Hey People,

A few questions about the E-manage.

1) Do you need the original ECU to use it? Or will it work independantly?

2) Will it work with a turboed Astron 2?

I just want to know this sort of thing before i go out and spend 700 - 800 on one and then it turns out it wont work =/

Thanks,

AF

its a piggy back ecu so it uses data from the std one and modifys it, yes it will work on ur car and it even has a seperate function of boost

Ok, i get that. Now if i buy a stocko ECU and wire it in, then piggyback the Emanage onto it, it will run fine?

Boost functions are good :D

well if u wire in the stocko ecu properly yes!

but really, it only modifys the stocko ecu data, (well this is how i understand it)

ur gonna have to get it tuned on a dyno but then if u get the cable n software u can then change the maps urself using a lappy or car pc, but that = +180 odd

but yer this is all afaik

Any idea on cost to have it tuned? I will install it all myself so installation costs wont imply.

tuning is a couple of undred..you could ask some one with an e-manage on a turbod astron and ask for a copy of ther map and then adjust it to ur engine and your specs, wouldnt be hard.. is this possible? i think it would be...

Yeah, probably the way to go! But ive gotta work out how to wire it all in :S

And i dont know of anyone with a Emanage in an astron?

you could ask some one with an e-manage on a turbod astron and ask for a copy of ther map and then adjust it to ur engine and your specs, wouldnt be hard.. is this possible? i think it would be...
errrr yer ull have problems finding people with a turboed astron with a emanage to copy off of......
Tho with the price of a emanage that af showd me you could afford to get some one to tune it HAHAHA :bowrofl:

:P If i remember correctly, they were american prices =/

dont get a piggy back ecu, you'll only ever regret it

But i dont know what im looking for in relation to a proper ECU =/

like ive seen said before and have seen ran astron turbos, get a haltech E6K, i think booya has this, or maybe the X.. they're decent, Microtech are decent too, maybe even Link?

You will have to get whatever buy dyno tuned, that'll apply to everything so just factor it into the price, ring around some performance places and get prices but i think its pretty exy for a couple of hours, im talking well into the hundreds, after all if its $50 for a discount dyno run with no actual tune, the cost of actually tuning your car one would imagine would be over $100 but then again, who you talk to and what prices etc..

Wiring in the ECU will be a complete bastard too, if i was you i'd get an auto elec to wire in the ecu-loom etc it might cost but if you have ever seen a wiring loom sitting on a car seat you'll crap yourself.. its about as tall as a person sitting there (not that drastic) theres a whole absolute load of wiring etc and you'll be lost up that good old river without some professional help.

As for getting a shop to do everything, i'd go actually visit some, walk into the workshop and see if you like the look of their work, talk to them and see what they'd price you on an AM ecu/wiring install and dyno tune, it'd probably cheaper all up then if you split it into chunks - just an idea? i'd take a rough stab at a price since ive been talking about it and an install and tune (not perfect but decent) would be anywhere around the 800 mark, most probably more since you need the whole loom wired in since your going to efi from carb yeah?.. so maybe even in the low 1000$ mark.. who knows bro but its a big step but once you get the magna boosted it'll all be worth it.

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Full ECU VS Piggyback (emanage etc) Now i'd be certain you couldnt get something like an apexi power fc wired in, maybe a more expensive model but you most often get a 'bonus' hand controller with those, wolf systems are decent and link are a decent local manufacturer, these are however 'full ecu's or replacement systems, an emanage and the like are piggyback because you chomp into your current ecu's feed and they actually alter what the factory ecu see's so infact you would be biting yourself on the arse not getting a proper ecu while will FOR SURE have more features then a piggyback which is really designed for minimal mod running, aka a first gen EFI with a cam, just to let it run, when your doing some major changes and piggyback and ecu will just not do, no doubt when you get serious with bigger injectors and maybe a bigger turbs etc, you will hit the wall real REAL fast with a piggyback where as on a proper ecu you will just retune and adjust, no worries champ. prices sure are differnt but you do get what you pay for and really, there is NO point for you getting a piggyback - it wont do what you NEED it to do, you need a full aftermarket ecu system son, go hard or sell your turbo motor to me and i'll go hard ;)

Thanks for that Nick, i have an aftermarket loom (i know what you mean, i **** myself the first time i saw one!!) that i will likely use, i think Haltech is the way to go, but Link is also a good idea, i saw one on eBay not long ago for not very much.

ide love to be able to help, i should really move to brissy and just get by on working on ppls cars :)

Well drive down and help me then!! I could sure use it!

do it then you backhills gimp, you can tune whatever i buy, whatever it is there will be some tuning time for it thats for sure.

I said link cause they're NZ, which is almost australia, so go the underdogs! plus it has a little handcontroller type thing, im not sure about the haltech etc, i think they're a big more hardcore and you need a laptop etc to change them, more race-purpose stuff... i guess thats something else to brag about eh?

aussie is in vic not brisbane either.... brisbane cant help aussie.

Haha, for sure! Emanage has a thing you can buy that has the actual computer in the car so you can program it from there :D

hand controller, but theres only certain things you can do with that, you still need a dyno tune to get your mixtures etc, fine tune it to the best performance. so anything you buy will HAVE to be dyno tuned, dont let anyone fool you out of that cause its pathetic thinking you can just put in iddqd and get godmode from the emanage, the apex power fc has a hand controller too, its a full ecu, its also got some cool features that the emanage doesnt like closed loop idle control cause if you add bigger injectors your gonna idle like your granma's panties in an earthquake but it has that feature, like i said before, the emanage - however tempting it shall be - it even LOOKS cool - isnt very much short of what you need. the more dollars you spend the more you can brag.

I totally agree, when i sell the stock car (get ready to laugh, cos im probably wrong) I m hoping to get $2000, i probably wont get it, but if i can that should pay for the ECU and for the tuning, but as you say, the more i pay, the better i get!! :D

word, you can have the car on the dyno for a lesser amount of time, they'll still say "you'll need a minimum of 1 1/2 hours to drive the car safely" or whatever so your not detonating your ring out driving it home but the more time its on the rollers the finer tuned it will be and the more *****SPOWAR you will get.. while your throwing the blocks around are you gonna do a timing chain tensioner replace etc on it so you dont have to later? does it have a larger oil pump etc? it'd probably serve to think seriously about your plans for this car and if your gonna go throwing on a big mumma turbs and some hardcore internals later upgrade stuff like the oil pump now while its easy for you, saves it down the track.. another thought.

Its going to get better internals sometime in its life, and the timing chain is going to have to be done (cant afford that bit atm, more excuse to pull it out again later :P) and it should have a better oil pump in it.

Im thinking a TD05 or even bigger at a later stage so its going to have to get the good **** now lol

lol, i love the school internet, soooo fast! :bowrofl:

too big man, specialy on stock internals, you want something that will peak about 12psi, im thinking a t28 or if cash permits a GT28. the bigger the turbo, the more the lag, the more the top end hp, the more the stress on the engine. if u get a smaller turbo which can push the maximum psi at higher rpm, say about 12psi, then u will have 12psi from about 2500rpm and bulk torque down low, meaning a faster car, sure it will have less HP but it will be faster on the road/strip for sure.

Hey TC, u should go to MM04 and then come down to my place to help me with the car! :P:P