Got it from exclusive who got it from some where else :D

http://www.ftooc.org/contents/pages/project/filter.htm

very nice articel with pics and figures.

http://www.ftooc.org/images/projects/holessmall.jpg

Can anyone else see the problem with this??????? Unless it's supposed to be the top part??

isnt that just going to suck in hot air???? plz explain :redface:

looks like a cheese grater :P

yeah .. But so are all the pods aswell KB...

yeah .. But so are all the pods aswell KB...

True, I agree, hence why I dont have one ;)

True, I agree, hence why I dont have one ;)
hehe mines sitting in the engine bay still.. draining my car of power..

Still trying to find a place to do some custom bending of pipes for me...

If my old man was still at his old job I'd offer to get him to do it for you, but alas, he can't anymore :(

They would've been press bent though, but that's better than nothing I guess for a temporary solution.

What about the DIY article on doing CAI that TH Smoker (I think?) put up? You should give that a go.

I'm a dumbarse...that pic makes sense lol

http://www.ftooc.org/images/projects/holessmall.jpg

Can anyone else see the problem with this??????? Unless it's supposed to be the top part??


You're a retard as explained to u on MSN.

That is the bottom part... i dont see anything wrong with it, except that its gay.

all it does is make a lot of NOISE. If there were a lot of restrictions in the snorkle, then it would remove the restriction but add alot of noise. I don't get why they haven't told people to duct big trumpets on their grilles and duct it into their box yet.

What about the DIY article on doing CAI that TH Smoker (I think?) put up? You should give that a go.
Yeah i had thought about it.. But i want one singular polished pipe.. For the moment it can sit in there eating up hot air :)

i like the fact that one of the cheapest ones the 7pound one gave one of the biggest increases

hehe mines sitting in the engine bay still.. draining my car of power..

Still trying to find a place to do some custom bending of pipes for me...


ill do it :P

Just thinking.... K&N was used with STD AirBox. Would be better with proper CAI.
Also, the pods scored reasonably - perhaps cos dynoing was done bonnet open and it was sucking cooler air than when driving bonnet down. Eh?
Otherwise good info. Ppl always ask how many KW did one get from this and that. I claimed that I got some 3-4 KW with K&N AND proper CAI with bellmouth feed. So, my questimate wasn't too far off at all.
Thanks for the link.

The problem with that test is that you only get the results.

You don't get all the details about how the test was done, so really, the test is of no use at all.

I could say I did a test here are my results:

9,8,1,6,7,7,1,3,1,3,3,6,7,8,

As you can see the 1st one is the best.


See...not much point...

I could say I did a test here are my results:
9,8,1,6,7,7,1,3,1,3,3,6,7,8,
As you can see the 1st one is the best.
See...not much point...

Very interesting test results. How did you conduct it? Did you do it real time or virtual? Applied any enforcements? Did you use any volunteers?

:D

the problem with th test is that pods in engine bays are often produce a gain on the dyno (due to bonnet open and big fan blowing onto it), and a loss on the road (due to bonnet closed and only hot air getting in). and another problem is CAI producing only small gain on dyno but noticable gain on the road due to airflow.

Also, the less restrictive the filter is, the worse the filtering properties are (to some extent).

So we need to draw the line between performance and engine life.

i want the greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen one

Very interesting test results. How did you conduct it? Did you do it real time or virtual? Applied any enforcements? Did you use any volunteers?

:D

I'm not at liberty to tell.

But the results are the only important thing :badgrin:

here is a CAI setup that I was testing for a while but have finally painted to look pretty.

100 mm PVC tube - 2x 90 deg bends and about 60cm of straight. I heat gunned the top to fit the standard airbox, bottom is bellmouthed, and the centre pipe is moulded to fit the radiator hose.

It picks up cool air just under the radiator - I'll cut a little of the bottom plastic engine guard that can be seen in the second pic to get a direct air flow into mouth because at the moment it's in a low pressure area.

it gave a small seat of pants gain over my last CAI attempt (fiberglass job over the radiator that some of you may have seen). but most importantly the performance doesn't fade after the engine heats up :) the other night I went for a 30 min drive, when I came back the airbox was only slightly warm, not the usual hot. so if you have a free weekend its worth it

Very interesting. And it uses the stock airbox so our panels are still useful :)

Jowet, that is an awsome install, nice and factory neat looking, just the way I like it. I was thinking of a similar idea, but had clearance issues, I never thought of moulding the plastic to clear any problem items...good touch :D .

Yeah Redav, nice to know we don't have to throw away our panels :P

Wowh, niccce. Apart from my own - ahemmm.... - that is the best looking/functioning (by the looks) CAI I have seen for long time.
Just one point I'd like to raise - cannot really see how open is it for Ram effect and do u have anything to keep squirrel and larger size items not entering the pipe?
Very good work, dude. :cool:

Just one point I'd like to raise - cannot really see how open is it for Ram effect and do u have anything to keep squirrel and larger size items not entering the pipe?
Probably not much but there's no gain from a ram effect unless you're travelling about the 200kph mark and even then there's not much in it.

Probably not much but there's no gain from a ram effect unless you're travelling about the 200kph mark and even then there's not much in it.

yes ram effects are almost totally lost with 90 degree bends, they r good staight from bonnet scoops onto airfilters though. also id put some flyscreen round that opening, at fullthrotte it will be like a vacuum cleaner lol

While it wouldn't have any ramair effect, his intake setup will reduce the ammount the engine needs to "suck" (less restriction) as the bell-mouths have been proven to increase air flow through a pipe by around 30% (even better if he increased the posive pressure around the intake pipe :P ). I don't think Jowet made the setup with ramming in mind, he just tried to make an effiecent setup that would direct cooler air into the intake without cuasing too much restriction. :D

Get a bonnet scoop above the airbox if you want some ramming action lol

I don't think Jowet made the setup with ramming in mind, he just tried to make an effiecent setup that would direct cooler air into the intake without cuasing too much restriction. :D
No, I doubt he was thinking ram effect. It's minimises any pressure drops infront of the filter. I like it. I'd love to get a better setup behind the MAF but couldn't be stuffed really.

thanks :P

i sprayed with satin black to match the surrounding plastic, it is like it was meant to be...... lol

yeah phonic and redav your right - I don't think there would ever be a proper ram air effect without a bonnet scoop + lots of speed. Being in the direct path of air though lessens the restriction of the pipe up to the filter - autospeed has some article tests, and I think they managed to negate all restrictions before filter at about 60kph with the intake facing incoming air.

as for squirrels - that is what the filter is for :badgrin: i might look into that.

yeah phonic and redav your right - I don't think there would ever be a proper ram air effect without a bonnet scoop + lots of speed. Being in the direct path of air though lessens the restriction of the pipe up to the filter - autospeed has some article tests, and I think they managed to negate all restrictions before filter at about 60kph with the intake facing incoming air.

as for squirrels - that is what the filter is for :badgrin: i might look into that.


Yep, I have always said RamAir would actually only be like a Poor Man's Turbo (see my previous posts re CAI etc). But - it does enable the airbox to receive positive pressure, so at least it's getting as much air as possible.
According to my lil calculations, that 60-kph quote seems just about right, on Auto 4. gear that is. The air speed in the CAI pipe would be less than car speed, so the + pressure would be there. However, the main restrictions start at TB and then the biggest problem at the valves - and no RamAir would combat that. That's when forced inductions steps in.
I cannot attach my Excel to this Forum, hopefully the .pdf is ok.
It’s a simple calculation which includes wheels and ratios and RPM etc. At certain revs there is certain amount of air going in to the engine. This stuff only calculates the air speed in the CAI piping, which has certain dimension. Stuff on red are the variables on the original .xls – if anyone wonders that color.
So, RamAir is better than the STD snorkel.

Did you know that it works on rats and possums too?

jowet what would it take for me to borrow your heat gun :pray:

my setup is exactly the same except,

1) at the moment its unpainted and looks like ****. yours looks awesome.
2) where you have heat gunned and mouled the last 90 degree PVC pipe to fit i have just duct taped it (very temporary, i was just so anxious to test it)
3) I have used the first 90 degree bend like you, but used two 45 degree bends instead of just 1 90 degree angle. Just thought it might flow a little better that way and it tucks in a bit closer.
4) the bottom end is wedged into the bumper where i have removed the far left grille peice. This part especially needs to be painted black as it sticks out like dogs balls.

Nice page, but less face it all minor power increases and for the money you pay you may aswell head down to BP and put in ultimate in or take the filter panel out haha

i dunno about jowet but mine has cost $10 in PVC pipes and $3 can of spray

Nice page, but less face it all minor power increases and for the money you pay you may aswell head down to BP and put in ultimate in or take the filter panel out haha
Heh heh... except you won't gain anything from ultimate if the car's not tuned for it.

[QUOTE=Tim-E]jowet what would it take for me to borrow your heat gun :pray:

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haha i was in this situation, I borrowed it from a friend who fiberglasses. last time i was in bunnings though you could pick one up for about $35. if you're stuck though pm me and I'll see if i can get it for you

$35? is that it? i might just buy one, im sure it will come in handy in the future as well. Plus i can make another CAI up for my brother for his Th and recover some costs lol

Was it easy to use? easy to shape?

bugger the heat gun. i boiled a pot of water and stuck the PVC in for 1 minute, took it out and bent it into a perfect oval shape and it slots into the airbox as good as the stock snorkel :cool:

i might do up a DIY for this mod, cos if i can do it anyone can lol

i might do up a DIY for this mod, cos if i can do it anyone can lol
I don't know if I can. Apparently I only like bolt on mods (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142499&postcount=44) :bowrofl:

I don't know if I can. Apparently I only like bolt on mods (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142499&postcount=44) :bowrofl:

??? I read that thread. "couldn't ignore u anymore". Heheheh, you're famous now, dude. :bowrofl:
Sometimes I wonder......
Cos the fact is that Redav doesn't even have any tools - he uses rubber bands and Super Glue. True. Trust me. I neve lie! ;)

I don't know if I can. Apparently I only like bolt on mods (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142499&postcount=44) :bowrofl:

poor redav, everyone else here has at least a balanced lightened stroker crank and carillo conrods :D .

poor redav, everyone else here has at least a balanced lightened stroker crank and carillo conrods :D .
Actually, you should see my future main bolt in mod :mad:

Actually, you should see my future main bolt in mod :mad:

Somehow I don't like the sounds of that.... something bigger than .50 cal?
Guys - we better take it easy now! :shock: