Just curious how much the sound of my car would change if i did a centre muffler delete. i currently have a 70% gutted supercat muffler on the rear, sounds pretty good just looking to make it a little louder. is the 3.5l engine.

Just curious how much the sound of my car would change if i did a centre muffler delete. i currently have a 70% gutted supercat muffler on the rear, sounds pretty good just looking to make it a little louder. is the 3.5l engine.

That middle muffler is a resonator. If you remove it it will be a fair bit louder and you will enter drone city big time. Don't do it!

That middle muffler is a resonator. If you remove it it will be a fair bit louder and you will enter drone city big time. Don't do it!

Not 100% true. I've been in two manuals that have had no resonators (yes both the large and the tiny hotdog removed) and they only had lukey sports rear mufflers and they sounded great and cruised at low noise. That being said my old AWD only had a rear sports muffler and droned like a boss, auto.

my car drones the a muddafugger how it is now, driving at 60 up a hill it feels like bass coming from a really good subwoofer. cruising on flat/slight inclines it doesn't. droning would not be bad for me as i like to have music up loud (gotta feel the music not just listen to it) so a drone i can feel make it better to drive IMO.

Not so nice for many others within hearing distance of a Doppler RedShifted Drone.
There's a legal reason for resonators to be fitted.

Not so nice for many others within hearing distance of a Doppler RedShifted Drone.
There's a legal reason for resonators to be fitted.

Not to mention that long term exposure to a low frequency drone plays havoc with your hearing and stuffs it up big time in the high frequency range.
You don't notice until you listen to some squeaky voiced kid/missus and need to tell them to speak up. People asking you why you talk so loud, need the TV or radio up so loud, etc are clear indications of hearing loss. (#OldBlokesProblems?)

The resonator stays! Mmmmkay?

okay i just have this question now, i dont want any you should or shouldnt yet just want to know if cutting this tip off where it is welded to the non shiny part will change the tone, aka will taking the tip off or changing it to a smaller on change the tone/sound (tip is 4 or 4.5 inch i think)
http://imgur.com/GU3SNu4

okay i just have this question now, i dont want any you should or shouldnt yet just want to know if cutting this tip off where it is welded to the non shiny part will change the tone, aka will taking the tip off or changing it to a smaller on change the tone/sound (tip is 4 or 4.5 inch i think)
http://imgur.com/GU3SNu4

HAHAHA not this again

https://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif

You've started four threads in the past month and a half asking the same question, and you get the same answers.
Get a decent sports muffler and ditch that shitty gutted-out mess. Changing muffler tips will do nothing (unless its a tip angled downwards, then you're reverberating the sound of a shitty gutted-out mess off bitumen).

If you're looking for a sound akin to a riced-out fartcan

Still better than a Commodore with a h-u-g-e exhaust sounding like a two stroke Victa at full revs in a huge stormwater drain. lol

By all means cut the tip off. Not only will you make your car instantly illegal, you may well get a coating of carbon on your bumper, if your engine burns oil at all.

alright to all of you negative useless humans, i cut the tip off and installed a spare piece of 2.5inch piping and it did change the sound quite a bit. wasnt stupid loud was the same volume but a better frequency.
when at upullit to get something for my other car when i stumbled across a magnaflow cannnon, 22 bucks later and i got the exact tone i was looking for, not the typical drone of a canon but i nice frequency note. so finally i have succeeded in finding the right exhaust set up, and the fact that i took it to the mechanic today and when he test drove it he said it runs alot better now than when my mother owned it (i've put on pod filter while still being protected from and heat and the cannon since i bought it) so to all the people who tell others to not do things just because they dont think it will work. do you friggen research. mergner owner out.

alright to all of you negative useless humans, i cut the tip off and installed a spare piece of 2.5inch piping and it did change the sound quite a bit. wasnt stupid loud was the same volume but a better frequency.
when at upullit to get something for my other car when i stumbled across a magnaflow cannnon, 22 bucks later and i got the exact tone i was looking for, not the typical drone of a canon but i nice frequency note. so finally i have succeeded in finding the right exhaust set up, and the fact that i took it to the mechanic today and when he test drove it he said it runs alot better now than when my mother owned it (i've put on pod filter while still being protected from and heat and the cannon since i bought it) so to all the people who tell others to not do things just because they dont think it will work. do you friggen research. mergner owner out.

So.. what you're saying is you got rid of that gutted-out mess and put on a decent muffler?


so to all the people who tell others to not do things just because they dont think it will work. do you friggen research.

Or... ask the same question four times, have a cry when you don't get the answers you wanted, then figure out your idea of gutting mufflers is garbage and then take the advice you arced up over anyway?
Oh, the "friggen research" has already been done on pod filters for Magnas. I look forward to reading your next thread about how your MAF is stuffed. Again.


...mergner owner out

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/transparanoir/4415b4c486f05f9feea1bdecf976d224.jpg

I'm just going to leave this here and back away slowly...

http://i2.wp.com/theverybesttop10.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Top-10-Pimp-my-Ride-Fails-9.jpg?resize=510%2C378

Sure you can back that car with all this forward pushing exhaust!!!!!!!!!!

PS: I object to being called a negative useless human on account of someone's "nonsensical flimsy".

I'm just going to leave this here and back away slowly...

http://i2.wp.com/theverybesttop10.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Top-10-Pimp-my-Ride-Fails-9.jpg?resize=510%2C378
:roflwtf:

alright to all of you negative useless humans, i cut the tip off and installed a spare piece of 2.5inch piping and it did change the sound quite a bit. wasnt stupid loud was the same volume but a better frequency.
when at upullit to get something for my other car when i stumbled across a magnaflow cannnon, 22 bucks later and i got the exact tone i was looking for, not the typical drone of a canon but i nice frequency note. so finally i have succeeded in finding the right exhaust set up, and the fact that i took it to the mechanic today and when he test drove it he said it runs alot better now than when my mother owned it (i've put on pod filter while still being protected from and heat and the cannon since i bought it) so to all the people who tell others to not do things just because they dont think it will work. do you friggen research. mergner owner out.

Just because our logic does not meet your blind ignorance doesn't mean we're being negative useless human beings. The exhaust note is set by the exhaust diameter, bends, mufflers... not the exhaust tip on the end you knobhead.

Nice to see some young hothead feels he knows better than anyone else, and needs to prove it on a forum. (And not expect a backlash, criticism or pure victimisation, and name calling! lol)

An older, more mature person would just shuddup, sit back and gloat quietly over his personal success. lol

. . . .but honestly, your mother's cast off car? And you want to hot it up with exhaust bits from a wreckers? How low can you go?

I'm just going to leave this here and back away slowly...

http://i2.wp.com/theverybesttop10.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Top-10-Pimp-my-Ride-Fails-9.jpg?resize=510%2C378

The reclining Buddha on the parcel shelf and exhaust say it all! This is a Friday night "cruisin'-for-pussy" machine. Bet the girls just love it!

okay i just have this question now, i dont want any you should or shouldnt yet just want to know if cutting this tip off where it is welded to the non shiny part will change the tone, aka will taking the tip off or changing it to a smaller on change the tone/sound (tip is 4 or 4.5 inch i think)
http://imgur.com/GU3SNu4

I had a couple of chrome tips welded on my TL and it's given it a raspier note.


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/pies%20stuff/Cars/2C960EAD-0AA4-4B59-9891-72A9A0923165_zpslqxr4skb.jpg (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/tessa403/media/pies%20stuff/Cars/2C960EAD-0AA4-4B59-9891-72A9A0923165_zpslqxr4skb.jpg.html)

Righty o, I'll choose to ignore the adhominems (from both sides) and add my 2 cents worth.
I know its a bit late in the piece, but resonator deletes on a magna never sound good to my ears. Turns magna V6s into loud and raspy fart cans...
Much better off leaving the resonator(s) on and going for a quality, smaller sized straight through muffler if you want to make your exhaust note louder while still sounding good.

Well, I reckon I have you all beaten in terms of exhaust. None. Right? RIGHT??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVY75ZsNtYA

Useful tip for DaleMagna:

No need to chop out resonators, cut of the exhaust tips, scavenge the wreckers.
Heck, just loop record the above exhaust drone onto a USB stick, then play it back with the volume up Up UP.
Finally a use for that 5000 watt subwoofer in the boot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS - Patent Pending.

Hey guys, I currently have an 04 VR wagon (factory sport muffler) and it's heading near the 200k mark.....Cat converters are not a legal requirement for this vehicle in NZ so I was thinking of pulling it off....I would still retain the factory resonators....how do you think it would sound?

Righty o, I'll choose to ignore the adhominems and add my 2 cents worth.
I know its a bit late in the piece, but resonator deletes on a magna never sound good to my ears. Turns magna V6s into loud and raspy fart cans...
Much better off leaving the resonator(s) on and going for a quality, smaller sized straight through muffler if you want to make your exhaust note louder while still sounding good.
thanks ADM that the exact thing i was looking for, no idea what these other guys were trying to say. the cannon was quite a small one which gave it a nice note (3 inch outlet 2.5inlet) and only 4.5 in diameter

and to all other, was i am saying is you gave answer buts no reason why, no details into the answers. my example is this. "you should never give a rabbit ice berg lettuce, its bad just dont do it" (this is what you guys were saying) where as the reply hould have gone more like "you shouldnt give rabbits ice berg lettuce as it can mess with thier inside causing them to get diarrhea which can get stuck to their fur and attract flys and bugs which can then get diseases and kill them" this was the only example i could give you guys being as most of you wouldnt know that if i didnt tell you which leaves you in the same position i was ready your shitty replies

You asked "can I remove the resonator", we said NO cause its illegal, we said NO cause its a risk to hearing.
Those were clear and precise reasons that override anything to do with silly Car Attributes.
"feed rabbit crap" you get "shitty rabbit" - great example - on a PET forum.

Problem is mate you only want supportive comment and when people don't comply to that expectation they are called simply useless.

Now, the resonant frequency of a piece of pipe depends on its volume, length, and port diameter.
The bit of pipe at the end of the exhaust is very small and contributes little in the overall sound of the exhaust system.
Changing a little bit to another little bit amounts to a change of Little bit X - little bit Y = Bugger all.
You would get a bigger noise effect by drilling a hole in the muffler (bigger percentage change in port diameter on a more substantial exhaust component !!!!).

Nothing wrong with playing with the exhaust bits for getting that sweet note - just keep the mods within legal constraints.

Hi Dale,

What you are again saying is untrue unfortunately. You've asked this question a couple of times now and then proceeded to ask about the exhaust tip again. Then flat out say we didn't provide sufficient enough information for us to seem believable.

If you want scientific detail I'm afraid you are in the wrong place. You asked how to make your car a little bit louder. Everyone was of the consensus that removing your center muffler would make it too loud as you have an auto it would be even worse, uncontrollably loud and droney which is widely uncontrollable when you have a slushy. So yea, you never asked for great detail but the responses as they stand answered your main question. If you wanted greater detail to sway you I'm more than happy to provide.

So, if you do indeed want to make it a bit louder and not have it overbearing you will have to shop for a proper rear muffler and not a half gutter supercat muffler. I suggest a lukey turbo (not a super turbo).

A lukey turbo at the end combined with a piece of straight pipe replacing your middle muffler will give most of the noise reduction job to the small hotdog and the lukey turbo rear offset muffler which remain in your exhaust system. With so little left in your exhaust system actually trying to muffle the sound even the cat converter will come in to play in helping keep it quiet a bit at this stage. Stick to 2.5" throughout as anything more than this is overkill.

Anyway, I doubt this will happen as it costs money to carry out the above sequence of changes but just to say we told you so when you go ahead and delete that center muffler anyway.

PS. Dramatically changing exhaust tips from a dump tip to a straight back twin tip can change the noise a little bit but it's the exhaust system (headers, cat, piping diameter, mufflers, resonators) that controls the tone and loudness of your exhaust, not the tip. I'm sorry but that's just a fact.

Dale needs to realise a lot of forum members have gone through the hotting up the Magna noise wise by fudging around with the exhaust, and have come up with solutions that suit them.
Trust them to know what they are talking about, it is based on experience - asking for detailed explanations before you are prepared to believe anyone is just rude.

But feel free to continue on your current path in the search for the perfect sound, and good luck. lol It's such a personal thing that a 100 Magna owners can come up with 100 different setups and they would all be right.

Hey guys, I currently have an 04 VR wagon (factory sport muffler) and it's heading near the 200k mark.....Cat converters are not a legal requirement for this vehicle in NZ so I was thinking of pulling it off....I would still retain the factory resonators....how do you think it would sound?

Louder & more hollow, it'll lose some of it's full sound & smoothness in exchange for more bite & rasp.

This is just my opinion now, but I don't think that cat deletes make a V6 sound better (usually worse IMO - V8's are a different story though), unless maybe an additional resonator or different resonators are used to compensate for the lack of a cat.

If it isn't a legal requirement, give it a go and see how it sounds, you might like it.

But why remove the cat. Why release all those poisonous gasses. I won't be buying NZ produce anymore. I guess their wine tastes the way they are due to the gasses in the air.

But why remove the cat. Why release all those poisonous gasses.

True & a quality high flow cat isn't going to impose noticeable flow restriction on a stock(ish) engine either.

Useful tip for DaleMagna:

No need to chop out resonators, cut of the exhaust tips, scavenge the wreckers.
Heck, just loop record the above exhaust drone onto a USB stick, then play it back with the volume up Up UP.
Finally a use for that 5000 watt subwoofer in the boot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS - Patent Pending.

its got the stock sound system asside from headunit :P

neo your car just sounds straight piped, doesnt sound goo as such just loud

its got the stock sound system asside from headunit :P

neo your car just sounds straight piped, doesnt sound goo as such just loud

It is clearly stated that there was no exhaust in Neo's YouTube video. Hence the "he has us all beat".

If you want good exhaust note, get a set of factory ralliart/HM headers, high flow 200 to 300 CPI cat and the factory sports straight through muffler. Leave every thing else stock. My AWD had just that with the single droopy tip and had a very nice sound. Quiet at idle and a nice growl at WOT with a noticeable burble at light to medium throttle and best of all, the HMS headers for the AWD which was based on the ralliart headers removed the drone. 1000km trip with the wife and kids and not a single complaint of excessive noise or drone.

Oh damn im late to the party *tears roll down face*. Oh well I'll keep my eyes pealed for anymore 12 year olds who happen to pop up on the forum.

its got the stock sound system asside from headunit :P

neo your car just sounds straight piped, doesnt sound goo as such just loud

You're a nitwit

It clearly says no exhaust in the title... it just ends after the headers

I can't b bothered going back and reading everything on here. But long story short, I did a middle muffler delete and put a magnaflow cannon that i found at upullit on. and it sounds insane, no drone, no shit sounds. so this is pretty much just to say all you guys must not know a thing about exhausts. and thanks for a whole lot of bullshit :)
https://youtu.be/bM_4ZjcfSXk

blah blah blah bullshit...so this is pretty much just to say all you guys must not know a thing about exhausts. and thanks for a whole lot of bullshit :)

Don't like the advice.. on your bike, then. You'll be sorely missed.
Going by the amount of limiter bashing in that clip, your fun will be short lived anyway.

I can't b bothered going back and reading everything on here. But long story short, I did a middle muffler delete and put a magnaflow cannon that i found at upullit on. and it sounds insane, no drone, no shit sounds. so this is pretty much just to say all you guys must not know a thing about exhausts. and thanks for a whole lot of bullshit :)
https://youtu.be/bM_4ZjcfSXk

While I'd prefer this thread just bloody died as it provides no useful info to anybody I have to comment here. Whether a particular exhaust note (or anything else) sounds 'good' is totally subjective, everybody will have a different opinion. Most folks here have told you their opinion about how your car would sound if you did x, y or z, and those opinions must be respected regardless of whether you agree with them if you consider yourself to be a reasonable person. Conversely, they must respect your opinion even if they think you're wrong. To my ears your exhaust sounds bloody awful, much as some others suggested it would, but it ain't my ears that need to listen to it every day. So long as you like it and so long as your neighbours haven't murdered you in your sleep yet then good on you, you've got the sound you were looking for.

Actually, I'll retract my first point. This thread does include useful information about how the Magna sounds when its exhaust has been modified as you have done, which may be useful to others who wish to avoid achieve the same thing.

While I'd prefer this thread just bloody died as it provides no useful info to anybody I have to comment here. Whether a particular exhaust note (or anything else) sounds 'good' is totally subjective, everybody will have a different opinion. Most folks here have told you their opinion about how your car would sound if you did x, y or z, and those opinions must be respected regardless of whether you agree with them if you consider yourself to be a reasonable person. Conversely, they must respect your opinion even if they think you're wrong. To my ears your exhaust sounds bloody awful, much as some others suggested it would, but it ain't my ears that need to listen to it every day. So long as you like it and so long as your neighbours haven't murdered you in your sleep yet then good on you, you've got the sound you were looking for.

Actually, I'll retract my first point. This thread does include useful information about how the Magna sounds when its exhaust has been modified as you have done, which may be useful to others who wish to avoid achieve the same thing.

I Had clearly stated what i was looking for in the sound i wanted. then everyone who replied lead me further and further away from what i wanted. they said it would be super droney and just be loud and deep. its still pretty quiet when it cruises and loud when on the power pedal. this is the best sounding magna i've ever heard. so instead of all being (excuse the word) "fanboys" about you certain exhaust notes how about just letting people know what it sounds like, would have saved a lot of time and argument. and hey, you wouldn't have looked like rude adults talking shit to a youngster either. and with that im out of this forum.

Well if you'd said to start with, that you wanted a loud "look at me" exhaust to suit a naïve teenager.... this is where we would have steered you!
Well done!......... the sound like mentioned before is personal thing, so its a wasted thread anyway!

Oh just saw the the vid......... :roflwtf::roflwtf:

For others...... my 4 speed wagon runs a VRX muffler & no resonator ..... IMO isn't loud. When I had the muffler put on the exhaust guy found the resonator was cactus, so tried it with out & he thought it didn't need one, as did I when I heard it, so left it like that.

and with that im out of this forum.

Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out...

I Had clearly stated what i was looking for in the sound i wanted. then everyone who replied lead me further and further away from what i wanted. they said it would be super droney and just be loud and deep. its still pretty quiet when it cruises and loud when on the power pedal. this is the best sounding magna i've ever heard. so instead of all being (excuse the word) "fanboys" about you certain exhaust notes how about just letting people know what it sounds like, would have saved a lot of time and argument. and hey, you wouldn't have looked like rude adults talking shit to a youngster either. and with that im out of this forum.

Mate, that's just bullshit. You initially said you liked the sound from your half-gutted system but wanted it louder, and asked what would happen if you removed the resonator. You were advised that doing so would be very droney, and someone else said it might sound pretty good. You said you'd be happy with even more drone (something to do with your sound system), and you were then advised that a resonator is both a legal requirement and a good thing to have if you want to hear what your grandkids are saying. You then asked a totally different question about what effect removing the tip would have, and were advised that the effect would be minimal and would in fact be illegal.

Then you told us you'd swapped the tip for a piece of 2.5" tubing and fitted a used Magnaflow cannon, and inexplicably cracked the shits with the forum for not knowing beforehand that this was the exact combination you needed to get the sound that would give you wood. You were given advice about retaining the resonator and going for a smaller straight through muffler, to which you responded something about rabbits and lettuce (I'll admit I lost you there, no f$%ken idea what you were on about).

Then you were given some pretty expert advice about the physics behind what actually produces the exhaust note and encouraged to play around but stay within the bounds of legality. Another piece of advice was given suggesting removal of the middle muffler and fit a Lukey at the end, and again advised that the tip makes minimal difference to the exhaust note. You were also advised that removal of the cat converter would give a loud and raspy sound and would be legal in NZ but not in Aus.

You then reminded us of what you'd already done and posted a YouTube clip of your exhaust note overlaid with your mate egging you on to hit the rev limiter, before dropping the mic and leaving the building.

I dunno mate, aside from a few jokes in the middle about kids with an exhaust note obsession (to which I contributed unapologetically) I honestly don't know what your complaint is. But whatever, enjoy your Magna. Peace out.

Don't waste your time feeding this idiot real information guys, we already tried that 3 threads ago.

Meanwhile on planet dalemagna, I'm getting some of these twin tips on the xc90. Hopefully it sounds like a full hectic v8 commodore.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7451/12077335353_f4540bb38e_b.jpg

My exhaust is all stock but here's hoping.

Don't waste your time feeding this idiot real information guys, we already tried that 3 threads ago.

Meanwhile on planet dalemagna, I'm getting some of these twin tips on the xc90. Hopefully it sounds like a full hectic v8 commodore.

My exhaust is all stock but here's hoping.

No, if you were on planet DaleMagna, you would have an empty Milo can for a resonator and a gutted muffler with no tips, and an upcoming use-by date because Charles Darwin is calling.

The local police will see him right, no worries!

No, if you were on planet DaleMagna, you would have an empty Milo can for a resonator and a gutted muffler with no tips, and an upcoming use-by date because Charles Darwin is calling.

So you're telling me my exhaust tips will do nothing?

So you're telling me my exhaust tips will do nothing?

Unless you have speakers attached to them