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ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 02:44 PM
Now that I've had a chance to "test" the suspension mods that I had fitted on Tuesday, all I can say is that anti lift/castor kits are the best kept secret in suspension mods going. If you drive a FWD car you must get one of these.

Turn in is greatly enhanced, the car sits flat under hard acceleration even from a standing start and torque steer as far as I can tell has gone! I wasn't expecting any improvement in torque steer so that was a bonus and I haven't even fitted the strut brace yet.

Can't wait to get back out on the track :badgrin:


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Mad iX
18-11-2004, 02:58 PM
How much was the anti-life/castor kit with fitting?

dingo
18-11-2004, 03:06 PM
sounds sweet mate, B from who started the www.fastmagna.com (http://www.fastmagna.com) site (the original and blakes arch nemisis) swore by them and said they made a huge difference as well!

ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 03:18 PM
How much was the anti-life/castor kit with fitting?


I think it was about $252 fitted.


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ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 03:21 PM
sounds sweet mate, B from who started the www.fastmagna.com (http://www.fastmagna.com) site (the original and blakes arch nemisis) swore by them and said they made a huge difference as well!

Yeah, I'd go as far as to say it shouldn't be optional. Just get one.

They improve the handling, torque steer and traction so much I don't know why they aren't just fitted at time of manufacture.


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TheDifference
18-11-2004, 03:45 PM
wow! sound impressive. so whiteline eh? how much for just the parts?

ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 04:14 PM
wow! sound impressive. so whiteline eh? how much for just the parts?


Not sure. But I think the price is on their web site.



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Wooduck
18-11-2004, 04:33 PM
Turn in is greatly enhanced, the car sits flat under hard acceleration even from a standing start and torque steer as far as I can tell has gone! I wasn't expecting any improvement in torque steer so that was a bonus and I haven't even fitted the strut brace yet.


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So when you mean it sits flat under acceleration I take it your refering to the up n down movement of the front suspension. Like when you go flat out then change gears being front wheel drive you notice that the front of the car lifts up. Does this stop it ???

Also did you fit it yourself?

ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 05:31 PM
So when you mean it sits flat under acceleration I take it your refering to the up n down movement of the front suspension. Like when you go flat out then change gears being front wheel drive you notice that the front of the car lifts up. Does this stop it ???

Also did you fit it yourself?

Yes, it stops the unweighting of the front and weighting of the rear during acceleration. It remains very level.

And no, I didn't fit it myself. I think there are components in the kit which require press fitting and then it needs to be adjusted so I don't reckon it's a do-it-youselfer.


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Ralliart 410
18-11-2004, 06:33 PM
MMM - i want this kit. Any suggestions where i can get this done in Adelaide?

ReallyArt
18-11-2004, 07:16 PM
MMM - i want this kit. Any suggestions where i can get this done in Adelaide?

Most specialist suspension shops will be able to do it. It's also a very popular upgrade on WRX's as well and has been acknowledged as a must do mod on them also.


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Ralliart 410
18-11-2004, 07:17 PM
I'll make some calls tommorow. Thankyou for that "wisdom"!


You wouldn't happen to know the Part number for the kit would you?

Phonic
19-11-2004, 05:45 AM
Hows the car now under braking? does it tend to dive more now?

Redav
19-11-2004, 06:19 AM
Most specialist suspension shops will be able to do it. It's also a very popular upgrade on WRX's as well and has been acknowledged as a must do mod on them also.
Very popular amungst WRX owners.

Now, was this gear fitted at the same time as the other suspension gear or by itself? I mean, I noticed a huge improvement in several things but that was because I had stiffer / lower springs, new shocks, a rear sway bar and a front strut brace fitted all at once. How does it affect normal drivability?

cthulhu
19-11-2004, 07:10 AM
One side-affect of anti-lift under acceleration is pro-dive under breaks - have you noticed any difference in that area?

Also, did you go for Whiteline's recommended suspension settings or leave it up to the suspension place? Of course, you gain nothing from having a castor or camber kit if you don't alter either castor or camber :D

ReallyArt
19-11-2004, 10:00 AM
The only other mod that was done Redav was the fitting of a Whiteline adjustable sway bar which has certainly decreased lateral body roll but there is a very noticable decrease in lift under hard acceleration in a straight line. Also if I come around a tight corner in second and floor it, the front just says put instead of lifting and unweighting the inside wheel. Heaps more traction, no torque steer.

There hasn't been any change that I've noticed in diving under brakes Phonic and cthulu, but I haven't absolutely jumped on the brakes yet either. I'll test it on the way home tonight. I did drive up and down Black Mt (which is a very windy bit of road) and it didn't display any diving tendencies on the way down under brakes.

I had a camber pin put in over a year ago and it is set to 1.5 degrees negative camber (which I think is the Whiteline recommendation for "spirited" driving) and the rear is set to .5 degrees toe in. I don't know what the castor settings are though.


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Phonic
19-11-2004, 10:25 AM
I'm loving the sound of your suspention setup :D , now where did I leave that credit card lol

DeMonio
19-11-2004, 02:39 PM
By the sounds of it everyone who drives there car hard should get one. I know I will. thanx for the info

teK--
20-11-2004, 02:05 PM
As long as you have a FWD with unequal length driveshafts you will have torque steer. I think you mean understeer.

Killbilly
20-11-2004, 02:23 PM
I was wondering how a caster kit can stop torque steer?

ReallyArt
21-11-2004, 05:34 AM
As long as you have a FWD with unequal length driveshafts you will have torque steer. I think you mean understeer.


I know it doesn't make sense, but torque steer (the tendency for FWD vehicles to pull to the side under acceleration) has been significantly reduced. It's not just a bit better, it's a whole lot better. Maybe someone with more technical knowledge about suspension than me can explain why this would be.

Understeer by the way, has also been reduced but that's a bit easier to explain.


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Tonba
21-11-2004, 07:01 AM
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Greetings All.

What about a group buy for next year??? :D

Cheers,
--Tonba
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rockmag
21-11-2004, 08:54 AM
Does the change in castor effect the torque steer?

WSDsmurf
21-11-2004, 10:22 AM
Q: now what about for AWD's ??

Would the install and setup be the same ?

WSDconfused.

Ralliart Boy
21-11-2004, 04:07 PM
Are you able to help me out with a part number/description.

Id like to look at doing this to my car

ReallyArt
21-11-2004, 05:04 PM
Rockmag, the change in castor may have something to do with it but I don't know why, or it may be a combination of the castor and anti-lift properties. I took the car for another drive to test it by accelerating hard in second in a straight line and letting go of the steering wheel. The car didn't pull to left or right. I then tried it around a corner and held the wheel lightly between my thumb and index finger. Again, it didn't pull like it use to, in fact it hardly pulled at all.

WSDsmurf, I don't know if there's a kit available for AWD. Have you looked on the whiteline web site?

Ralliart boy, I thought you are selling your car. But if not, I reckon you better get one! I've got the part number at work I think, but you can find it on the whiteline web site anyway. :)

Ralliart 410
21-11-2004, 06:38 PM
OK - Whiteline's Part Number for the Anti Lift/Castor Kit is KCA372X and has a RRP of $235.90.

Ralliart Boy
21-11-2004, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the part number and yes, the car is up for sale but doesnt mean i cant spend more money on it :D