yesterday i replaced my TE sports springs with Pedders sports, (not superlow) and konis.
anyway it seems the front is too low compared to the back. I had asked for Kings and got told when i picked it up that they dont fit with the konis.
the fronts a fair bit lower than the back and i wanted it level, i reckon the backs not low enough and the fronts too low, but the fitter says they all magnas like that(doubt it). I wanted either Lovells or Kings, because they should be about 35 mm drop all round, nice and even.
Ive asked them to double check the part number and make sure they didnt send superlow front. from other ppls pics they havent ended up with a lower front unless they asked for it, i think.

Sounds like your installer is full of BS.

Its a fact that kings fit koni's, thats what whiteline do and there are a few guys here that are running a koni / king combo. Im pretty sure dave's TT is running his koni's with king springs.

It doesnt make sense why the front would be lower than the rear. Normally if you lower a magna evenly at the front and rear (same height) the front will be higher than the rear.

If pedder installed them, take it back and demand they install king springs otherwise get your money back and go elsewhere. If they resist go to your department of fair trading and consumer protection.

Best of luck mate :thumbsup:

Yep, I had Pedders sportsryder springs installed a while back, and their standard fitment for a 3G Magna leaves the back sticking up a bit. Even the guys that did it (who followed "the book" as far as sourcing components) looked at it when it was done and agreed it wasn't quite right. They were really good about it and replaced the rear springs with items that levelled the car, and it's been perfect since. I would suggest going back to the Pedders store you dealt with and requesting a fix.

Oh, I should add I didn't fit Konis, but I can't imagine that would change anything as far as ride height etc.

I have Pedders sports ryder springs all round in my old TF (but with stock shocks) and due to the massive front wheel arc mitsubishi blessed the Magna with the front looks like it sits higher (but looking under the car it's all dead even). Maybe it's the different shocks????

I just got koni sports fitted along with the whiteline rear sway bar today on the stock TH exec springs.

Firstly may I say I am well impressed. Took her for a fang up Mount Archer (hello Rocky crew) and she handles beautifully. Frig all understeer and the arse comes round now a bit as well. Travels sooo much quicker and feels more in control. Very nice.

Anyway, I asked the bloke about fitting springs later and he said King's would be what he would use (they would be a King's dealer wouldn't they) and they would be fine with the Koni's. just need to bump up the rebound a bit to compensate for the stiffer spring.

In reality if you have koni adjustable shocks you should be able to use any spring as long as it isn't too low. Just fiddle the nobs to tune the shock to the stiffer/softer spring.

I just got koni sports fitted along with the whiteline rear sway bar today on the stock TH exec springs.

Firstly may I say I am well impressed. Took her for a fang up Mount Archer (hello Rocky crew) and she handles beautifully. Frig all understeer and the arse comes round now a bit as well. Travels sooo much quicker and feels more in control. Very nice.

Anyway, I asked the bloke about fitting springs later and he said King's would be what he would use (they would be a King's dealer wouldn't they) and they would be fine with the Koni's. just need to bump up the rebound a bit to compensate for the stiffer spring.

In reality if you have koni adjustable shocks you should be able to use any spring as long as it isn't too low. Just fiddle the nobs to tune the shock to the stiffer/softer spring.
Rockmag, could I enquire on where you got the work done, & how much? I'm in Gladstone, & if need be, will make the drive up to Rocky to get work done... I'm in the process of get quotes around here.
Thanks.

yesterday i replaced my TE sports springs with Pedders sports, (not superlow) and konis.
anyway it seems the front is too low compared to the back. I had asked for Kings and got told when i picked it up that they dont fit with the konis.
the fronts a fair bit lower than the back and i wanted it level, i reckon the backs not low enough and the fronts too low, but the fitter says they all magnas like that(doubt it). I wanted either Lovells or Kings, because they should be about 35 mm drop all round, nice and even.
Ive asked them to double check the part number and make sure they didnt send superlow front. from other ppls pics they havent ended up with a lower front unless they asked for it, i think.

I got the Pedders on just as you and just like you they aren't super lows, the back does sit up compared to the front but on a flat surface its close to even, as someone said on this thread that the wheel arches does amplify the bum up look. Magna's do however have a heavy front to rear weight bias, 64 to 36 or something like that hence the engine weight would bring th front down especially once the springs settle!

Having said that i think its just Pedders not accounting for the heavy front bias on the magna and not having a lower pair of springs at the rear.

Sen2

I've got pedders sports ryders all round in mine with stock shocks and its dead flat. Obviously theres a larger gap between the front wheel and the wheel arch as opposed to the back, but the car sits quite flat.

If the rear of the car is sitting higher, I reckon they may have installed the wrong springs? :confused:

I have Pedders sports ryder springs all round in my old TF (but with stock shocks) and due to the massive front wheel arc mitsubishi blessed the Magna with the front looks like it sits higher (but looking under the car it's all dead even). Maybe it's the different shocks????

Same here, i have standard shocks with Pedders stage two lowered springs 50mm and it sits even.

As for your mechanic saying that Kings are not compatible with Koni's? What a wanke!

Go back and complain and get what you asked for.

Remember customer satisfaction. You Are Not Satisfied. So what are they gonna do about it?

Drive into a Pedders and ask them to check the springs for you and see which ones you actually have had installed.

The Pedders Springs have a tag on them with a date of manufacture, and a part number, if you can access them easily grab the number and just call them.

Cheers
John

i have kings with konis?

King springs are not compatible with KONI dampers if the shop you go to exclusively sells Kings.

i have kings with konis?

you sure john? you dont sound it.....

we have done a few kings and koni combo already. what a load of crock that they don't fit.

Koni sports with king springs around $1150 delivered.

i reckon that guy had some landcruiser and astra springs sitting around the place that weren't moving and thought you're magna would be a nice way of getting rid of them....

i have pedders superlows on my car and if anything the back looks lower than the front (of course, due to the huge front wheel arch)

i reckon that guy had some landcruiser and astra springs sitting around the place that weren't moving and thought you're magna would be a nice way of getting rid of them....

i have pedders superlows on my car and if anything the back looks lower than the front (of course, due to the huge front wheel arch)

im not imagining the slant because of the wheelarch, theres an almost even gap front and rear between tyre and top of guard lip on both front and rear now. probably my fault for saying i wanted the rims centred in the arches instead of seeing the whole top surface of the tyre like a 4wd lol
Kings say the car sits level with their springs,
lovells and dobinsons allow a slant of 10-15mm from the rear of sill to the front, and i have 25mm slant, but i kind of like the look now.
i thought the front had to go up, but i havent had any scraping issues over speed bumps or anywhere and it rides ok, so i might just leave it.

anthony, your price seems very low especially including freight, what is the price of the springs on their own, I paid 460$ for the 4 springs.

When i got my pedders low's and still had stock shocks on, it was flat, but a few months later i put some pedders sports ryder gas shockies in and the back sat higher giving the bum up head down look!

Altera98...... Kings Springs $110 a pair, Whiteline is $140 a pair. freight is about $15.

At $230 a pair of springs I can do them as custom springs. ie. whatever ride height or spring rate you want. I'd hate to see the cost of your shock and springs setup. Coilovers I have available right now is $1550 delivered.

Coilovers I have available right now is $1550 delivered.

who makes em? any more info? i've been thinking about upgrading my shocks soon (the springs are fine, but if coilovers are any decent i might look into it

who makes em? any more info? i've been thinking about upgrading my shocks soon (the springs are fine, but if coilovers are any decent i might look into it
his are the Hot Bits, and thats about 1G cheaper than retail.

yep Hot Bits. I won't be keeping this price for long becuase I have been told off for selling too cheap. :P Plus Hot Bits like many other manufacturers (whiteline, koni, KYB, Kings, etc...) has recently raised their prices.

They are completely height adjustable from 30mm lowered than standard to sitting on your bump stop. Great for the show factor. But the ride is gold quality. Improves handling a lot. :)

Best place to look at the car so see if it is flat or level is either the bottom of the windows looking at the seal or the strip half way down the doors. They should all slope slighly to the front. Dont look at the bottom skirts of the car bacause they are decieving to look at as they change shape along the lengh of the car.

Pedders. Hmmm, had them origionally for about 6 months and got rid of them for Kings. Has issues with the Pedders product.

Best place to look at the car so see if it is flat or level is either the bottom of the windows looking at the seal or the strip half way down the doors. They should all slope slighly to the front. Dont look at the bottom skirts of the car bacause they are decieving to look at as they change shape along the lengh of the car.

Pedders. Hmmm, had them origionally for about 6 months and got rid of them for Kings. Has issues with the Pedders product.

why, whats wrong with em?

Pedders. Hmmm, had them origionally for about 6 months and got rid of them for Kings. Has issues with the Pedders product.

I got full Pedders Sports Ryder package couple of years ago and I have been quite satisfied with the product. I drove another Magna with Kings and old shocks and it wasn't as well behaving. Most likely due to old shocks, but.

There is basically 2 ways to "level" the car when playing with ride heights.
1. Make the gap between fender and tyre the same, which results in to slightly less elevated front.
2. Level the chassis and this will result in to rear looking like the trunk is full of junk and looks saggy cos the wheels actually hide behind the fender at the top.

I prefer option 1.

Which one of these options is better for handling....????

I got full Pedders Sports Ryder package couple of years ago and I have been quite satisfied with the product. I drove another Magna with Kings and old shocks and it wasn't as well behaving. Most likely due to old shocks, but.

There is basically 2 ways to "level" the car when playing with ride heights.
1. Make the gap between fender and tyre the same, which results in to slightly less elevated front.
2. Level the chassis and this will result in to rear looking like the trunk is full of junk and looks saggy cos the wheels actually hide behind the fender at the top.

I prefer option 1.

Which one of these options is better for handling....????

pedders claim to do more pre-loading of the springs to prevent sagging, hence their higher price.
i think the reason most ppl go for superlow front and low rear for magnas is to centre the wheels in the arches, and it does look best that way.
but ultimately for handling, closer to level is better. you can cut understeer more by having the lower front and have nore cornering grip, but if u lift off or brake in the corner the back will be more prone to swap ends if its too high compared to the front. also under hard braking from high speed, the tendency of the rear to want to swap ends with the front will effectively increase braking distance. back when Valiants were around, many people droped the front becuase it was very easy to do and left the back at stock ride height, then lost control under brakes.
on comfortable road cars its best to have a slightly higher rear to allow for loading and towing, buit the "jacked up" rear look is dangerous.

Having more weight ballance to the front (lower front springs) will cause more undrsteer in hard cornering as the nose has more weight to steer. Same reson the 2.4 4 Cyl 3rd gens handle a bit better than the V6's.

Guess it also depends on how firm (or pretensioned) those coils are - even if it's low in the ride, it could be very stiff and not give that much.
But nobody here drives that hard anyway - it's illegal..... :redface:

I have lowered my KH and my mums KE both with pedders springs. Only lowered both to the 1st stage which is about 30mm drop. Both after a short amount of time started to coil slap. This is where the coils at both the top and bottom where the coils overlap close to eachother tap or bump eachother as the spring compresses resulting in a bang or thud noise every time you go over a bump or catseye. Really gives you the irrits after a while. Took them both back and they put this coil plastic tape around the coils that were taping eachother. I said that it is a fault and that is a temp fix. They said there is nothing they can do about it. The tape only lasts a few weeks before it is worn through. Ended up getting rid of them and going to kings and havent had a problem at all.

I have lowered my KH and my mums KE both with pedders springs. Only lowered both to the 1st stage which is about 30mm drop. Both after a short amount of time started to coil slap. This is where the coils at both the top and bottom where the coils overlap close to eachother tap or bump eachother as the spring compresses resulting in a bang or thud noise every time you go over a bump or catseye. Really gives you the irrits after a while. Took them both back and they put this coil plastic tape around the coils that were taping eachother. I said that it is a fault and that is a temp fix. They said there is nothing they can do about it. The tape only lasts a few weeks before it is worn through. Ended up getting rid of them and going to kings and havent had a problem at all.

and which spring would you say gives a more compliant comfortable ride?

Funny thing was i got some i had that same problem when i got my springs done at Australia's Best (worst really) Tyre place and when i went back they just taped it up.. Then i decided to go get those Pedders 14buck suspension tests,,,they said everything was fine except for the springs touching each other,,,so i got pedders springs right there on the spot and to be quite honest i have no complaints bout em. Had em for bout a year and a half now and its all good.

The pedders i went to is the one on James Ruse Drive at Granville in Sydney, i cannot complain one bit about their service either. So i think its very much something based on your experience, I wouldn't flame pedders overall just because the pedders store your went to or the supplier you got your springs from gave ya dodgy's.

koni + pedders = ****

that's like driving a ferrari with leaf suspension.
:nuts:

yep Hot Bits. I won't be keeping this price for long becuase I have been told off for selling too cheap. :P Plus Hot Bits like many other manufacturers (whiteline, koni, KYB, Kings, etc...) has recently raised their prices.

They are completely height adjustable from 30mm lowered than standard to sitting on your bump stop. Great for the show factor. But the ride is gold quality. Improves handling a lot. :)

:o!!! i might be in contact very soon!

Hey there Alter98.

I have to admit that the pedders gave a more comftorble ride even though i had monroe gt gas shocks on the car which are as hard as anything.
But i can put up with a slightly firmer ride with kings for the silence in the suspension. Couldnt stand the banging from the pedders.

As for the dealers, i had the KE lowered in '97 and the KH in '02 both from different stores. I said to myself that pedders would have had to of solved the spring slap problem over 5 years but nup, exactly the same problem still exists. Only through the front springs in both cases.

Have to agree with Phonic. Had a 4 cyl 3rd gen as a hire car from mitsub one day and i have to say other than the only slight lack in speed, i loved driving it. It was like driving a small hatch back. It was so light in the front end and so more nimble to throw around. Suprisingly it was fairly quick also. Wouldnt think it would of been much off the pace of a 3.5. Just lacking in a bit of torque but more revs solved that and it loved to rev.

tell me how you found those Gt Gas hard ????
i think they are a sporty feel comfort suspension and without a strut brace it performs a bit worse.

I've had the Pedders Sportsryders coils now for nearly 18 months, and haven't had a problem - no slapping or banging noises, and there is no detectable sagging etc. Overall I've been very happy with the purchase. Interesting to hear other people's problems with Pedders. I guess like buying a car itself, you can get good ones and you can get lemons - maybe I've been lucky!

I found with many other people the GT Gas to be fine over good city roads but when you head out to the country or somewhere where the roads arnt that good then thats when they start to give you kidney failure. The GT's are one of the firmest shockers Monroe make. Fine on good quality roads but very harsh on not so good roads.