Before buying a box .. Can anyone tell if a f5m3 (from photo that's all that's stamped) will fit ??

edit I see the mounts are the same. Just being careful re compatibility as the wsm says f5m33

It appears that the f5m3 will fit onto the 6g72 but may bring with it a set of mismatches like cv shafts. Not sure about the ecu, one person says it works to keep the auto ecu other not.

Perhaps for reference if a list of all things needed can be put together over time, as this conversion is going to take time, all bits prob being sourced from different places.

Aoparently the innards are the same as the f5m33 so it could be used as a source of parts for a rebuild of a box, but at 125 plus 165 freight seems a dodgy choice.

I do want to convert to manual. I'd hoped to do it when I next garage the ts370000. It'd be nice to have a complete manual wreck to work off. Anyone got one or know where one is?

my research says a F5M3 series from a GT 3000 or stealth 1991–1996 should have a LSD


any aussie TR/TS V6 manual will fit into the auto conversion plan of yours

so look around for a wreckers half cut / pickles salvage sales/auctions /write off wrecks , gumtree,trading post ,

a donor car is advised because of all the bits you do need for the conversion and I wouldnt fit a dual clutch myself

deanimus V6 manual conversion 2007 pic and write ups ....2015 he is doing it again

but no longer active in this forum........ he has a gmail addy if you need it

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54917

the F5M33 manual gearbox repair in pdf
http://www.mivec.co.nz/tech/F5M22_Gearbox_Manual.pdf

wiki source

F5M33 (M/T FWD 1991-1999)

DOHC and SOHC non-turbo models
Gear Overall Indiv.
1st 12.833 3.090
2nd 7.612 1.833
3rd 5.054 1.217
4th 3.688 0.888
5th 3.077 0.741
Reverse 13.148 3.166
Final n/a 4.153


when I put in a manual engine into and auto as a replacement motor
I found the crank of that manual V6 engine did not bolt the flex plate correctly >> two bolts out of line flex plate to the crank

this topic is the same as your question on the F5M33 to a 6G72 engine block

but its -- from an american forum source
http://www.3si.org/forum/f117/f5m33-trans-6g72-621186/

Auto TCU appears to read some data from the engine ECU when running, but it may only be one-way comms. ECU may not care if it isn't being asked for data by the TCU.

If your car has cruise control you'll need to fudge certain switches and signals that are normally fed from the auto box and TCU to allow it to correctly engage cruise.

Thank you very much, just the info needed.

Now, to get a hold of a donor car or two. Pretty rare I hear. I've been looking locally. I was even thinking, later in the year, to go across the nullarbor with a trailer to pick up bits on the way. Buy and store on the way over and then pick up on the way back once I've got what's needed.

Anyway thanks muchly.

urgent : will a manual gearbox off a 2.6 l magna ts 1994 fit the 6g72 v6 engine?

the 4 cyl is the same box as the TP magna... really - diff splines not interchangable

different drive shafts wont bolt on

--are TR/TS V6 manual sedans that rare in WA ....

make sure you get to check out the car and box on all gears / if you cant.. or get it cheap as .

specially 4th and 5th gear ..the gears can drop out all the time

the syncros are ceramic and hard to source

ok, thank you.

Are the parts like linkages etc et.c compatible with a 6g72 manual gearbox?

edit add : that could be a use for it. It's a complete working 2.6 1994 ts. Can I scavenge parts for the change if I can find the right box?

both are cables shifting on 4s and V6 thats as much as I know

..check that the rubber mount at the shift selector is ok


this will help you a bit has the F5M33 manual gearbox in pdf

http://www.mivec.co.nz/tech/F5M22_Gearbox_Manual.pdf

cant find the manual cable parts online for a 4 or a V6

----- must have to source from a wrecker
safer if you use the V6 stuff

interesting question if you think about for 4 cyl parts

dont know--- the shift stick- cables bushes - pedal box and master and slave no Idea if they are the same and are exactly bolt on


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I got about 4 hours to decide. I'm tempted as there are many other parts, panels, doors and near new tyres. It wouldn't surprise me if peripheral gearbox things match and I suppose I wouldn't be surprised some don't.

buy one V6 manual sedan .. interstate

see if a member wants a few days off /paid hoilday

he/she can// fang it( drive it like you stole it )
over the nullabore for you --- then fly him/her home economy :hmm:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1624792#poststop

page 16 and 17 lists of that PDF

... could be a start in a conversion. Hmmm...

I'm leaning towards a pass, but on the other hand one of my wrecks is nearly stripped now and I want a replacement for it. Perhaps (it's a carburetted 2.6 and runs well, 186000) I can take what I need and lift out the box and the engine and sell them.

edit : partial double post, typos

Having thought about it. Thanks for the feedback...

It's something I wouldn't have considered at all if it wasn't for looking for a box. Which makes it an impulse buy and not needed. I will pass and keep looking knowing a bit more now what I'm after. Thank you again.

no point buying any four cyl unless you can resell it at a profit >>to fund your manual conversion

if the 4 cyl was an EFI sure

parts wise being a carby you already know whats sellable

Pleasant surprise to me : Got a 1993 TR manual V6 unregistered, complete, well mainatined, runs very well, flaking paint, some body damage. Cosmetics matters a bit but takes second place for me. Got plenty of time, motivation, tools etc.

1994 TS (2, 'old' and young') with the extras of cruise, airbag, ABS.

What problems to work out regarding ECU's and the extras? ?

I can always re-register the TR as is if necessary and have my manual, ... or shift the manual to the TS, the extras to the TR, the manual to the TS and the auto to the TR? My mind goes round and round trying to figure out pros and cons.

What's the deal breaker.??

What's the deal breaker.??

Path of least resistance, whichever is easiest?
Register one when the rego on the other runs out, spend the time working on the unregistered car, then swap them over.
I had a TS V6 wagon auto and a 2.6L manual sedan and did that for a few years. (But then I discovered the third gens. lol)

would like a picture of the recently purchased TR V6 manual

you seem to have gone far as you can on the other car till you start its manual conversion

I would have to drive both --very fast-- to be sure :woot:

The TR (304000) is at a mates place on the outskirts of the city, I spent the weekend checking it out and will get a permit to go down and drive it up next weekend. I'll be doing highway speeds then. blotchy peeling faded red, damaged boot, rear quarter. solid maintenance record, pile of impressive receipts.

Used the ts370000 auto to drive and do all that. It runs fine. Some body damage, good white all over. just on 395000 now

The young TS auto 136000 k's 1994, (same as the 370000, both advances) is in excellent condition apart from fixing the dual fuel snag. good blue, vg body.

plus two 1994 wagons (TS, TR without options) with lots of good panels, parts.

All up 5 v6 engines, 3 auto gearboxes, 4 auto ECU, TCU (two off TS's with options, SRS, ABS, Cruise), 1 manual gearbox w manual ECU, three sedans, two wagons. plus various other doors, panels, bumpers incl the one with fog lamps, and bits and pieces in boxes.

now you have too much...

..
you better get a titan shed

these parts will soon be hard to find

True. I've spent the last half year organising for a trim down. fortunately space is not a problem.

Main issue now is cobbling all that together into a couple of good vehicles with needed spares to keep and possibly one to sell if there's enough left over. I also want a spare manual gearbox.

The problem I have there is a lack of knowledge of ECU's TCU's and the TS's optional extras, and the auto, manual gearboxes: ECU TCU compatibilities. Perhaps that can decide what goes with what.

quote [The TR (304000) is at a mates place on the outskirts of the city, I spent the weekend checking it out and will get a permit to go down and drive it up next weekend. I'll be doing highway speeds then. blotchy peeling faded red, damaged boot, rear quarter. solid maintenance record, pile of impressive receipts.

Used the ts370000 auto to drive and do all that. It runs fine. Some body damage, good white all over. just on 395000 now

The young TS auto 136000 k's 1994, (same as the 370000, both advances) is in excellent condition apart from fixing the dual fuel snag. good blue, vg body.

plus two 1994 wagons (TS, TR without options) with lots of good panels, parts.

All up 5 v6 engines, 3 auto gearboxes, 4 auto ECU, TCU (two off TS's with options, SRS, ABS, Cruise), 1 manual gearbox w manual ECU, three sedans, two wagons. plus various other doors, panels, bumpers incl the one with fog lamps, and bits and pieces in boxes. ]

unplugs and plugs in

record the numbers and letters on the ECU and TCU units

you will need the entire wiring layouts especially the extra options information

when ready toss in pictures of the ECU TCU stash

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dont know eneough about cruz systems

when you say options ..thats harder if you are going to play around and add them to a vehicle

I thought the ABS an SRS had its own controll unit .

whats that box thing is under the centre console of a TS sedan



ECU with automatic has wires connecting the TCU thats the difference

ECU manual still plugs in same way .. but has no need to recognise the automatic

The manual and auto ecu can be swapped and should run the engine

the Tcu is for the tranny it can stay fitted- in the manually converted car .just wont find the auto

unplugs and plugs in
dont know eneough about cruz systems

when you say options ..thats harder if you are going to play around and add them to a vehicle

I thought the ABS an SRS had its own controll unit .

whats that box thing is under the centre console of a TS sedan

From looking at the diagrams it should be possible to adapt a cruise computer from an auto to a manual. It's just a matter of fooling the cruise computer to think the auto box is present and doing its thing (OD switch, shifter position, inhibitor switch, brake switch etc)

ABS computer is in the rear cargo wall behind the fuel filler cap. Doesn't care what the other ECUs are doing.

Box under centre console is SRS computer. I'd be cautious of playing around with this one if there's any chance of accidentally setting off the airbag.

Adding feautres may be a lot of hassle as the ECU is just one small component of the feature itself. ABS needs wheel speed sensors, pumps, valves, piping, wiring looms etc. SRS needs wiring looms, steering wheel with airbag module, impact sensors, etc.

Self-installed/transplanted safety equipment may void your insurance if you ever need to make a claim.

Transplanting electronic suspension control from the Verada is probably daydreaming.

Climate control maybe???

Thank you. The information/opinions are helping me to decide what to do.

I drove the manual home last night. It truly was a pleasure to drive one again after 10 odd years with an auto. In a way a manual is a cruise control with more driver control. There's one stretch where the speed limit drops for a few k's and it's always one where I have to watch the auto as it easily creeps over the limit when not in cruise. The manual tells me what's going on and it's easy to stay below.

I want a roobar and no SRS is ok with me.

While I've experienced the value of ABS I can do without it.

I like the simplicity of a feature less car. Fewer things to go wrong.

It looks like the 1994 TS Advances's are out and the 1993 TR Executive is in. I'll sell the TS's as a pair with a spare auto box and clear the deck and buy a light bike. Perhaps a CB250 or even a postie bike, plus a spare manual donor car when I come across one.