Was just looking round on the RPW website and found this
http://www.rpw.com.au/Performance%20Upgrades/Mitsubishi/Magna/Magna%20TE%20-%20TJ/magna101engine.htm

has anyone got any experience with the stage 2 or 3 engines? have any idea of what power they put out? I like the idea of a powerful N/A motor over a turbo motor because i like the way N/A motors drive compared to a turbo, so i was wonderin if these engines are any good as an alternative to turbo's.. also would a different motor from another mitsubishi be better value then this? ie one of the DOHC mivec engines from japan..

RPW Stage 2 Cams??!!! hahaha ROFL!! you mean RPW Diesel Cams!!! :bowrofl: ask EuroAccord about them....... or anyone from Victoria...... lol lol :bowrofl:

Were does he refer to Stage 2 cams?

Were does he refer to Stage 2 cams?

the stage 2 cams are part of the stage 2 and 3 engine package.. but i have absolutely no idea whats hes talking about.. diesel cams.. wtf

care to be slightly constructive in your replies and explain a bit better?

the stage 2 cams are part of the stage 2 and 3 engine package.. but i have absolutely no idea whats hes talking about.. diesel cams.. wtf

care to be slightly constructive in your replies and explain a bit better?

EuroAccord13, formerly MagnaV6Sport13 or something like that, bought and installed a set of RPW stage 2 cams into his TJ Sports. There was something wrong with them and his engine ended up sounding like a diesel motor by all accounts. There was much anger and pointing of fingers and from what I gather the problem was never fully resolved and probably played a large part in this guy buying an Accord Euro and putting the Magna on the back shelf. It is also the source of a lot of the anti-RPW vibe on the AM forums. For a counter point, Dave from RPW runs a set of stage 2 cams in his TT beast without trouble, though they are a different grind for a forced induction setup. I don't think anyone on here actually has a set of after-market cams, Ralliart owners not withstanding.

Personally I plan to investigate the high-po N/A route with my Magna, probably next year, but I think I'd drive down to Perth and get Dave to install them himself so there can't be any disagreements :) unless I can afford a decent turbo conversion :confused:

Jo-king off the forums has these cams as well, and the amount of noise they make is crazy.

why are they so noisey? pity dave left or he could've answered.

i cant think of a good reason why cams would make a car noisy.. other then if their not actuating the lifters properly..

Well if i do choose to go the high po N/A route in the future i guess i will drive to perth like cthulhu suggested and get them to fit it.. if theres anything wrong then they can hardly blame anyone but themselfs!

why are they so noisey? pity dave left or he could've answered.
*cough* bulls#$t *cough*

This guy is renowned for blaming everyone but his own workshop..

*cough* bulls#$t *cough*

This guy is renowned for blaming everyone but his own workshop..nah, i know the feeling that dave gets, you build something, it works fine, and then for some fudged reason it doesn't work for someone else! it happens at all levels, and so far its only happened to a few people on here that seem to make a hell of a lot of noise about it! Also people tend to point the blame at one person when it can be a number of people.... i remember from Euroaccord13 that the grinds were actually wrong (to what dave had specified), which is not all daves fault! He doesn't make them but he could of checked maybe, but he can't go and check every part that comes in and out of his shop!!

Argh all this RPW shinadigans makes me so paranoid...
Because I plan to invest thousands later next year in order to finish my mucking around with the engine, though if any of the RPW mods lead to things like this happening. What other alternatives are there, I dont think there are any other workshops which can do, Stage 1-3 cam upgrades and port and polishes specifically for 3.0 litre and 3.5 litre magna's..

What to do.. I guess hope that somebody else does similar mods though RPW-Perth with appropriate results...

Argh all this RPW shinadigans makes me so paranoid...
Because I plan to invest thousands later next year in order to finish my mucking around with the engine, though if any of the RPW mods lead to things like this happening. What other alternatives are there, I dont think there are any other workshops which can do, Stage 1-3 cam upgrades and port and polishes specifically for 3.0 litre and 3.5 litre magna's..

What to do.. I guess hope that somebody else does similar mods though RPW-Perth with appropriate results...mate, i'd talk directly with Dave (or directly to anyone else you're dealing with!)... don't get someone else to talk to them, and do your research about parts... get a little technical about measurements etc! cars are relatively simple once you break down the components. Ask for what you should expect in terms of tuning, noise, fitment, any past problems etc... leave no stone unturned and you'll come out happy! Also if you really into it, find someone else to talk to as a reference(preferably someone trustworthy), asking "if i change this length so and so to this, what should i expect will happen" kind of thing.

DONT TOUCH THEIR CAMS!!!

they are fu(kn shotty!!! we had a set of their "stage 3 turbo" cams, and they were so far outta line it wasnt funny.. lucky dallas knew what he was looking for, he opened the box, and called dave straight way and dave said "oh, they came straight from the place where they are made, i never even opened the box to inspect"

pfft.. like bain said... they pass the buck to everyone, cept theyselves.

bunch of dodgy ass.....

oh, and we got some cam gears that are soo useless, you coulnt even use them to tenderise meat with :rant: :rant:

Too bad no one else makes custom grinds for us poor Magna owners :boohoo:

Tell Dallas to get off his arse, Booya :D

any camshaft place will be able to make grind from scratch, it will cost alot tho. do rpw regrind or are they new cams? either way a regrind as long as its up to specs will be fine.

any camshaft place will be able to make grind from scratch, it will cost alot tho. do rpw regrind or are they new cams? either way a regrind as long as its up to specs will be fine.

RPW ones are new cams, not regrinds.

When I said it's a shame no one else does cams for Magnas I was more meaning something I could buy off the shelf so I don't have to pay all the R&D costs up front :D

I emailed Crow Cams a few weeks ago... asked them if they had anything for us, and they said that they were going to look at them hopefully early next year. It was nothing definite, but at least something to hope for.

Then again, the more of us that ask for them, the more they might be encouraged to design some!

RPW ones are new cams, not regrinds.

When I said it's a shame no one else does cams for Magnas I was more meaning something I could buy off the shelf so I don't have to pay all the R&D costs up front :D
You could always buy a set of Ralliart Cams.. at least they are half the price of RPW's (they quoted over $1000 for a set of stage 1's) .. The ralliarts are $450 for the set..

How long do you want to wait?

I know someone here personally that has had to wait a few months for something that was told to take "about two weeks"

Looks like ralliart cams are main option now... now only were to get port & polish

i'm still waiting on some of my parts
Got the greddy anbout 3 months ago and am still waiting on the tuning software and pressure sensor that was orderend the same time.
could've got the software from autobarn.

Anyone know where you get the ralliart cams from and wat difference does it make.

just to add another detail. Nick (EuroAccord) bought RPW stage 2 cams, they didnt fit properly, Dave was going to pay for a local (melb) workshop to modify them, they still didnt fit correctly, Nick sent them back, and is still waiting for his refund. and all this happened about...... a year ago? great business practice.

Ralliart cams I would dare say could be sourced through your local mitsubishi dealer. And for $500 for the set is a bloody good price as far as cams go.

As for the port and polish - Just about any competent performance minded mechanic in Australia should be able to do this. The only key really is knowing how much meat you can take off while porting it. One or two phone calls should sort this out.

Ralliart cams I would dare say could be sourced through your local mitsubishi dealer. And for $500 for the set is a bloody good price as far as cams go.

As for the port and polish - Just about any competent performance minded mechanic in Australia should be able to do this. The only key really is knowing how much meat you can take off while porting it. One or two phone calls should sort this out.

not always, need to find a place who is good at head work.. some people just do what seems right and the results arent too crash hot..

and would the ralliart cams fit a 2000 TH :think:

Well I hope I get my refund from RPW as they sent already paid goods through via C.O.D
Ended up paying for them again so I could get my parts quicker.

But then again I haven't really had any serious problems with these guys except for the C.O.D stuff up.

Does anyone know the dificulty in installing cams. I haven't really looked into this much as yet. :think:

and would the ralliart cams fit a 2000 TH :think:

Well I hope I get my refund from RPW as they sent already paid goods through via C.O.D
Ended up paying for them again so I could get my parts quicker.

But then again I haven't really had any serious problems with these guys except for the C.O.D stuff up.

Does anyone know the dificulty in installing cams. I haven't really looked into this much as yet. :think:

I have to admit Dave does seem to mix up "I will pay by DD" and "Please send COD" :nuts: With the T/B and headers I ordered recently I put on the order that I'd pay by DD (it usually works out cheaper than COD and is less of a PITA) but when I asked him where the stuff was he said the T/B had been sent out COD lol But fortunately I hadn't paid for either yet so it doesn't bother me.

As for waiting for stuff to turn up, I don't have a problem with that so long as I know what's going on, and so far Dave's been communicative in that regard so I'm happy.

You could always buy a set of Ralliart Cams.. at least they are half the price of RPW's (they quoted over $1000 for a set of stage 1's) .. The ralliarts are $450 for the set..

May well consider that yet. Although [grain of salt]according to Dave[/grain of salt], the Ralliart cams are more of a Stage 0.5 grind. Still, at least they're guaranteed and Mitsu did make them!

Anyone know where you get the ralliart cams from and wat difference does it make.

They might not be suited for a forced induction setup as they are designed for an NA engine (might have too much overlap for a turbocharged engine).

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Greetings All.


They might not be suited for a forced induction setup as they are designed for an NA engine (might have too much overlap for a turbocharged engine).
Very true here Phonic! I wonder whether crow cams would do some custom cams??

Ill look into it for a group buy!

Cheers,
--Tonba
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This forum needs to get on the research with regards to putting ralliart cams in our engines, we have people who know were to buy them for such a low price but are unsure as to were to get them installed and tuned...

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Greetings All.

Im aware of NO cam mob supposting magnas....
Thats why I said I'd look into some custom cams...

Cheers,
--Tonba
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May well consider that yet. Although [grain of salt]according to Dave[/grain of salt], the Ralliart cams are more of a Stage 0.5 grind. Still, at least they're guaranteed and Mitsu did make them!

yeah i read that, but isnt the ralliart magna engine just a normal engine with an exhaust, ecu tune and the ralliart cams? therefore isnt it a reasonable assumption that a full exhaust, ecu tune and these cams would give your car 180kw's? for 500 buks thats bloody good value! i wonder if i can do that on a new car warranty... :D

also the RPW cams may have a more "aggresive" cam profile and therefore give the engine more top end power.. but that will mean the engine will loose torque.. thats not a good thing in a heavy car like a magna.. so maybe even though the RPW cams give more power, the ralliart cams are simply superior? and they're built by mitsubishi!!

also the RPW cams may have a more "aggresive" cam profile and therefore give the engine more top end power.. but that will mean the engine will loose torque.. thats not a good thing in a heavy car like a magna..


I think this is right. I'm no cam expert but as with a lot of other mods, power is increased at one point in the rev range to the detriment of power or torque elsewhere. On the track this may be okay as you drive at higher revs anyway, but around town it may actually be worse.

As for the Dave/RPW thing, I ordered a thermal manifold insulator block from him on Thursday, did a direct deposit into the RPW account and recieved the insulator block in Canberra today. So no complaints from me so far :D


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The Ralliart's have higher compression pistons, a set of mild headers, some de-dagging head work and various ECU tweaks, so just whacking in the new cams and a free-flowing exhaust will probably still see you a little bit shy of the factory Ralliart spec power.

Power and torque are related so you can't gain power but lose torque.. but I think you're saying you will sacrifice low down torque for high up torque which might be true, however I'd doubt a Stage 1, being slightly more agressive than the ralliart cams, will make a noticable difference to off the line urge but should provide more poke up top.. not that I'd know cos I ain't got 'em, but hey.

Still, for ~13kW more at the wheels and considering you can probably get these installed for the price you can buy the RPW sticks it sounds like a bargain.

caz these are "ralliart" cams will them sell them to any old magna owner without a ralliart ?

caz these are "ralliart" cams will them sell them to any old magna owner without a ralliart ?

can you get the whole ralliart heads and ralliart low compression pistons aswel??? :D

and ralliart low compression pistons aswel??? :D


NO you want the higher compression pistions lol not lower ones!!!

NO you want the higher compression pistions lol not lower ones!!!

yeah man meant HIGHer compression.. just stuffed up :P

that would be a point.... dealers wont sell u ralliart bodykits without a real ralliart (dissolution of brand)... but if they would sell u the mechanicals... that would be great !!! (no dissolution of brand either in that case)....
hmmmm....

find out ! find out ! find out ! (im too lazy to do it.)

WSDwoooooshhhhh.....

"funky fresian cows" works at a Mitsu dealer, he was talking about getting Ralliart cams a while ago. :cool:

He would be the man to speak to about purchasing and tuning. :)

Yeah he'd be the man to talk to, PM him.