Ok ok!,

its been a long time in the making, but ive finely got some direct answers into why my install took soo long... :roll:

first of all, its been confirmed by Haltech that 'to their knowledge' it it the first installation of a Haltech into a Magna/Diamante in Australia and more than likely in the "Australiasian" region *thumbs up*

with that in mind it wasnt as easy as a well documented lancer or equlivent install :( thats what has set the install back to what is now draggin onto over one full week :cry:

altho wiring diagrams for the stock 3.0L magna is well documented, the haltech wiring doesnt take into account some of the magna electrics that control various parts of the car, timing etc etc. thus making it very hard to 'cut and solder' to the existing wiring :( most of the wiring had to be re run and/or re wired to fix the specs of the Haltech, mainly most of the engine thermo sensors and misc items such as speed/engine rpm sensors.

after 3 days on the end of the telephone with a haltech professional installer, we now have all the diagrams which that man kindly revised to suit our car, and since he had a 'doner' 3.0L magna that a friend of his had, he managed to draw a new diagram *thumbs up*

everything is back in full swing and is expected to be fully wired up by the mid mornin, then if all persists well, it should be runnin on a dyno by the later afternoon and tommorrow mornin :D:D

I CANT WAIT!! :D :D

im hoping to have a pretty neat gain, provided ive now got a POD ! (yelling at windowmaker :P) and am gonna use a consistant supply of BP Ultimate. Next step in the upgrade line will be new RPW extractors (looking at Windomaker) followed by a FSE (turns back to windowmaker) and possibly a set of stage 2 cams :D

ill keep you all posted in its progress *thumbs up*

Ben.

Are you going to make the wiring diagram available to the population?
FSE? Whats this?
Haydn

I think he is meaning FPR??

Manual

I think he is meaning FPR??

Manual

sorry, yes manual is right, FPR.. fuel pressure regulator :oops: typo :oops:

hmmm.. and as for those diagrams, how badly do you want your haltech install to go smoothly :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

a small 'royality' fee may be involved :badgrin: :badgrin:

nah, ill see how i go, i try get the diagrams for everone... but that too many people would try this 'Head Fu*@' ... thats what my Rapest said it was :lol: :lol:

dumbass!


yeah sounds like you got it all set booya! keep us informed about what u pull on the dyno

A good installer would normally have no problems doing it and taking so long....

im hoping to have a pretty neat gain, provided ive now got a POD ! (yelling at windowmaker :P) and am gonna use a consistant supply of BP Ultimate. Next step in the upgrade line will be new RPW extractors (looking at Windomaker) followed by a FSE (turns back to windowmaker) and possibly a set of stage 2 cams :D
Ben.


Huh somthing said not good .... dont yell at Homer .... no that's ok , SLOW they called you slow *Homer from the simpsons*

:lol:

ive given them some time to further 'tweek' me motor

then when the good got going, we blew a something a-rather when she was making 235hp at the wheels.. so waiting for a replacement part, nothing major tho. i think it was a sensor or something somewhere?? :cry:
so we should be getting arround the 220-250hp wheels mark when its all good again.. i think they might drop it backwards a bit, so im not running on the reilbility line :S

Ben.

What else have you done to your car to reach 235hp?

Apart from the wing :lol:

What else have you done to your car to reach 235hp?

Apart from the wing :lol:

75mm throttle body
102RON fuel
New Cold Air Induction.. the POD isnt near the engine.. its more like on the ground :P
and ill complete this list whenits goin again :badgrin:

102RON fuel

How????????? avgas :?

102RON fuel

How????????? avgas :?

avgas is 130RON, and its no good for me car :(
but 102 on the otherhand, ahhh.. its handy having mates at the local Shell Depo ;)

:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

........ and ill complete this list whenits goin again :badgrin:

Yet again trying to steal ideas from me !!! :lol:

Haydn

[quote:b90a6b28a3="Gold BOOYA Magna"]........ and ill complete this list whenits goin again :badgrin:

Yet again trying to steal ideas from me !!! :lol:

Haydn[/quote:b90a6b28a3]

like what??????
what have you done thats inspired me, besides your bodykit, bonnet, ride height adjustable shocks......

:lol:

oh, and I HADE most of that stuff before YOU EVEN found this forum!!!!!

you prolly copied off me! :evil:

I was refering to the .... "and ill complete this list whenits goin again"
ie I dont want to sow anyone what I got till it is finished... Just like me :D
Haydn

add to your copy list "banner" ;)

steady on there boys and girls, we're a sharing kinda bunch and i'm sure a banner or two is not going to hurt anybody!

anyway, back to the real story....
235Hp!!![size=12:0145d119ae][/size:0145d119ae] at the wheels!?!?! thats huge. like 180kW at the wheels, thats over 240kW at the fly!! (with a 30% drivetrain loss) thats a huge improvment!!! if a haltect will give me close to a 160% improvement.... im there!

ive given them some time to further 'tweek' me motor

then when the good got going, we blew a something a-rather when she was making 235hp at the wheels.. so waiting for a replacement part, nothing major tho. i think it was a sensor or something somewhere?? :cry:
so we should be getting arround the 220-250hp wheels mark when its all good again.. i think they might drop it backwards a bit, so im not running on the reilbility line :S

Ben.

OH MY ****ING GOD YOUR MAKING 175.3KW's at the wheels dude i dont know what you did but its ****ing good since youve gained nearly 100percent power increase. even if you put a turbo on you would be pushing that. let us in on your secret that's more then a wrx sti at all four wheels

Yeah I am impressed - it is 54kw more than me at the wheels!!

I would like some of that!!

But hmmm - I doubt it is just an ECU upgrade!! Actually I know it's not - but I wanna see a complete list and a dyno printout!! and a 1/4 time!!

Manual

Hey booya, does this mean you might be able to keep up with your mum now??? :D :lol:

Yeah I am impressed - it is 54kw more than me at the wheels!!

I would like some of that!!

But hmmm - I doubt it is just an ECU upgrade!! Actually I know it's not - but I wanna see a complete list and a dyno printout!! and a 1/4 time!!

Manual

Agreed,

Prove it with a print out :)

Yep Booya: dyno printout, mod list (& diff ratio, gear ratio for dyno test and tyre size to enable little ole me to manipulate numbers) please :!: 8)

As I said elsewhere (was it here or MOGWA?) HP @ Wheels = kW @ flywheel (as rule-of-thumb).

i would of liked to have a print out when they were dyno tuning, but because it was only 'tuning' it was showing 'realtime' figures, which (to my knolodge) doesnt allow us to print off the particular chart used to 'tune' GBM.

When its finished the first thing i want to do is get a dyno print out. :D ill have to wait to next month for the official 1/4 mile time tho :( we just had our runs last weekend :cry:

the sensor that experienced 'technical difficulities' was the throttle position sensor, which sent the engine revving in all directions :|

new sensor due either 2day or 2morrow, should be back on the road next week, mid week me thinks :S

a new expected 'safe' power out put has be run past me at 200hp at the wheels only cos my tech tuner thinks there could be a 'reilability' issue at 235hp. while we're waiting for the replacement sensor, he's spending some time to look at the more 'nitty gritty' issues around the hp i was making, and is trying to find out if the haltech ECU is directly responsible for the failure of the Sensor.

What ever the end result, i think its gonna be good.
He's indicated that the engine will be tuned to still be powering on above 5500rpm (ie, the power line contine's to climb, not fall off)
a new 'red line' limit of 7500rpm and a unlimited top speed (or where the pistons start flyin from the bonnet :P)

im really looking fowared to seein her in action again :D:D

Benji.

What ever the end result, i think its gonna be good.
He's indicated that the engine will be tuned to still be powering on above 5500rpm (ie, the power line contine's to climb, not fall off)
a new 'red line' limit of 7500rpm and a unlimited top speed (or where the pistons start flyin from the bonnet :P)

im really looking fowared to seein her in action again :D:D

Benji.

We still really want to know your mods because 235hp at the wheels is a massive amount , and you have obvisouly done alot of internal modification's because on a 6g72 there is a big bellcurve at 5500 and even if there wasnt i cant see a stock engine surviving too much being revved anywhere near 7500rpm

very interested in your progress

i still wanna see it on APS's dyno (where gamisou got his unichip tuned)
see what you pull :)

good work man :)


Matty

ok... news it out


BOOYA now has a fried ECU :cry: :cry: :cry:
it fried, like a piece of the kernal's Hot and Spicy chicken stips, you'd find at KFC :shock:

now, 2 morrow hopefully there gonna FLY in a HALTECH guy from melbourne and replace, refit and re tune at their expense :x

gerrrrr.. such a simple process gone horrobly wrong :cry: :cry: :!: :evil:

this is true, but this guy will know what hes doing :)

cant complain too much about that though :)

Why did it fry!?

ok ok, more news.

Haltech has confirmed that there was a 99% chance that the ECU was already faulty from the start. hence why its taken soo long, and with injector problems and the likes..

the catch;

haltech wont just send me another ECU as an replacement, instead, their saying they will repair and recondition the unit :x NOT HAPPY, not only does this mean its gonna take at least another week, it doesnt guarantee that is gonna come back 'as new' :x

GERRRRR

it got airbaged dis afternoon, so haltech will get it 2morrow (tuesday) give em a day to open the bag, and 2 days to open the case of the ECU (its now friday at this point :x ) saturday they decide not to work, so monday they might think about returning it :x

F**K my donkey! this is a joke! i wished i never even attemped this haltech install! last look at my calendar told me they (as in the installers of my ecu) have had booya now for 39days :shock:

ive almost had enough of this bull*hit!

ben.

welcome to the world of After Market ECU's :D

Manual

Im feeling for you mate.

Id MAKE haltech give you a new ECU since they are the fella's who seem to be stuffing you around the most.

i wouldnt be surprised if u get the car back with rattles galore

I'd be ringing the Dept of Fair Trading or whatever you have in the NT

i feel for you! can you put the stocker back in and get your moneies back, you have to be at the SA meet!

i feel for you! can you put the stocker back in and get your moneies back, you have to be at the SA meet!

not unless i feel like rewiring the whole car :shock: :lol:

yer, the sa meet is in like 3 days, i wont make it.. nor will i make the GSR cruze :cry:

bugga.

BOOYA

Why dont you borrow your mums car booya, just for these two cruises. It may not be GBM, but you'll be there! :D

Why dont you borrow your mums car booya, just for these two cruises. It may not be GBM, but you'll be there! :D

haha! unlikely :cry:

mum doesnt even let me in the drivers seat, let alone allows me to drive it.. her excuse "your insured for it"

my response "it wont be my fault" ;)

haha!

but it still dont work :(

Come on Gold booya i come back to check on you and your still twiddling thumbs , get to work ya slacker ;)

Come on Gold booya i come back to check on you and your still twiddling thumbs , get to work ya slacker ;)

its now in the official hands of haltech :roll:

god knows what comes next :lol:

MORE NEWS:

one step closer to that final drive :D

Haltech confirmed a problem with the ECU, the Communications Port was not working, and since has been fixed and the unit now tests OK :D

Haltech has written new code into the ECU, so there is now a 'baseline' map to start off with. all that needed now is 'fine tuning' of that map, and all should be good.

Airbag leaves Wednesday morning, and hopefully should have in my hands by wednesday afternoon/thursday. having said that my install doesnt have time to friday afternoon/saturday morning. so im dissapointed, but releived that the sarga is comming to an end. *sigh*

that news made my dad a little bit better :)

those basards better not loose my ECU druing transit tho :evil: or they oughtta watch out! :evil: :evil: :x :x

So things are getting better then, this is like days of our lives or sumfin. :badgrin:

So things are getting better then, this is like days of our lives or sumfin. :badgrin:

its worse!!

its like "The Bold and the Beautiful"
:lol: :lol: :lol:

i love the bold and the beautiful! how hot are those chickies!

Yeah...
Give me Hunter Tylo ANYDAY... (Dr Taylor or something .. long black hair.) Aurrrrrggggg =P~

and i was thinkin about buying a haltech!!

bugga that :lol:

i love the bold and the beautiful! how hot are those chickies!

faggot. :lol:

ps. but your cool haydn.. i respect YOUR choice of korny soap box television shows :lol:

How gay, you guys like soaps, :shock: I like days of our lives best, its got billy, ooohhh hot mumma. uuurrrgghhh yes dear I'm coming! :roll:

[RANT :evil: ]

*sigh

im still waiting [msn emotion goes here: crying]

im sooo f*cking pissed off.. ive seriously almost had enough of this bulls*it. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

i WISHED i never even started this! this is just god damn'd money and time wasted! 53days as we speak its been 'out of action' its f*cking bullsh*t and ive had enough! :evil: :x

ive told the installer, 1 week to get my car back, or its gonna be legal action cos this has dragged on too f*cking long!!!!!

i havnt keep everone 'update' cos all i can do is bit*ch!

i have no feelings, no excitment, towards getting my car back. i might as well of written it off! i prolly would of gotten a replacement car by then :evil: not even an insurance company would take 53days to sort something like this out!

ive HAD ENOUGH! and im just sooo fuc*ing pissed off! :evil: :evil:

more costs include, renewal of my rego, 3 days after it went into the garage. so what happened is now ive paid for 6months of rego, and bloody hell! almost half of it is wasted :evil: :evil:

i just dont care anymore! ive had it up to my nose in delays and i just dont care! for all i care, he can keep the car cos ive just had fu*king enough! ive been walking, riding and all other mentods of getting around, and with 53 days of adjusting to that, i dont need a car now. :roll:

[/rant :evil: ]

So how is the install going?

Haydn



j/k
I was lucky that I had my other car still while the white one was being repaired...
Certainly not a good outcome so far...
I "hope" that when you get the results that there is a substantial increase in power.
Personally Im unsure how much you are going to get and therefore wether or not all these hassels are worth it.

What did the installer say when you threatened legal action?

Keep the pressure on him...That is completely wrong how long he's taken.

A week max for an install of that size

..all these hassels are worth it.

well, its gonna have to be inexcess of 250horses to make me happy again! which i dont think will happen, so ill be one damn grumpy magna owner for a while to come.. perhaps a pay increase will offset the bull*hit that ive been through. :lol:

i cant see that happinin either so im gonna be a grumpy son of a b*tch for a while me thinks :evil:

i dunno how they (haltec) treat people but i reckon if you personally talk to someone higher up in the company they should get it sorted for you, especially if you bend the truth about how bad a name you can give them!!

If it is a haltech owned place doing your install then it should have immediate effects if you talk to the right person!!

You should demand some sort of bonus, like or a cash bonus at some retail store, or some new paint, some credit with them etc!! i dunno, but something!! at least some compensation, cause that service is crap!!

I wouldn't threaten to give them a bad name. I reckon they would then give the car back in an incomplete state. Sure, have a word to a manager or something but just aim to get it sorted. Express how you're dissapointed, just don't take it down a path you can't come back from.

I wouldn't threaten to give them a bad name. I reckon they would then give the car back in an incomplete state. Sure, have a word to a manager or something but just aim to get it sorted. Express how you're dissapointed, just don't take it down a path you can't come back from.

thats right :roll:

im just asking for some 'results', and when the car is back , then i will start the bad naming and 'credit please'

ill prolly even give THEM an invoice for the days that it has been out of my hands :badgrin: i reckon i could recoupe costs when they find out that its costing THEM 25$ a day :lol:

hahah.. no. ok, perhaps not then lol. but im still pissed off! :x

im NEVER going back to that place, if i EVER get any more mods, i will personally cart the damn 1.54tonne magna to adelaide to get it tuned there :evil:

so i guess you SA guys will be seein booya more often :lol:

Lol is that the only tuning place in the NT?
Man - i thought adelaide was bad :badgrin:

Only tuning place in Alice Springs, perhaps.. considering it has a population of, what 20,000 people, its lucky it has one at all I reckon :)

No idea who you'd go to in Darwin for that kind of thing though. I reckon taking the car down south is the way to go though for us northerners.. too bad Perth is as far out of the way as Darwin is - its a long way to RPW!

should of gone the piggy back :(

Only tuning place in Alice Springs, perhaps.. considering it has a population of, what 20,000 people, its lucky it has one at all I reckon :)

No idea who you'd go to in Darwin for that kind of thing though. I reckon taking the car down south is the way to go though for us northerners.. too bad Perth is as far out of the way as Darwin is - its a long way to RPW!

cough cough. 31,900 thank you ;)

we have 2 tuning places, but this one was reccommended to me so i used him :doubt:

RPW would of been a quality pick, but yer, WA is too far. perhaps setting up subsideries david? :lol:

oh, and DARWIN SUX!!! it would prolly get stolen, scratched and/or burnt up there, specially in those northern suburbs :lol:

piggy back, perhaps, but the deed is done now, *sigh

ahaha, you're just jealous because of all the stuff that we've got that Alice hasn't.. like.. um.. yeah.. and then there's the other thing too.. so there!

is there anything i can do from a 'legal' point of view??

i dont wanna stur shit with this guy, but i donno. im really frustrated, and hes starting to get hot tempered when i call to find out the latest developemtnts :evil:

then...

GERRR>. i wont go on! but ive seriously had enough! :evil:

NEW NEWS:

the ECU dispite having 'confidence' this weekend in that it will be out of the workshop, has shit its self again. :roll:

believe it or not, it was the same problems that we had from day one. cept they (haltech) covered there tracks a bit better this time. so after 2hours of tuning, we eventually ran into the same problem (which was happinin at the start before)

so another day, and some more god damn hard earned cash wasted, we are back on square one :evil:

it seems for every 1 step we go forward, we seem to keep landing on the 'go to jail' square. then were stuck till we get a 'out of jail' card.

our next approach is now to get a new ECU, NOT for them to 'fix' this one, as it may only come back with the same problems :evil:

i can only hope this is a one off chip, cos id hate (and sympthise) for anyone else to go through this. this is god damn stupid. its costing me money, time and stress! (serious! i can harly sleep at night, cos im afraid of the bloody bills im gonna acculimate with this!).

if there is a god :doubt: , please help me! [-o< cos im seriously growing white hair and im soo annoyed, im now very short temptered, and my bank balance doesnt grow as fast as my incomming bills :evil:

[quote:1101a4be8f]RPW would of been a quality pick, but yer, WA is too far. perhaps setting up subsideries david?[/quote:1101a4be8f]

isnt philcom rally a RPW branch??

Anthony is bein working real hard and he seems to be getting some good stuff in lately :D

Well, im looking for a computer in November prolly, what was the price originally gonna be for this haltech?

This is terrible, I would take legal steps to get your car back in the condition it was prior to the install and without the haltech, then charge haltech the installation bill and demand compensation for the whole time you have been without a car, as this is not your fault, and you should not have to pay for this.

As long as the job gets finished... then you can hassel them about what you want..
If they told you it would onlty take a week and it took longer then fair enough... If they said "should only take a week or so" then you may have problems..
Just get the car back and get a warrenty and then wait to pay them the same time it took to get the car finished :)
Haydn

OK, David ended up calling my install, and went through the whole process. Now there is NOTHING wrong this time with the ECU its self, but instead a ignition something a-rather needs to be installed to the ingition something else a-rather so yer.

Haltech has confirmed that BOOYA is THE VERY FIRST fully aftermarket Computer installed in a MAGNA/DIAMANTE ANYWHERE.

not even MOTECH and other ECU manufactors have done Magnas/Diamante's

hopefully David will read this and give everone the technical info about our problem.

Ben.

PS> we are actually moving forward now :roll: like, seriously forward.. its taken some time but wer are moving forward :lol:

so your not going to sell it now ?

Sweet dude! Glad to hear it's finally going well

so your not going to sell it now ?

debatable..

im not selling cos of this. dont get me wrong. im selling cos i want a ute. and i cant afford both. what i mean is that there isnt any spare room for a spare tyre any more. let alone for me to go on holidays :lol:

Okay I have been speaking with the installer and Haltech and beleive I have found the problem.

Am looking at some wiring diagrams and will know by the end of today.

David Thomas
www.rpw.com.au

im selling cos i want a ute. and i cant afford both.

Then chop it yourself! Nah... some chop jobs look bad. I saw a convertable VP Commodore once. It wasn't a pretty sight.

Sounds like it's looking promising. What does the Haltech give you over other chips? How can you tune it yourself on computer etc? Dave mentioned an LCD screen you can install in the car. Are you getting one of these?

[quote:3b0f605a9d]How can you tune it yourself on computer etc? Dave mentioned an LCD screen you can install in the car. Are you getting one of these?[/quote:3b0f605a9d]

you COULD tune IF YOU KNOW what your doing.. well, i dont so i wont play :P

LCD screen.. no. im most porlly gonna sell so im not gonna spend more money on 'accessories'

Booya im probably getting an engine for my sprinter soon and since it doesnt come with an original computer or wiring loom im looking at getting a haltec as this is the only computer i can really afford.

Now not being to biased on what has happened to you , what do you think of the haltec and do you think it is worth it ? And do you know if it can bt used to run an engine without a distributor ? using coil packs and a crank angle sensor ?

Cheers

YEs the haltech will run multiple coil packs if you use the E6K system and can run without a distributor as long as it has a crank angle sensor and a Top Dead piston sensor.

The problems with Booy'as haltech was possible (We are still confirming this) a miswiring of the ignition system due to all of our unfamiliarity with teh Haltech adn a V6 Magna (As this was teh first time they have come together).

The sprinter engine has had haltechs before so wiring up is not a problem for anyone to do.

David Thomas
www.rpw.cmo.au

ok,

all the technical problems are now sorted. the ECU is working all the motors (aircon, fans, sensors etc... ) so now its a *straightforward* job of just 'tuning' the engine.

im poppin round to the tuners place in about 2 hours or so to catch some footage of her on the dyno. a long time comming :doubt: if all goes well as its ment to be, it should be out Very late 2nite (ready for the 1am drags ;)) or early morrow morning :badgrin:

its a bugga i go back to work saturday afternoon :x but hopefully i can post some movies of booya on the dyno.

also, power output is expected to be a lot less then the original 235hp, as the removal of the oversized throttle body and a few other bits n pieces in an attempt to just get the car going *sigh*

so at the moment, we are looking at a 180hp @ the wheels job till the throttle body goes on etc....

ill keep you up to date.

Ben.

Cant wait to see the results!

(shouts at booya) Put the damn OS throttle body back on!!
(assuming you still have it!)

whats the point of spending that much time (and money) on a car and get power out like a Ralliart!!

And i can see the values of a Ute but they arent going to handle anywhere near as well as GBM at high speeds!!! The Aerodynamics on utes are crap!! even with the stupid looking (easy booya, only on utes) rear wings!

ok,

also, power output is expected to be a lot less then the original 235hp, as the removal of the oversized throttle body and a few other bits n pieces in an attempt to just get the car going *sigh*

so at the moment, we are looking at a 180hp @ the wheels job till the throttle body goes on etc....

ill keep you up to date.

Ben.

What happened to the 250bhp at the wheels ? dont tell me my horsepower hero is a fraud now :(
i would of thought the stock throttle body would of been sufficiant to produce 180bhp at the wheels.

hey widow i though BHP was HO at the wheels??

Also - at the drags you were at - who had the 3.5L Auto that you raced?? I saw your times and realised my times are a fair bit quicker - using G-Tech's as well

And is the other guy a member of this group as well??

Manual

Naaa i think most Dyno's use Brake horse power as it is measured as power against a friction brake... but perhaps i just like the old ways ! :lol:

Errm im not sure which drags your talking about but it if its the one i think you think i think im thinking about it was a 3.5 auto in my car club , he isnt on these forums i dont think.

Anyway i can never really get good traction why my tire's and suspension , i just leave road tyre pressure in them and leave everything in my car ie spare tyre , car mats, boot carpets , engine .. cant be stuffed taking them out :D

Ive done Gtech run's as well i think around 16 on the 1/4 but all my drags are done with proper computer andra approvied equipment.

Anything else you wanna know ?

ps what times you get on the 1/8th ?

1/8th - sorry mate - I didn't check, but as soon as i get the G-Sensor for the RSM I will do some 1/8's just for you!!

My 1/4's are approx 15.5 at about 150

My PB with the G-Tech is a 15.47 at 151.8km/h

though the RSM without G-Sensor said it was a 14.82!! haah (i must admit it does look cool to show off those times even if they are inaccurate!! haha) will get rid of them once I get the G-Sensor in.

Manual

well, i managed to witness one half decent figure..

the tuner was tuing around the 3000rpm range, and we managed to get the following:

3000rpm, 1st gear = 116hp at the wheels.

its looking promising, so i hope this power curb continues all the way up to the 6000 rpm redline.