when it comes to mechanics so I was hoping if people could share some knowledge. Just a few quick questions about pods:

1) Does installing one invalidate the warranty?

2) Is it possible to swap back and forth from pod to stock air-intake easily?

3) If yes to q2, is it possible to do so without making it look like you've done it so they don't pickup on it when you take your car in for service??!!

See, if installing a pod invalidates the warranty on a new Magna, then I was considering maybe playing a bit of sneaky buggers and installing it anyway and taking it out again every 15,000 for the services so they didn't know. But of course I wouldn't have to worry if it didn't invalidate the warranty.

Cheers,
- Phil
VRX-81

its as easy as changing a few bolts,
like a 20 min job if that
and they wouldnt suspect it

Phil.... Let me say before "Widowmaker" does....
if you put a panel fileter in then it is a straight swap with the origional panel...
3min job.
If you change to a POD you also have to make sure that you stop all the heat from the engine bay from getting into the intake... (can be hard.) So Id say you are better with panel unless you want to create a secial cold air intake... which the service people will for shaw see.
Haydn

Phil.... Let me say before "Widowmaker" does....
Haydn

If that is your car in your avator it is beautiful and I personally wouldnt tarnish it with a Pod filter. With my panel when i take the car for service i just whip out the K and N and put back in the paper filter one from Mitsubishi to make sure they dont throw out or damage my K and N , to swap the 2 over takes less then 10 seconds

"Less than 10 sec..." HUH!!!!
you have to pull the bonnet lever, walk to the front, open the latch, lift the hood, unclick the two goldish tabs holding the panel in, slide the panel out, get hte K&N out of its packet, align it the correct way, push it down into the slot, make sure it is seated properly, flip the goldish clips back over and secure, put the paper filter into the K&N box, close the hood, gert in the car and start her up........
Goto to be at lest 30sec! :P
Haydn

panel filter pff why would you want one of those!
Lately i have been looking through my old car magazines and I found a report on this topic.
July edition of fast fours magazine
In this report they take a Satria (standard air box looks similar to magna) and put in a variety of panel air filters and pod ram air filters. The best performance from a panel filter was K&N and here is the notes from it
"Gave a 1kw increase around 4500rpm and another around 6000rmp but dropped 1kw above 7000rmp"

WHY WOULD YOU PAY $130 TO GAIN 1KW.

Now the best pod ram air filter was again K&N
"gave a very good increase throughout the rev range, with a measurable improvment down and a consistant 2kw improvement from 4000rmp right through to 74000rpm"

This report also included the folowing filters: Blitz SUS pod, HKS Power Flow pod, KAZE pod, Rapid pod, Pipercross panel, Razo pod, Simota pod, Simota pod with it's own cool air induction system, Trust panel, O^2 Rush pod and Kingdragon.

To answer another question to my knowledge a pod ram air filter does not void your warranty but if you get cold air induction then it will void your warranty. Don't hold me this though

*cuts out ranting *

Look we have had this discussion 100 times , please come back when your not an idiot.

ps > please take no offence your probably not an idiot just acting like one.


"Less than 10 sec..." HUH!!!!
you have to pull the bonnet lever, walk to the front, open the latch, lift the hood, unclick the two goldish tabs holding the panel in, slide the panel out, get hte K&N out of its packet, align it the correct way, push it down into the slot, make sure it is seated properly, flip the goldish clips back over and secure, put the paper filter into the K&N box, close the hood, gert in the car and start her up........
Goto to be at lest 30sec! :P
Haydn

Naaa the magna always used to have the bonnet up when it was in the garage :lol: , ok lets make a deal we meet somewhere are we can see if you can change your pod setup back to factory before i can :badgrin:

hey all i'm stating is dyno tested results done by professionals and the results show that panel filters give little to no improvements to standard filters, hey if they only costed $50 I would say they would be an affordable substitute but they are not cheap, I just can't see the advantage of having one, might as well stick with the standard filter in my opinion.

If you are so convinced by it's improvements then why don't you dyno test your car with the K&N and with the standard air filter to see any improvements, it probably would be the only way to solve the arguement.

hey all i'm stating is dyno tested results done by professionals and the results show that panel filters give little to no improvements to standard filters, hey if they only costed $50 I would say they would be an affordable substitute but they are not cheap, I just can't see the advantage of having one, might as well stick with the standard filter in my opinion.

If you are so convinced by it's improvements then why don't you dyno test your car with the K&N and with the standard air filter to see any improvements, it probably would be the only way to solve the arguement.

Bloody hell , didnt you read my previous post ?

Since we have done this all before lets do it for the 600th time just for you.

When they Dynomometer the car they have the bonnet open exposing the pod filter to like 400% more cold and non turbulent are then it would get with the bonnet closed on the road in real life situations. So if you dyno the car with the pod with the bonnet closed you will get a much different result , but this doenst matter with the panel filter you can dyno it with the bonnet closed or open since the air intake tract is not open to the engine bay.

And i never Once said i bought a K and N panel for power tell me WHY the **** would you buy a air filter to gain 600Bhp ? its just not going to happen a filtration unit is to keep nasty's out of your expensive engine nothing more , i just bought it so i have a BETTER filtration system not more powerful but better and that i never have to replace it like i would with the paper element , Believe me when i had my lancer i ripped the engine intake off from the throttle body back and constructed my own.

So rather then my typing anymore since your not listening to reason anymore you can just search this forum for pod filter and electronic blow off valve because with electonic blow off valve's you can gain upto 40kw's at the front wheel's infact if you get both your engine will produce 50% more power. And while where on the subject ive heard underbody neon's are also good for 100hp

:!:

now who is acting like an idiot!

on an important note: can somebody answer the question that is most important here, is a pod filter going to void the warranty! All these posts do not address the main reason for this post, widowmaker if you know so much then you should know the answer to this question

now who is acting like an idiot!

on an important note: can somebody answer the question that is most important here, is a pod filter going to void the warranty! All these posts do not address the main reason for this post, widowmaker if you know so much then you should know the answer to this question

Yes , You are!

I dont know so much , Everyone on this forum can asnwer your question because its been asked so much because You havnt been able to click on search.

Yes it will void warranty because you have modified it , did you hear about a guy bought a brand new WRX spun a bearing on number 1 conrod and because he had an aftermarket exhaust put on they wouldnt warrant it and he basicly need's a new engine now.

If you want to put on a pod do it , if you want to continue being an idiot do it. Im certainly not going to stop you but for **** sake dont ask the same thing over and over

if you look at the previous posts then you will realise that I never asked the question of whats better pod or panel. I just added to the information that TButcher and yourself added because I thought it had some importance.
On another note RPW say that pod air filters will not void warranty, according to them they have developed a list of modifications between themselves and mitsubishi that will not void warranties. According to them cold air intake systems voids the warranty but if you use the standard air intake setup it doesn't. Hey I am just adding info that is important to this subject.

[quote:cbd22f07c6]Now the best pod ram air filter was again K&N
"gave a very good increase throughout the rev range, with a measurable improvment down and a consistant 2kw improvement from 4000rmp right through to 74000rpm"[/quote:cbd22f07c6]

Now if buying a pod will make my engine rev to 74000rpm then sign me up now :badgrin:

yeh typo, it's a bit funny anyways

ok I don't know if a POD voids the warranty but I KNOW that a Panel filter doesn't. So for all of you that have a K&N panel don't bother taking it out during service, I left mine in and when I got the car back it was cleaned and re-oiled :p heheh.

I also didn't get it for a power increase, it does increase response a little, but also filters better than a standard filter for a lot longer before it needs cleanning, and doesn't need replacment, A new filter(stock) cost me around $80 to replace on my mums TF, My K&N cost me aroudn $110.

hey phonic what other mods have you done to the car, just looking at your signature 110kw at the wheels with an auto, just curious thats all more to get an idea where i will be at

hey phonic what other mods have you done to the car, just looking at your signature 110kw at the wheels with an auto, just curious thats all more to get an idea where i will be at

You notice whoever DOESNT have pods have some decent dyno readings for magna's :lol:

widowmaker-get over it :badgrin:

widowmaker-get over it :badgrin:

if you can make your magna get 125 at the wheels with just an exhaust system and a pod filter give me a call then i will bow to you :badgrin:

Hey have you ever thought to think that you never have to buy an air filter again?

That's the reason I bought it...not for the power gain.

Also the filtration in the K&N is more efficient than a paper filter.

Those reasons alone were enough.

Lets try not to get testy on here...Im not pointing fingers at anyone...just lets all relax.

damn widowmaker you're really stubborn about the panel filter being better. lol

Anyway yeah a pod does void your warranty. However the only time they will void your warranty is if there is a problem and they link it up to the pod filter. But if you do get a problem you just chuck the panel back in and act innocent.

As for covering it up.. if you keep the front piece of the box that will cover up most of the direct engine heat. The main reason you would want to cover it up is because it isn't legal to have oil (filters have oil on them) exposed in the engine bay. I small metal cover covering the top and sides wouldnt be too hard to make and would slip right off when needed if you make it properly.

If you dont drill any holes in your car to fit the pod (you dont have to unless you got some odd installation idea) changing from a pod to a panel and vice versa is impossible to tell.

btw widowmaker id like to see your car and another with the same mods go on the exact same dyno one after another. With all due respect, 125kw with your mods at the wheels doesnt make the slightest sence.

btw widowmaker id like to see your car and another with the same mods go on the exact same dyno one after another. With all due respect, 125kw with your mods at the wheels doesnt make the slightest sence.

Now that's it you crossed the line when you called me a lair. Thank you for that i havnt heard that in a while but if that's what you think of me then so be it.

But anyway since im a liar i will tell you some more porky pies. the same day i got my car dynoed another guy got a magna dynoed an auto 3.5 with exhaust , pod filter and somthing else and he got 114 odd kw's , and the place where i got my exhaust made had made one for another magna any they have an inhouse dyno dynamics dyno and after they put the exhaust on they got 124kw's.

So its not just me that's lying its a whole big consprisy and i guess your invovled too, that's bloody low calling someone a liar with no proof what so ever , for now i have lost respect for you !

[quote:1f16c5c7ca]
hey phonic what other mods have you done to the car, just looking at your signature 110kw at the wheels with an auto, just curious thats all more to get an idea where i will be at
[/quote:1f16c5c7ca]

mr_mbquart I have a 2.5" cat back with hiflow muffler and a Unichip besides the panel filter.

Ooooh Wow!!

I come back from a weekend offline and we have another POD vs Panel event going!!

Gee Wizz Batman!!

As far as warranty goes - I am unsure - maybe it would be easier to call Mitsu Direct!!

Easy to fit - define easy - and as for replacement - well - u can change it is you like.

I am still running factory paper filters and I have had no issues at all.

and I pulled mine out the other day a day bfeore my servce and i had bugs and dust all through it!!

The Pod however will give an induction noise that some ppl like - but then u have issues with law infringements!!

It is best to just swap with teh K&N Panel and then u don't void warranty, your car breathes better and has better filtration - and it is cheaper!!

As for power - it is not a power modification!!!

Manual

widowmaker - I wasnt calling you a liar. Other people saw what your car pulled on the dyno and i believe thats what the dyno read out. What im more questioning is how your car managed that with what its got and the actual dyno you ran on.

Who knows there might be some kinda botch up when they made your car and its pulling few extra horsies. I know a guy with a stock el falcon xr6 that had that kind of thing happen to it.

Apologies for you getting the impression that im calling you a liar. I know that you arent.

well thanks everybody for your opinions and knowledge and shedding some light on the matter for me, didn't mean to create so much controversy. based on everything I've read, I definitely won't be getting a pod... illegal and warranty-voiding just don't do it for me.

now a quick dyno question. the 3.5 L VR-X engine has an output of 163 kW, but obviously this isn't going to be crankshaft power taking into account friction, aerodynamics in motion and all that. so has anybody put a TJ model VR-X/Sports on the dyno, and if so, what was max *crankshaft* power at the wheels?

cheers,
- phil.

no that is almost right - the figures are quite correct.

Mine pulled 119.6 at the wheels and 149 at teh fly - considering 147 stock and i have changed my muffler it is perfect almost.

but the autos lose more power to the ground yes!

Manual

Lets all throw in some cash and use a magna to run a dyno for a panel and a pod :D

Im not even going to get involved in the latest Pod Vs Panel conversation.

However i am going to say PODS all the way :D

Lets all throw in some cash and use a magna to run a dyno for a panel and a pod :D

Well if blake really wanted to prove his product he could send me a pod and i would get both pod and panel dyno tested in a few ways and then we would know what is best then return the pod to blake , but because blake is a big girlscout that aint going to happen :lol:

However i am going to say Blondes all the way :D

Says Mr clear tail lights :badgrin:

hang on... now i missed half the widow maker story.. but physically how is a panel filter going to provide the same amount of air as a pod (be it hot or not) when it goes through that damn small (yes it is small) snorkel thing on the front of the air box on a magna???? maybe the torque down low might be effected but up higher i've seen much better results with a pod (true not on a magna yet, none have been directly compared, but on my old VL 'dore, there was at least a 5% difference on the dyno and on a mates SS Gen III, about a 10% difference!!!) and considering a dyno does not blow anywhere near the same air into the engine bay as standard driving (yes a standard dyno will not test any filter setup well) that has to make an improvement out on the road!!!!

i challenge you to go and get a pod filter... dont take to blake about it... so far i have not heard firm results from you're preaching.. and i wanna see it from a magna perspective!!!

hang on... now i missed half the widow maker story.. but physically how is a panel filter going to provide the same amount of air as a pod (be it hot or not) when it goes through that damn small (yes it is small) snorkel thing on the front of the air box on a magna???? maybe the torque down low might be effected but up higher i've seen much better results with a pod (true not on a magna yet, none have been directly compared, but on my old VL 'dore, there was at least a 5% difference on the dyno and on a mates SS Gen III, about a 10% difference!!!) and considering a dyno does not blow anywhere near the same air into the engine bay as standard driving (yes a standard dyno will not test any filter setup well) that has to make an improvement out on the road!!!!

i challenge you to go and get a pod filter... dont take to blake about it... so far i have not heard firm results from you're preaching.. and i wanna see it from a magna perspective!!!

That who post was so far from being anything remotely competent that im not going to dignify it with a response!

I don't remembersaying blondes all the way...

Widow you are more than welcome to purchase a pod to ease your curiosity. I just don't have sufficient capital to buy a test pod to try and put an end to this debate becuase knowing you you'd still be stubborn and say panels all the way ;)

If i was to send you a pod, AussieMagna would be no more as how could i afford to pay next months internet hosts bill? Im sure you wouldn't be too popular with other fellow magna lowers :lol:

[quote:f677f35d4c="dingo"]hang on... now i missed half the widow maker story.. but physically how is a panel filter going to provide the same amount of air as a pod (be it hot or not) when it goes through that damn small (yes it is small) snorkel thing on the front of the air box on a magna???? maybe the torque down low might be effected but up higher i've seen much better results with a pod (true not on a magna yet, none have been directly compared, but on my old VL 'dore, there was at least a 5% difference on the dyno and on a mates SS Gen III, about a 10% difference!!!) and considering a dyno does not blow anywhere near the same air into the engine bay as standard driving (yes a standard dyno will not test any filter setup well) that has to make an improvement out on the road!!!!

i challenge you to go and get a pod filter... dont take to blake about it... so far i have not heard firm results from you're preaching.. and i wanna see it from a magna perspective!!!

That who post was so far from being anything remotely competent that im not going to dignify it with a response![/quote:f677f35d4c]

nah bitch, prove it... you already acknowledged my post so do something... stop preaching against pods when you have done nothing, at least in the myriad of the posts i've searching (and yes i have viewed many of the pod vs panel threads!!!) to prove that the panels work as well or better than pods!

I have to agree with Dingo.

I've tried both a Panel and Pod and found the pod to be a better performer with a simple cold air induction system. Have you tried a pod Widow?

nah, i reckon his got some grudge against them (for god only knows why) and his sticking to it! there has to be a reason that all race cars have a pod filter, yeah, even the HKS twin turbo skyline has POD filters... surprise surprise!!! i'm sure if panel worked better they would feature in all the Hot 4's and Speed, and street machine's if this world!

I don't remembersaying blondes all the way...



Yes you do , i think i remember your own life :D




If i was to send you a pod, AussieMagna would be no more as how could i afford to pay next months internet hosts bill? Im sure you wouldn't be too popular with other fellow magna lowers :lol:

Im already unpopular with aussiemagna and how does this change things ?

the reason im not fighting you dingo is because you are so bloody simplistic about your approach and its so damn obviousl that i dont want to waste time explaining it , and Yes blake if you have ever read any of my post's ive in the past made a complete intake system complete with K and N pod filter years ago.

You wouldnt be out of money as soon as ive done the testing i would sent the pod back and you know i dont bullshit so if the pod's better its better but untill that day you cannot prove otherwise however i have logic and physics on my side so nar nar :lol:

Please untill you start making sense and actually trying to understand where you have so simply gone wrong dont try to argue dingo

Cheers
Widowmaker , the man on the mission.... whatever that mission is , arhh that's right mission 1 *strokes bomb*

umm... widowmaker whether you send the pod back or not doesnt make a difference... blake would still be out of pocket. He cant sell a USED pod.

umm... widowmaker whether you send the pod back or not doesnt make a difference... blake would still be out of pocket. He cant sell a USED pod.

Ps , I dont like you

He doesnt want to prove his product , that's just fine but asimilar to "fat buster's" and "do it for your monkeys" on TV add's dont expect thinking people to beleave there outrage's claims

if i was to run the panel filter, id change the intake, with tubing going down to the fog light area. each one has the pros and cons

Panel pros
any lamer can put this in
easy to look after
Not void of warranty, depending on what your warranty does
no fuss power gain

Panel cons
boring
less power
less noise

Pod pros
look sexy
with a good cold air system, it works well
sounds good winding up

cons
expensive
head***
gotta make custom stuff so if ya slack dont bother
illegal n stuff


mmm my basic over view, it may suck but its 2am ;)

Ha... Glad to see you manipulate what people say... Never did i say i dont like you.. However I am starting to get sick of your attitude to be honest. You seem to be the one who's having the hissy fit constantly about POD vs panel. Fine you say dont expect people to believe a pod is better. That works the same way for a panel too. The thing is the majority of people have found pods too be better, hence why they are used sooo damn much.

You argued for a while POD's are illegal.. They arent.. If people bothered to properly enclose them they would be completely legal.. If someone didnt enclose the front side of a panel it would be just as illegal as a pod.

Dingo before asked you a question.. Fine you found it stupid. You didn't have to call him an utter moron for it. These forums are to help people out not insult them and make them not want to bother with this community anymore.

Ha... Glad to see you manipulate what people say... Never did i say i dont like you.. However I am starting to get sick of your attitude to be honest. You seem to be the one who's having the hissy fit constantly about POD vs panel. Fine you say dont expect people to believe a pod is better. That works the same way for a panel too. The thing is the majority of people have found pods too be better, hence why they are used sooo damn much.

You argued for a while POD's are illegal.. They are ... If people bothered to complain as much as me and still be wrong because i made no sense at all then ofcouse i would be as upset as i am. Panels for 3v3r leet haxor

Dingo before asked you a question.. Fine you found it stupid. You didn't have to call him an utter moron for it. These forums are to help people out not insult them and make them not want to bother with this community anymore. you shouldnt do it Because its my job to call you a lair and insult you because quite franky i dont like you.

Hahaha awwww look now what ive gone and done i upset GaMiSou and i didnt swear or call him a lair or nothin :lol:

well im glad none of your post made sense.

hmmm this thread is going no where fast just like a magna with a pod filter so untill someone starts making sense bah

quiet now, yes you have views but insults isnt coo, hmmm maybe you should pin a topic so it stays at the top for people to read so threads stop getting made and this bitch fight contiues

quiet now, yes you have views but insults isnt coo, hmmm maybe you should pin a topic so it stays at the top for people to read so threads stop getting made and this B**** fight contiues

Great even more restrictions to our freedom top idea , but if you want to help atleast stay on topic... current topic is try to prove widow wrong and yell at him.

Heheheeh just kidding MethoD ... your allllllright :D

Seems to me no ones post that doesnt say "Panel" and "better" in the same sentence makes sence to you.

i cbf'ed jumping in, i bought a pod for something to do, panel is just too easy.

and im too happy to be yell :D

Gents,
If I may interject with a thoughts from an engineering point of view.
1. An engine in an air pump more air in = more power

2. The easiest way to do this from the inlet point of view to to reduce the restriction

3. What needs to be done and I will do if for you and report back is to measure the restriction at several points along the inlet track.
a. At the entrance to the factory CAI
b. On the front of the air filter
c. behind the air filter (Factory)
d. Just after the air flow meter

4. By doing this we will be able to see where the most restriciton is in the inlet tract and we will have quantifyable evidence as to what is going to provide the best improvement.

5. I think that it goes without saying that the colder the inlet charge the better you will be regardless of the configuration of the inlet.

Widow, You have made statements about the relative benifits of a K&N over a pod but I am yet to see any emperical data as show above to verify your statements. I will keep everyone up to date on the results.

Cheers
Paul

P.S If I get time I will also do temp calculations also.

on an important note: can somebody answer the question that is most important here, is a pod filter going to void the warranty!

It will not void your warranty.. UNLESS it can be proven it was the cause of your engine going spastic on you.

Same goes for any other mods on your Magna.

Get super low springs and a strut busts? If its proven it was because of the super lows then you pay to have it fixed.. Simple as that.

This conversation is over for me :lol: Been there done that.

In my opinion Pods are better, thats just my opinion, that doesn't mean to say im right or wrong. Its simply what i prefer

I kindly request that this thread be deleted - it is a petty arguament and is giving us all a bad name to visitors to the site.

i agree..

Ok all those in favour of deleting Widowmaker..... raise your hands. =;





hehe jk
Haydn

Oh and for the record... I have a POD never tried a panel.. love the POD.. but I agree with Widowmaker about the P v's P debate.

I think we have gone a bit off topic here

So =;

ok so this has gone way off topic. and now some people are saying it will void the warranty and some say it won't. some people are saying it is illegal and some say it ain't. so I guess this is what I'll be doing:

1) find relevant QLD transport act legislation - which is, at best, ambiguous and inconsistent anyway - and try to decode some sort of black and white answer.

2) contact mitsu and ask about the warranty issue.

cheers for your help and feedback peoples.
looking forward to seeing some measurements and calculations Paul. I used to be into physics myself but my career ended up on the biological extreme of science. I'm developing a simple *and so far very flawed* formula for working out actual crankshaft power output if you know:
* how long it takes your vehicle to do 400 m in
* what your terminal velocity is at the end of 400 m
* how much mass your vehicle had at the time of measurement
using equations for average acceleration + velocity, work, force and of course power!

400 M times are not the best way to work out power due to different ppl being able to have better 1/4 mile times and speeds in the same car!!

Manual

Well im goin 2 back flip from a few months back. I ran a pod on my car for about 3months. Gone back to just the standard set up with KnN panel. Im with widow. The only real diff is noise. Thats all im feeling.

Police will defect you for a pod...trust me, they will pick on u unitl they find sumfin...pod is the easiest way!

If u go a pod i recomend u know someone who can run quickly to get your stock set-up when ya engine ***s up or u crash it and need insurance cover...if they dont know...itl get cancelled.
It wont void warrenty if u can prove it wasnt the cause...good luck

and widow...u know i luv u bro!

The only way you can get defected for a pod is if its not enclosed.. If you just use a piece of metal around the pod you cant get defected. Its a bit hard to tell the difference between a pod and a panel just by driving. Best way to tell the difference is on a dyno.

And raise ya hand if u have built a proper enclouser for your pod? Just like i thought...basically no1...

On a dyno both will come up with a 1-5kw increase...MAYBE! Every dyno run will u a different ready...majority of the time...

This needs a g-tech or sumfin...a v8 supercar comp set-up would b sweet

Gents,
If I may interject with a thoughts from an engineering point of view.
1. An engine in an air pump more air in = more power

2. The easiest way to do this from the inlet point of view to to reduce the restriction

3. What needs to be done and I will do if for you and report back is to measure the restriction at several points along the inlet track.
a. At the entrance to the factory CAI
b. On the front of the air filter
c. behind the air filter (Factory)
d. Just after the air flow meter

4. By doing this we will be able to see where the most restriciton is in the inlet tract and we will have quantifyable evidence as to what is going to provide the best improvement.

5. I think that it goes without saying that the colder the inlet charge the better you will be regardless of the configuration of the inlet.

Widow, You have made statements about the relative benifits of a K&N over a pod but I am yet to see any emperical data as show above to verify your statements. I will keep everyone up to date on the results.

Cheers
Paul

P.S If I get time I will also do temp calculations also.

Have you even mentioned the perfectly tuned intake tract for which an NA car's engine must use to perform and make maximum power and the fact that by modifying it you may be creating a bigger air mass but air velosity is actually decreased and you dont need a large air mass if it is slow moving that is quite useless you need a small air mass with a high terminal speed thus the panel in basic physics theory is better and thus many air intakes on car's are long and winding not because they wanted to use more materials in the production but because they had to design the air intake to match the engine so it could produce power but thus you think this to be incorrect and Mitsubishi and everyother car maker is wrong and you are correct they are just wasting there money on development , well i would like to see you march up to them and tell them how to save millions because im sure they will be glad to know you if you could do that.

I kindly request that this thread be deleted - it is a petty arguament and is giving us all a bad name to visitors to the site.

Look Mate this isnt Russia and if people are having a conversation in the street you dont say ... "hmmm this isnt germany so you cant talk about germany shut your hole" am afraid you would get your faced smashed in for you this is a place where people can chat so chat away because your free to chat do but dont take away other peoples rights

Well im goin 2 back flip from a few months back. I ran a pod on my car for about 3months. Gone back to just the standard set up with KnN panel. Im with widow. The only real diff is noise. Thats all im feeling.

Police will defect you for a pod...trust me, they will pick on u unitl they find sumfin...pod is the easiest way!

If u go a pod i recomend u know someone who can run quickly to get your stock set-up when ya engine ***s up or u crash it and need insurance cover...if they dont know...itl get cancelled.
It wont void warrenty if u can prove it wasnt the cause...good luck

and widow...u know i luv u bro!

See DSL03L is a good boy he has seen the light :lol:

I was not having a personal go at you Widowmaker, so why stab me in the back.

I guess i'll just boycott this thread then.

Good Day.

I was not having a personal go at you Widowmaker, so why stab me in the back.

I guess i'll just boycott this thread then.

Good Day.

Im having a stab at you because you come into a free public conversation and basicly say you guy's are talking shit so shut the hell up.

Now these are Blake's forum's so he can do what he please's but i dont think he is running some commie forum where if you step out of line you get a slap to the back of the head , i think they are for people to talk to each other .... even if the conversation gets heated sometimes its still just a friendly chat so can you live with it ?

Widow,
Just remember that puncuation is your friend. It makes it much easier to read your posts when you have it in there.

Next to address you comments about the use of tuned inlets on factory vehicle.

1. I tend to agree with your comments about tuned intakes, however, you have to be aware that this is always a compromise over total power. For the record they are called helmholtz resonators and I won't bother going into the analysis of it all.

2. We are talking about modifying the pipework on the upstream side of a filter/ AFM. as such the chambers that are present will only have an effect on the sound not the power output.

3. You comments about the velocity of the air being important to the low down torque of the engine (if that is what you were talking about) are correct in the sense that a high port velocity will always produe more low down torque. The problem is that the Pod / Panel will not make any difference to the port velocity.

4. I would venture to say that given the relative merits of it all a properly designed intake with a std filter will probably perform just as well as a panel or pod.

I will do some tests this weekend and get back to you with the results

Cheers
Paul

For those of you using a pod. Are you using the one that's recommended by RPW so that the car doesn't rich?

No Im not!
I m use a 5" round one.
Haydn

Do you notice if it's running rich? Your exhaust would smell funny if it did.

Cannot say that I have sniffed my own butt...
Check with Booya.... I have heard that he likes but sniffing :lol:

Haydn

Butcher...thats skating on ice!

Also my question was neva answered...who with the pod actually has made up a surround so u 'cant' be defected?

so far its no1!

Cannot say that I have sniffed my own butt...
Check with Booya.... I have heard that he likes but sniffing :lol:

Haydn

Butcher... "Thats skating on ice"
:lol: :lol: :lol:

dont do it again and play nice. what have i done to you?
:roll:

Im sorry Booya...
Ill stop...
No more "bad man" (says in an Indian voice) for me. :D
Haydn

Oh and the custom surround is NEXT on the list :D
It is going to be great :)

is this what you mean by surround?

http://www.aussiemagna.com/onlinestore/performance/images/mascoldair.jpg

Look Mate this isnt Russia and if people are having a conversation in the street you dont say ... "hmmm this isnt germany so you cant talk about germany shut your hole" am afraid you would get your faced smashed in for you this is a place where people can chat so chat away because your free to chat do but dont take away other peoples rights

Look Mate this isnt PANEL LAND and if people are having a conversation ABOUT PODS in the FORUM you dont say ... "hmmm this isnt POD LAND so you cant talk about PODS shut your hole" I am afraid you would get your faced smashed in. This is a place where people can chat ABOUT WHAT EVER THEY WANT so chat away because your ALL ENTITILED TO YOUR OWN OPINIONS Dont take away other peoples rights.

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Look Mate this isnt Russia and if people are having a conversation in the street you dont say ... "hmmm this isnt germany so you cant talk about germany shut your hole" am afraid you would get your faced smashed in for you this is a place where people can chat so chat away because your free to chat do but dont take away other peoples rights

Look Mate this isnt PANEL LAND and if people are having a conversation ABOUT PODS in the FORUM you dont say ... "hmmm this isnt POD LAND so you cant talk about PODS shut your hole" I am afraid you would get your faced smashed in. This is a place where people can chat ABOUT WHAT EVER THEY WANT so chat away because your ALL ENTITILED TO YOUR OWN OPINIONS Dont take away other peoples rights.[/quote:f0b3c90ae2]


I agree 8)

oh dear, this is getting messy! :cry:

STOP THIS BABISH BEHAVIOUR!!!!

are these guys for real? someones pissed off or is it my imagination

are these guys for real? someones pissed off or is it my imagination


Bit of Both :D :D :D :D But more on you 8) J/K

this is a laugh... do we have a doctor on these forums?
we need to get widowmaker sum chill pills.

wow...y d hell is everyone jumping on widow? Il admit hes not the easiest person to get along with at times...he and I have had our fair share of arguments. But from what ive read its been everyone jumping in for a shot.

U say everyones open to their opinion...i think widow is included there? right? A panel is less then half the price of a pod, with less noise and yet to be proven ne power difference (with stock set-up). Hes trying/looking out for first time byers, giving a different opinion.

Some of the comments from different ppl where outta line and i am shocked, but dont go ganging up on one person just because he/she makes his point 'heard'.

Last thing, widow is a very smart guy. He has alot of opinions and ideas which really should b heard. I think we should all sit bak, take a breath and wait for test results. Please lest stop the dissing, widow is a smart guy and i hope he stays around to help us all out.

thanx for reading, And please sit back, take a breath.

wow...y d hell is everyone jumping on widow? Il admit hes not the easiest person to get along with at times...he and I have had our fair share of arguments. But from what ive read its been everyone jumping in for a shot.

U say everyones open to their opinion...i think widow is included there? right? A panel is less then half the price of a pod, with less noise and yet to be proven ne power difference (with stock set-up). Hes trying/looking out for first time byers, giving a different opinion.

Some of the comments from different ppl where outta line and i am shocked, but dont go ganging up on one person just because he/she makes his point 'heard'.

Last thing, widow is a very smart guy. He has alot of opinions and ideas which really should b heard. I think we should all sit bak, take a breath and wait for test results. Please lest stop the dissing, widow is a smart guy and i hope he stays around to help us all out.

thanx for reading, And please sit back, take a breath.

I agree!!!
Just cause Some one has a favourite thing doesnt make them wrong/right.
I love Vegemite/Peanut Butter/Jam/Cheese on the one bit of bread....
If someone asked here about how to make the best sandwich Id say that... doesnt mean Im wrong ... its just my preverance!
Now look what you have gone and done... I've given away my patented BuTcher sandwich recipe #-o

Haydn

thanks DSL..

i was trying to think of a comment along those lines :P

people, i have this one announcment:

"welcome aboard BOOYA airways,
please read the safety brochure in the seat pocket in front of you.
for the time beam if we could direct your attention to the front of the boo-craft for a safety demonstration for the features of this particular magna.
- please make sure your seat belt is secured tightly
- in the case of an emergency please practice the emergency 'brace' posture.
- pleaese keep all feet, heads and arms in the booya mobile at all times.

Thank you for flying booya airlines, refreshments will be served shortly"

;)

BUTCHER! All bout peanut butter n strawberry jam...cheese n vegemite...now ur just sik!

I think that general jist of the problem is that people have consistantly claimed that one thing is better than another (Including RPW) will nothing to back it up other than a bum-o-meter. I will be organising a dyno day for SE QLD in the next month during that time we should be able to sit down and gain some emperical evidence as to the benifit of certain modifications to Magnas rather than I did it because he said it was good.

Cheers
Paul

P.S The Dyno thread is in the members lounge

Yeah you're right.

The stuff I've said on this topic has been from experience..but I know that no car responds the same to the same mods. So I know there will be differences.

Well as im so close to getting rid of my car i felt compelled to come and check how Aussiemagna has been getting along without the ol Ball and Chain Widowmaker , and i find it great that you guy's are still having a go at me for a post from god knows how long ago :badgrin:

Well done.

How do you figure? The last post before yours was 19 days ago?

thanks for doing the mathematics for me , i must of left quite an impression

thanks for doing the mathematics for me , i must of left quite an impression

haha, well impress this!

I got me a panel and I'm happy with it. Got the Lukey muffler too.

Hey Widow! Don't leave! :(

Hey guys not getting involved in the arguments, those who want panels, go panels, those who wants pods go for it :)

I've got a TH sports auto, with exhaust, K&N POD from RPW and a hacked up air box snorkel as a very budge CAI

What bugs me with the Pods is that basically you have three options

1. Install it and like most people don't build a custom surround - possibly get busted and suck up hot air into engine and loose some benefit of having a pod :(

2. Make a custom surround and use holes in fog light /driving light gaps for air hose thingys
3. Hack up ya bonnet and put on a scoop and rig that upto ya custom air box with Pod - only way I've been told possible if you have a sports / verada etc with driving lights and ya don't want to loose them :(

Does anyone have any other ideas fairly cheap (like under $200)for those of us who have driving lights and want to do a cold air intake for our pods?