vicroads website:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsinumber8guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.ash x?la=en

But would anyone in Vicroads notice?

speaking of being misinformed the 380 brakes weren't optional on the Magna so in Victoria you WILL NEED the brakes certified. it's under section 8 of the modification guidelines on the vicroads website:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsinumber8guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.ash x?la=en

Just read the link, and you are correct.
Up to the owner to find a qualified engineer and convince him the 380 brakes are a safe upgrade. Shouldn't be too hard, or cost too much. Hopefully.

Sorry you are correct I was reading roadworthy requirements off the vic roads website ha ha.. With that though the Ralliart came with them, so would that pass a tj Magna then? And I know they are slight differences but the awd Magna have twin pot brakes so if I get questioned on this I'll be saying mine are off the same model awd

Well you would be the first to have this happen. I have had so many cars through RWC and then off to Vic roads for registration it is not funny. My own wagon went through this only this week and not a single comment anywhere.

For a Police member to know they are not standard is a real stretch especially looking through a set of wheels to see them.

Getting the plated should not be an issue, same diameter rotor as an AWD, bolt straight up, from same manufacturer as well.

Hell, even people get away with Brembo's down here.

everyone can argue til they're blue in the face but the simple fact is that YOU DO NEED A MOD PLATE IN VICTORIA and possibly other states. its the law.

you pay your rego. you pay insurance. you pay to get your car serviced. whats the issue with getting the mod certified?

Let's not start a flame war.
If you have 380 brakes on the front, your choice if you get it certified or not.
Yes, you should, to be street legal, but are you likely to get in the sh#t over it?

The officer that pulled me over looked inside the wheel at the calipers and said that they are not stock and that I needed a mod plate.

The odds of another copper knowing what brakes are on a magna is very slim but it happened. This was in caboolture too so funnyer still.

The car was a TH magna and was more modified than not so I would say it was my fault in the short answer. And they were painted red for an extra 25kw.

But I like the comment about the ralliart/awd calipers. Were they the same as the 380 ones. Thanks for an answer.

If you read Section 4 The last thing it states is : Equipment or Accessories equivalent in Quality, Performance, and Safety to those fitted to the vehicle... lets see... Quality = Same... OEM Mitsubishi, Performance = Better... Safety = Better... therefore it meets the equivalency requirement and does NOT require approval

Painted red is why you were stung.

Get them certified regardless of whether you think you will get caught. It's the law.

Ok so not to start another debate but thought I would investigate this as police in Bendigo are rather strict, according to a registered engineer you do not need to get a mod plate for the brakes as they came standard on the mitsubishi magna Ralliart which is the same make and model.. He did however say that with the 380 engine upgrade the brake upgrade needs to go with it to match the extra displacement, however VicRoads aren't the brightest bunch so passed mine anyway.. This is for Victoria, I'm not sure about other states

It is funny as an engineer I have spoken to here in Vic stated the following

Brakes from the 380 are bolt on with no modification to mounting points, they use the same diameter rotor as the Ralliart (was not interested in the AWD as is a different platform) and finally is from the same manufacturer. The 380 runs the same master cyl bore size as well so in his opinion there is no need to plate these brakes.

Yeah that was pretty much what I got told mal, the problem is VicRoads is not 100% clear on what is legal and what crosses the line

I think as with many things car related, it depends who you ask and how they interpret the guidelines.

However as a general rule if you are playing around with brakes, often many members of the authorities are going to get nervous and be super vigilant.

Not necessarily a bad thing though, and I would think a 380 upgrade should not cause too many drama's, just a pain in the butt to have to spend extra time and money for something common sense should tell you would work better than standard

I took my GTVi to a dealership a few months back, they changed all fluids, including brake fluids. When I picked up the car, I said to them, so what did you think of the 380 brakes? The guy had a blank stare and said he didn't notice. lol...told him get back on your bike sunshine... :)

cant say im surprised.

Isn't the 380 caliper 2 piston? I'm guessing its only got one bleed nipple if he didn't notice.
I bet they wouldn't notice a 6g75 either.