Just thought I'd post this thread... not sure if its been done yet.

A few facts/some info:

- insurance companies do not like 7.5" wide rims fitted to 2nd gen magnas - 7" is the widest. Not sure about legalities?

- 235/45/17 wide tyres are the only ones that match 205/65/15 factory tyres as far as the speedometor reading is concerned (simular circumference)

- 235 wide tyres can only be fitted to 7.5" wide rims according to australian vehicle safety standards.

- so on 7" wide rims the widest tyre that can be fitted is 225 wide, however with most of the 225 wide tyres the circumference differs from the factory specs, so the speedo is out - see http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

I'm just wondering what sizes everyone else has.

- 235 wide tyres can only be fitted to 7.5" wide rims according to australian vehicle safety standards.

Can you tell me where you got this info?
When I got tyres for my 7" rims I was only quoted on 235's, so that is what I got (I did make sure to get 97 load rating).

Does this mean my car is defectable? If so I imagine that means it's currently voiding the insurance, which is not a good thing at all.
I wonder if I was to make a claim and get rejected if I could take legal action against the tyre place.. hmm

-Dan

Ive got standard TJ Vrx wheels that are 17x7 and they are 225/50/17

My 96 Verada has a load rating of 94 on the plaque.

It has Dunlop Monza's on front, 215/45/16 (stock 6spoke rims).

Im also wanting to put 235's on, can this be done legally on the stock KE rim?

This topic's been done to the death mate.

My 96 Verada has a load rating of 94 on the plaque.

It has Dunlop Monza's on front, 215/45/16 (stock 6spoke rims).

Im also wanting to put 235's on, can this be done legally on the stock KE rim?


Well my resident tyre shop suggested not to put 225's on my KF Verada rims (they are 16x6 or 16x6.5's).

myne are 8.5" wide and on 235/45/18's. and that is the recommended tyre.

i have looked into this over and over again at my local bob jane, looked thru all the guidelines etc etc and if u fit tyres wider than 225 on a 7" rim, the car will be defectable and insurance will be void!!!

to legally have 18's on a magna, there are VERY few available in 18x7 and then a 225/45/18 will end up costing about $600 each!!

lets face it, either drive with a defectable car, or spend a fortune to make it legal!

but if u drive a defectable car insurance void then if u get done by copper its your licence as well so more hassles just do the legal way. If u could'nt afford it well stick to wat u hav now.

Can you tell me where you got this info?

-The 7" maximum rim size info was from my insurance company.
-The 235 tyre only legally being fitted to a 7.5" minimum rim was from a tyre manufacturer and also someone on here.

I was also assured by a local tyre place (actually, ALL of the local tyre places) that 235/45/17 was the best tyre to fit on my 17x7 rims... so thats what I fitted. They told me it was the reccommended tyre... so who to believe, the regulations or the tyre place.

TeK - I did a search looking for this topic... as I remember seeing it once before, couldnt find the threads tho :(

I was also assured by a local tyre place (actually, ALL of the local tyre places) that 235/45/17 was the best tyre to fit on my 17x7 rims... so thats what I fitted. They told me it was the reccommended tyre... so who to believe, the regulations or the tyre place.

Hmm tough question. Do I believe the legislation, or a guy who's trying to sell me a tyre?

I have had these same discussions with tyre places. They all preach that a 235/45 tyre can be fitted to a 7" rim, and they do it all the time. When I challenge them, and ask them to check their bible, they fold pretty quickly, muttering things like "um, looks like we've been doing the wrong thing all the time then"

The tyre places are running a big risk by fitting the 235/45 tyre to your 7" rim, as they have to comply with all the relevant regulations.

I have only ever come across one 235/45 17 tyre that can, according to the manufacturer, be fitted to a 7" rim, and that's the Michelin Pilot Preceda. I don't know if the authorities will accept the manufacturer's recommendation over their own legislation.

225/45 17 tyre will not have the load carrying capacity needed for Magnas.

I have only ever come across one 235/45 17 tyre that can, according to the manufacturer, be fitted to a 7" rim, and that's the Michelin Pilot Preceda. I don't know if the authorities will accept the manufacturer's recommendation over their own legislation.
You know, I checked their website and it got a load rating of 94 so it doesn't help us.

225/45 17 tyre will not have the load carrying capacity needed for Magnas.

Hmm... yeah, most of the ones I can find is 91 load rating. My factory tyres have a load rating of 94..

I can find quite a lot of 225/50 tyres have the correct load rating... so this looks like its the 'legal' choice as far as width regulations and load regulations are concerned. And the speedo isn't out by too much.

Does anyone know if there are regulations to do with the speedo being spot on?

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Does anyone know if there are regulations to do with the speedo being spot on?
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Not sure about speedo regulations

but 2 possible results:

1) Either you will get ticket for driving over the limit (e.g. doing 53km in 50 zone while meter showing you 50.

or

2) you will see other cars passing you in a specific speed areas and you will be thinking what the hell is wrong with my car.


But I am pretty sure that 80% of the general public will beleive whatever a tyreplace will sell them thinking because they run the business so they are right.

On the other hand before joining AMC I was one of those 80% too and use to think that you can change to any size tyre/rims you want :)

So is it possible to get 235/45/16's with a load rating of 94 legally?

only if they are 16 x 7.5"

Honestly, stress less guys.....

Put on what you like, just don't be stupid and make sure you keep roughly the same rolling diameter as standard 225/50-16, 235/45-17 etc.... same as Commodores and Falcons.

Plead ignorance with insurance, how were you to know? And chances are you'll never get defected for having 235's on a 7" rim...... and even less likely for the wrong load rating! unless you are being a total dickhead! Techincally a P plate or rego sticker on the windscreen is illegal, and everybody still does that!

Just my 2c....... i'm now ready to be hammered by the 'good' forum people..........

Just my 2c....... i'm now ready to be hammered by the 'good' forum people..........

hahahaha,

I will say too risky coz if car goes to insurance accessor after an accident you are so dead. (unless other wise you call your insurance company and tell the operator that you are putting this on your car and he says yeah its cool and you record that conversation for your own proof )

Remember you might be the best driver in the world but what about others.

are you saying even if the accident wasn't your fault, and because your car was defectable, you have to pay for the accident that is not your fault???

are you saying even if the accident wasn't your fault, and because your car was defectable, you have to pay for the accident that is not your fault???

yess, Thats exactly what I am saying.

because when the accessor check your car, he checks it against the Manufaturers specifications first so if the OEM tyre rating is 95 and you got 94 on your car its rightaway defectable and in this case unroadworthy i.e. it should not be on the road in first place so its your fault.

And thats all insurance company needs to void your insurance. which means you will end up paying not only for your car but for the other as well.

where is the plate that mentions the OEM tyre rating?

The tyres on my factory alloys say 94... so I assume thats correct. I can't find any plate tho that mentions the tyre load rating...

yess, Thats exactly what I am saying.

because when the accessor check your car, he checks it against the Manufaturers specifications first so if the OEM tyre rating is 95 and you got 94 on your car its rightaway defectable and in this case unroadworthy i.e. it should not be on the road in first place so its your fault.

And thats all insurance company needs to void your insurance. which means you will end up paying not only for your car but for the other as well.

I understand that this is techincally possible. But have you ever heard of anybody that this has ever happened to? The assesor isn't out to find your car unroadworthy. All they are there to do is to check if the damage is consistant with the claim.

does anyone know the exact procedure in an accident claim?

can someone please explain what I 'would' need to do if I was at fault and I was not at fault?

please explain what the insurance company does, eg I make claim, they send some guy to check out both cars, etc...

anyone? I've never gone through any claims before, and I know my tyres are not rated for Magna.

does anyone know the exact procedure in an accident claim?

can someone please explain what I 'would' need to do if I was at fault and I was not at fault?

please explain what the insurance company does, eg I make claim, they send some guy to check out both cars, etc...

anyone? I've never gone through any claims before, and I know my tyres are not rated for Magna.
This depends very much on if you have full comp or not. As far as I'm concerned its plain stupidity have anything but full comp but anyway........

If you have full comp it doesn't matter if you were to blame or not, take car to panel shop, either they will fill out claim or you do. Just before the car gets repaired they send out an assesor to check the car. All they check is whether the damage is consistant with the claim and $ value of repair.

The insurance company deals with who's fault it is, obviously they are on your side as they dont want to pay out. If they determine you were at fault you pay the excess before you can pick up the car.

I've just been through all this, my car is getting repaired as we speak.

what if you were at fault, and the other person has made a claim against you, and you make a claim for repairs to your car (comprehensive insurance). Wouldnt the insurance company look for any breaches of policy/regulations to get out of paying the $$?

Argh my 3rd gen has a placard saying load rating of 94!
So can I go bust 235's on these rims stock 16" rims?
http://www.arach.net.au/~pecca/pecca/rim.jpg

If so which ones do people recommend, I don't want to spend much more than $180 per tyre :confused: or is that too little?

Just too much wheelspin on these 215's :cry:

I understand that this is techincally possible. But have you ever heard of anybody that this has ever happened to? The assesor isn't out to find your car unroadworthy. All they are there to do is to check if the damage is consistant with the claim.

I know of plenty of cases where the asseor specifically *looks* for a reason to cancel the policy. Think about it - if the car is unroadworthy and he picks it, he's just saved the company thousands of dollars.
Below is just one case that comes to mind.
Mate of mine had his lancer on superlows but just told the insurance it was lows (ie 25mm) - someone T-Boned him and it was a right-off.
I was there when the assesor came around and I s**t you not, it went like this:

1. Assesor walks towards car
2. Assesor pulls tape measure out of back poket and measures height
3. Assesor laughs and gets back in car and drives off

He got precicely $0. It happens

-Dan

kim- your speedo reading is the least of your worries lol

does anyone know anyone with no insurance at all???

I know of plenty of cases where the asseor specifically *looks* for a reason to cancel the policy. Think about it - if the car is unroadworthy and he picks it, he's just saved the company thousands of dollars.
Below is just one case that comes to mind.
Mate of mine had his lancer on superlows but just told the insurance it was lows (ie 25mm) - someone T-Boned him and it was a right-off.
I was there when the assesor came around and I s**t you not, it went like this:

1. Assesor walks towards car
2. Assesor pulls tape measure out of back poket and measures height
3. Assesor laughs and gets back in car and drives off

He got precicely $0. It happens

-Dan
Thanks Dan,

I stand corrected.

Thanks Dan,

I stand corrected.

Cool man.
The reason I'm getting a little edgy about it is becuase it would seem my 235's on 7" are illegal. That means no insurance, which I really don't like.

-Dan

Yeah I understand what you mean......

Why are 8" rims not allowed? I believe the ADR's state you can go 2" wider than the widest available on the series. Surely at least one model in most of the Magna series' came with 15x6's????

i believe the reason is you are not allowed to have over 7" wide on ANY FWD car at all (i think they might be changing this sometime) which really sucks coz we'll just have to wait :(

So what size wheel (17") Tyre setup does a VRX have??

So what size wheel (17") Tyre setup does a VRX have??
VR-X has 17 x 7 with 225/50R17's and a 94 load rating. It's fine because that's from factory.

Why wasn't the Lancer covered from uinsurance by the guy at fault? If the person isn't at fault, they shouldn't have to worry about insurance.


The reason I'm getting a little edgy about it is becuase it would seem my 235's on 7" are illegal. That means no insurance, which I really don't like.
Correct. This is set out by the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia and their guidelines.

So by the letter of the law there is no 17x7 or 17x7.5 wheel and tyre combo that is legal for a 3rd gen?????

So by the letter of the law there is no 17x7 or 17x7.5 wheel and tyre combo that is legal for a 3rd gen?????Every state has different guidelines about how much you can increase or decrease your wheel size, width and/or rolling diameter.

It would be safe to say that if your car came from the factory with a tyre placard that has a load rating of 94 and 16" wheels as standard, as some late model 3rd Gens did, then you can could legally put 17x7 or 17x7.5 on, in most states.

As long as you only put a maximum of 225's on a 17x7 as per the Tyre and Rim Association guidelines and as long as your insurance company is happy with the change, then go for it.

So by the letter of the law there is no 17x7 or 17x7.5 wheel and tyre combo that is legal for a 3rd gen?????
It's a combination of local road authority regulations, insurance rules and the TRAA guidelines.

There are some tyres u can buy - not all hope lost....
Just one example.
http://www.hankooktyre.com.au/V2/products/product_detail.asp?search=pcr&id=1088
See the attached pdf for tyre size - 225/50/17 is ok.

I know, I know, just repeating the whole stuff, but.

Killer - what wheel size/speed calculator did you use to do that? looks good.... is it an excel spreadsheet?

Does anyone know where I would find the tyre placard on a 2nd gen? (to find out load rating). And also does anyone know the rim width of 2nd gen factory alloys? 15x6?

The regulations for my state say that on a TS the widest wheel fitted can be 7" wide. They also gave me the "track" measurements which is 1575mm at the rear and 1585mm at the front (measured from the centre of the tread pattern from left to right of the car).

Killer - what wheel size/speed calculator did you use to do that? looks good.... is it an excel spreadsheet?

Does anyone know where I would find the tyre placard on a 2nd gen? (to find out load rating). And also does anyone know the rim width of 2nd gen factory alloys? 15x6?

The tyre placard on a 2nd Gen magna is on the inside of the fuel door.

The factory V6Si alloy wheels, also known as the Mitsubishi "Manta" rim, are 15x6 and are manufactured by ROH.

The tyre placard on a 2nd Gen magna is on the inside of the fuel door.
The factory V6Si alloy wheels, also known as the Mitsubishi "Manta" rim, are 15x6 and are manufactured by ROH.

Thanks for that!

Thanks for that!
No problems.... :cool:

I only knew all that because I use to own a TS V6Si. :)

I bet the VRX is a nice upgrade from the V6si tho :P

Does anyone know where the rim width is measured from? I'm sure my rims are 7" wide however if I measure from the widest/outer part of the lip it seems to be closer to 8" across. The inner part is 7" but the lip sticks out wider... :confused:

I bet the VRX is a nice upgrade from the V6si tho :P

Does anyone know where the rim width is measured from? I'm sure my rims are 7" wide however if I measure from the widest/outer part of the lip it seems to be closer to 8" across. The inner part is 7" but the lip sticks out wider... :confused:
I still miss the V6Si though... :cry: lol

Ummmm....most rims should have their dimensions stamped on the inside of the wheel. I believe it is a requirement for the rims to meet most wheel manufacturing guidelines...I know my VRX rims definitely have 17x7 printed on them...

ah, yes - it is printed on the inside of the rim. Found out that apparently the measurement is taken from the inner part of the wheel, not the wider part - so all is good :)

Now just have to measure the "track" and look at getting 225/50/17 tyres to be "legal".

Killer - what wheel size/speed calculator did you use to do that? looks good.... is it an excel spreadsheet?

Just an .xls what I created for my self. Basic maths. There are some tyre calculators on the Net, but never used them cos have my own :D
Send me PM if u want copy of it.

Tyre size claculator: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Does everything you could want.

-Dan

Anyone know where Hankook tyres are actually made? Anyone used one of these tyres?

Anyone know where Hankook tyres are actually made? Anyone used one of these tyres?

I think they are made in Korea.