hey, im looking at buying a sports model magna (manual) and was wondering why, on redbook do they show 3 models with the same engine in them having different kw power outputs??? see - http://www.redbook.com.au/Vehiclesearch/comp3specs.asp?firstkey=MITS00FC&secondkey=MITS00HV&thirdkey=MITS01IA

Is this just a mistake or are there slight upgrades on some and not on others (eg. exhaust), and could anyone let me know wot other mechanical differences there might be, not cosmetic or interior though.

Cheers

hey, im looking at buying a sports model magna (manual) and was wondering why, on redbook do they show 3 models with the same engine in them having different kw power outputs??? see - http://www.redbook.com.au/Vehiclesearch/comp3specs.asp?firstkey=MITS00FC&secondkey=MITS00HV&thirdkey=MITS01IA

Is this just a mistake or are there slight upgrades on some and not on others (eg. exhaust), and could anyone let me know wot other mechanical differences there might be, not cosmetic or interior though.

Cheers

may not b 100% correct but:

from TJ - TJ series II ... the non-sport models received a retweaked ECU uping kW from 150 - 155... and torque from 300Nm to 316Nm

TJ sports and vrxs have always had 163kW and 317Nm... due to sports muffler


THs had 147kW .... read somewhere that when the the 6g74 was tweaked with US spec cams when they released the TJs... there was probably a retweaking of the ECU too but am not certain.

i gather that any slight performance differences between the models is easily gained aftermarket??

A Pod filter, Pacemaker headers and a Lukey Muffler should help bridge the power gap with no worries and at a reasonable price too.

Then if you are still hungury for more a piggy-back ecu and ralliart or stage 1 cams should do nicely to give you more N/A power!

Redbook often get their facts wrong, or generalise across a whole model range. You're lucky any of the sports models read 163kW. I was confused for a while when I was first looking at the models because my memory told me they had 163kW, redbook said 155kW and mitsu were already at series 2 so I couldn't check. Now they reckon TJ MY02 are 155?

All TJ Sports and VR-X models are 163kW, the only difference between them and the lesser model range seems to be the rear muffler, so yeah, you can take any of them up to the same spec for about $250 fitted at your local muffler store. But the equipment levels between TJ series 2 and TJ series 1 or TH is different. You need a series 2 (or at least the mid-series refresh like mine) before you get the digital tacho, climate control and the VR-X spec sound system.

To confirm what others have said and to add some more details....

The TH 3.5 Sport has 147kw & 300nm.
Both series 1 & 2 TJ Sport's (& VRX's) have 163kw & 317nm.
The 155kw & 316nm figures do exist but are not from the Sports. They are for other TJ models like the V6SI, Advance & Executive.

The mechanical differences between the TH & TJ Sports are....
1) Exhaust - different rear muffler & small centre section (not sure exactly what section though). Rest of exhaust is same size, just under 2.5inch mandrel bent.
2) ECU was fiddled with on TJ.
3) Cams - Not sure if they are the same cams with timing adjusted or new cams, but no major differences. Bigger, significant cam change was done for the Ralliart model.

No differences with brakes, suspension, driveline etc.

You can make up all this lost power & more on the TH with a few simple mods - many have done this - so don't be too put off by the difference. Most people with TJ's end up doing the same mods themselves in search of more power anyway.

Although it does make sense to get a TJ if the price difference is negligable - but probably more for the few equipment changes mentioned by cthulhu - but i like the front end look of my TH better.

I believe the 155kw & 316nm cars have the same specs as TJ Sports with exception of quieter & more restrictive muffler. Honestly don't know if this upgrade came with series 2 TJ or earlier as my information shows year 2000 model TJ's were also rated the same - but did find a 2000 Solara model rated at 150kw & 300nm.

To further confuse the issue the AWD TJ Sports has 159kw & 318nm (different exhaust to clear rear diffs i think).

I have posted this on a few other threads but here it is again. Research all Magna's - nay, every type of car - here. (http://research.carsguide.news.com.au/news/research_new.jsp) It really is a very usefull site and i believe the specs are pretty accurate as they come directly from the manufacturer.

Hope that all helps.

cheers for the prompt replies so far guys. helps me understand the different specs a bit more. If anyone has anything else to add please do so, the more the merrier as long as it is fact.

Here's some of the problem with the AWD TJ2 output!

The TJ2 have a different ECU - 1 unit runs the tranny and engine, previously two controllers.

cheers for the prompt replies so far guys. helps me understand the different specs a bit more. If anyone has anything else to add please do so, the more the merrier as long as it is fact.mate, the cams change from the TH to TJ+ was done to allow the engine to rev harder and smoother (like the ol' 3L). The TH doesn't really sound like its enjoying much above 5000rpm, where the TJ+ engines do.... however.... the TH (from my experience) has a better bottom end (as it was initially intended to compete with 'dore and falcon bottom ends) than the latter models (Ralliart excepted)...

mods to any of these will change this to some extent (eg, the exhaust mod greatly improved my TH in the top end! :D ) it just depends on how far you want to take it! If you were to change the exhaust, cams and stick a piggyback ecu on, then in essence, they should all be the same!!!

EDIT: oh yeah, looking at that Redbook stats, obviously its wrong, its got all the cars doing the same 0-100km/h FFS! apart from price estimates i wouldn't take to much of that for granted!

I just bought a Solara TJ Sedan 2000 model (Auto) how many Kw's are they? the redbook shows only for the manual..

I just bought a Solara TJ Sedan 2000 model (Auto) how many Kw's are they? the redbook shows only for the manual..

standard output:

power = 150kW @ 5k
torque = 300Nm @ 4k

is it possible to install a t04 turbo on the Tj Solara 2000 (auto) ?

is it possible to install a t04 turbo on the Tj Solara 2000 (auto) ?

everything is possible .... just depends on how much $$ is available

there are a couple of turboed 3rd gens on AM ...

booya (http://www.booyamotorsport.com )

velocity (http://www.itekonline.com.au/velocity/magna.htm)

and btw if u r seriously considering a turbo... the gearbox would need to make way for a manual or at least be conditioned to take all the extra power

what modifications can i make to it to push it over 220kw?

supercharge + extractors,exhaust, pod filter etc...should do the trick b4 goin to tcharge

so u saying i should supercharge it then from supercharge move it onto a turbo?

no i mean sc than tc coz its cheaper but it depends on u how pwer u really afta and how much money can u release

tc means turbocharge am i right?, im willing to spend up to 5-7k for now

yes , and that much money is good for sc and some other mods

wouldnt it cost more to sc then to tc it, i can buy a T04 turbo for around $600 brand new but then what else will i have to buy to get it done, does the engine needs modification or will it fit straight fowards

tc will cost u an arm coz u'll change a lot of things like ur pistons etc.. while sc all u need is the unit and pulleys and thats it

So should i SC then get mods or get Mods then SC wat should i be doing first?

well u can do the mods then sc now if ur thinkin a piggy back chip then do it afta all the mods and sc.

Here's some of the problem with the AWD TJ2 output!

The TJ2 have a different ECU - 1 unit runs the tranny and engine, previously two controllers.

All 3rd gen magnas have 1 ECU which combines the engine and auto computer and the manual has a different engine ECU again. :)

If your a good driver any magna will suite.

Just... GET A ****ING MANUAL, if you mod you want to play with the power more.

and btw if u r seriously considering a turbo... the gearbox would need to make way for a manual or at least be conditioned to take all the extra power


the very first ever australian turbo magna is a tiptronic auto and stock gear box as far as i know and he was saying he is around 300kw atw's ......... dont quote me on that though