Hey peoples,
I got cornered again by our local Neways rep - he saw me under the bonnet twidling with my engine and started talking about Roil Gold. Left me (after an hours ear bashing) with some brochures claiming it as being better than sliced bread!

His chemistry explanation wasn't good, but anyway I've done some research. An article was published in jaguar magazine (http://www.jaguarmagazine.com/techtips/ttips6.html) claimint it to be good. Rosco McGlashen the world land speed guy uses it. Apparently some V8 supercars use it too. The reseller was talking about the pistons and engine block being "magnetically charged so they repell each other." This is infact incorrect, the metal is conditioned by a new layer of metal forming across the surface that has a lower coefficient of friction - it also fills filling up any pits and grooves. The claim is that Roil reduces friction therefore reducing engine wear and tear, fuel use, etc etc and unleashing ponies. The "indepentant tests" show it to perform considerably better than popular engine treatments such as Slick 50.

It sounds good on paper. I am quite skeptical however, as no one has explained the chemistry, there seem to be very few reports of useage (on the net) and lots of people selling it (as independant distributors).

Do any of you use Roil Gold in your pride and joy. I'd be interested in hearing your feedback. At close to $50 for half a litre, it is not cheap (one application is 300ml, then small top ups with each oil change). If it can increase my fuel efficiency and reduce other running costs I'd be prepared to outlay the money. Just want to make sure "real" people are getting "real" results.

Dave

i'm selling some snake oil and shark repellant if you're interested........... :D

I don't use any oil additives whatsoever, neither do I plan to.
Oil companies put a lot of research into engine oils, and unless there's concrete proof that oil additives have any benefit, I'm not buying into the hype.

Well I have a tape on Roil that was given to me a year ago, havn't had time to watch it yet.

I say try it out dude. But don't expect to get much noticable difference. A lot of things out there are good, just that it may not be needed or it maybe be an overkill. In terms of protecting your pride and joy goes, I think you can never have enough protection. I would try it out if I knew where to find it?

I squirt it around our garden to stop cats pissing in it.

The benefits or otherwise of new fangled oils and additives has been going around for years. Nulon, STP, Molybedenum, Slick 50 etc etc. The theory sounds good but I don't know if they offer any improvement over existing good quality oils.

God knows I've been guilty of using additives like Nulon years ago, but I don't know if it made any difference in the end and the average user doesn't have the means by which to test it anyway.

The question I'd ask is are they using it in high stress situations like racing. Someone once said on this forum "don't believe everything you read" (that's right, it was RJL25 :D ).


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read the post again - he said apparenly some v8 supercars use it :P
but that was probly said by the ppl that made


The reseller was talking about the pistons and engine block being "magnetically charged so they repell each other." This is infact incorrect, the metal is conditioned by a new layer of metal forming across the surface that has a lower coefficient of friction

seems to be alotta dodgy information around, but i reckon i'd still try it for $50 if it does what it says it does

Snake oil? :nuts:

I once had a Wynns rep tell be that Wynns had an older (pre VK, worn in not worn out - this was a while ago) Commodore treated with Wynns oil addetive for 5000km. They then drained the oil and successfully drove the oil-less Commy some 1000, that's one thousand, kilometres. He was dead serious in his beliefs.

I have my EXTREME doubts...

Snake oil? :nuts:


yes snake oil....... i've got some on me....... and I dont see any snakes.... lol

theres a mob in australia that sells an oil called "royal purple oil" Its not an additive its actual proper oil. The editor of street commodores tryed it out on his monaro using a dyno. First he ran the car on the dyno with mobil 1 oil (brand new) then quickly did an oil change and put the royal purple oil and dynoed it again, extra 5HP at the wheels.. check it out

http://www.royalpurple.com.au

looks like ppl use it in motorsport a fair bit


Royal Purple's proprietary ingredients and revolutionary Synerlec technology are the force behind Royal Purple's exceptional performances. All Royal Purple products have super-tough film strength, outstanding viscosity stability, a very low coefficient of friction and tenacious adherence to metal surfaces. This enables engines to produce more horsepower and torque with less wear over much greater periods of time. Royal Purple lubricants have the ability to reduce heat from friction as a result of incredible film strength, thereby increasing part life.

yeah i have also read about it in street commodores magazine and on the forum. Supposedly it is quite good but expensive

I squirt it around our garden to stop cats pissing in it.

You do realise that this is a serious matter! You cannot just go and tell ppl that you have been "squirting" it around the garden. The instructions clearly say thet it needs to be "sprayed in anticlockwise, circulatory manner"
Geeshh you people!
Actually works on possums too!

You guys crack me up. I had a look at various additives today and had a mild chuckle to myself as I thought about all the above comments.

I'll start work on my own secret solution involving eye of gnat and the juice of an albino bat.

I just wish that when people did all their "independent surveys" they posted up the actual chemistry of it all rather than making up cogent paridigms. The trucky known only as Rod is not convincing enough!

The trucky known only as Rod is not convincing enough!

Pah! It wasn't even Rod, it was his b-dy cousing Eva, who mixed up cooking oil and hair gel.
:nuts:

What I do know is that loooong time ago, some of us used STP in the donk, and it ended up drying a bit and clogging the oil channels. But truly, apart from tappet noise, we normal ppl would not know the effect of oils et al, until the end of the enigne life. Soooo.....

Pah! It wasn't even Rod, it was his b-dy cousing Eva, who mixed up cooking oil and hair gel.
:nuts:

What I do know is that loooong time ago, some of us used STP in the donk, and it ended up drying a bit and clogging the oil channels. But truly, apart from tappet noise, we normal ppl would not know the effect of oils et al, until the end of the enigne life. Soooo.....

exactly. I know slick 50 does work, ive used it on several engines and i think the only one it hasnt helped is this current magna, usually get bit more power/smoothness, bit better economy, and lower engine temp. and most of all the engines have still been running like new and not burning any oil at very high milage when i sold them.

Wasn't there an article posted by someone on these forums (or was it another forum? :confused: ) about these additives, basically it concluded any additive that usses teflon (or a teflon based component) was not recomented as it blocked bits throughout the motor that shouldn't be blocked. The article stated that prolonged use of these teflon based additives could accually do more harm than good :shock:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm


Not a bad little article ...Made me think twice about putting anything into the oil.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm


Not a bad little article ...Made me think twice about putting anything into the oil.

When you think about it the whole additive thing doesn't make sense. If additives work, why don't oil companies just put them in their oil to start with. God knows they have the resources. If they don't work or in fact are detrimental, why aren't there warnings on the containers stating that putting additives into the oil reduce their effectiveness? :doubt:


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I've used UniGlyde as a gear box additive in my R33 and whilst everyone elses boxes where chewing syncros I was fine.

I've also added it to my SR20 Pulsar gear box and engine (with the left overs) and found no improvement other than gear shifting.

I did add it to the Magna 2.6 engine and found bugger all difference.

I don't mean to advertise the stuff or anything but did my homework before adding it to the cars. Two independant reports showed massive gains in a R33 GTR by adding it to the drive line (diff's etc). Fast fours put it on the dyno and got an good improvement in power and a massive jump in exhuast temp.

Whilst some additives are generally junk, some are worth their weight.

Ulltimately you should do your homework before throwing away money and possibly your engine.

Hey this additive or oil (royal purple) sounds like that magnatec oil thats supposed to cut down engine wear by coating the engine parts, hmmm :think:

"yes I have tried slick 50 and others and they dont work half as well
yes it has been indipendantly tested by the Queensland University of Technology
yes it does do as claimed
yes it does condition seals also"

Please when you get the chance, please post a copy of the Queensland University of Technology report. It will make interesting reading. Sorry I cannot help being a skeptic. I take most claims with a grain of salt until I have the claims backed up by an independent source.

Cheers
Nigel

"AFTER USE
(the engine still eats oil but a little less due to the reduction in heat.)
1.made no noise from the engine when going past 100km/h
2. smooth revs even at 160km/h with 2LT of engine oil missing no clunking sound
3. smoother gear change in the auto gearbox
4. no more leaking power stearing fluid after treating the powerstearing fluid tank
5. 10000km later still see the effects. after 1 treatment."

Interesting anecdotal evidence. Far from an independently verifiable and controlled experiment. And as you mentioned earlier, you do sell the stuff so your opinions are far from objective.
Please elaborate was the engine running at a higher than recommended temperature before using this stuff ? If it was not then how does a reduction in temp reduce oil consumption. I would be wary of any product that reduced the operating temp of my engine. Any engine that operates at a temperature that is lower than its normal temp will use more fuel, develop less power, have excess wear and produces higher emissions.

Nigel

Interesting anecdotal evidence. <snip>

Nigel
hehe :owned:

I use it, sell it, love it...

engine performs HEAPS better, well worth it, wouldnt start the car without it...

dont know the chemistry about it, cbf searching for it...

davo, give it a shot mate, you wont be dissapointed ;)

http://www.jaguarmagazine.com/techtips/ttips6.html
this is the review that jagmag posted in issue #107

I will post to you more uni of QLD test results.
my mobile is 0415559028 if you want more info or the product itself.
email riskywisky@iprimus.com.au and I will send you ampel testamonials and the works FAQs and all. even the vedio testing the product in the QLD uni of tech. call them yourself even.

when I herd of it I was skeptical cause I had tried the slick 50 and others and got nothing like this out of them. but I tried this one after. it cost me 50 for the bottle. and was satisfied that it did not wreck anything as my friend tried it first in his car. it did exactly as it stated. I then became a member and resseler of the stuff in order to get cheaper prices and to be able to ressel the roduct. originaly I never wanted to ressel it but just to get the cheaper price now I want to sell it because it worked. all my life I have been selling garbage that I felt
1.people did not need
2.that did not work as stated
3.or doing work that I thought was just being done for the money without any good to the client.

I feel confident in the product so much so that I will offer you some bottles at cost price for your testing. and if you are as honest as I am when it does work you will pay me otherwise may your concience judge you! I meen it I dont have much but i will give you in advance at cost price and if you can call me on my mobile and tell me it does not work or look at me in the face and say it.

so thats all i can say. besided the cut I make on one bottle is so little its of little interest to me to sell once of. thank you. no point in making chump change and facing legal action if the product doesnt work. think about it? the price is 35+postage to wherever. test it in a bomb if you dont beleive me.

Gotta love the banstick :D

ninzbinz you have found yourself banned... this is not the place for selling schemes.