HEY all i know this sounds like a corny topic but its in my blood.
I just raced a S pak VY commodore this weekend and lost by a nose. :belt: now i know i kan take these cars for sure and it was stock with an exhaust. I think the problem i had was i was experimenting with a Neutral take off holding the RPMs at 2600rpm tol avoid that dreaded dead spot but wen the lights went green i shifted it str8 into drive instead of First and making my way up. I take it that was my Fault.
Has any one got any tips on how to launch this beautiful machines with maximum use of the power and torque would add deaply to my spirit of racing. need help
p.s ummmm i was racing legally........... :roll: :roll:

s pak VY hey.....could it of been manual? Cos i really wouldnt be surprised if a heavy Verada was beaten by a manual VY :nuts:

As for the launch, i have no idea how to best launch an auto and i hope to not have to learn for a long time lol

theres one problem buddy my old stock Vn wagon all it had was an air filter slight exhaust and well that was basically it could beat a manual VX S so i dont no why my VERADA couldnt clean up the VY. thnx ny way

Frist things first, DONT N rev and then D, you'll be replacing your drive shaft in 10 seconds flat! Also its not good for dragging because you WILL lose traction. From what i've heard, put your left foot on the brake, righton the accelerator (only a tiny bit, bring the revs up around 1-1.5k.) Rolling start (even slightly) will always give you a good reaction time as well. As soon as you see the green light let go of the brake, then steadily increase throttle. Use L - 2- 3 - D if you wanna rev abit higher. Basically get momentum before major throttle otherwise you'l just wheel spin.

awsome yeh as i was saying i was experimenting the wagon used to take off good in D but im not too experienced in an FF car. i have launched it a few tymes actually most of the tyme by stepping up the gears but i never LOADED it up i.e two foot driving cause ive had bad experiences with that and the side effects arnt good. my vn bursted a radiator hose by doin that. ut hey ill giv e it a shot i jst wana make the best of this cars performance. ill give that a shot. thnx TR ENVY

agreeing with previous posts... in an auto, one on the edge of the brake, one on the gas.

Hard to be very artistic in an auto.

i know im pushiing it a bit with the VN referance but trust me this is nutthin as hard as trying to Launche a 1300kg Rear wheel pumping upto 150 sumthing plus kw with a column shift. i mastered it but by god was it a hardd task. but the results were everlasting. which is why im keen on seeing wat can be done with this beauty cause i believe and hope at the same time that this has a hell of a lot more potentiall the n my previous and a hell of alot more to offer. thanx all any more tips would be help ful

I know another one... Understand how traffic lights work... Know when there's a car on the opposite corner he'll turn before your lights change, watch the amber lights, know when cars are slowing down that they're approaching red lights... You'll gain a bit of time when you floor it a second before the lights change....
Don't jump around on the blocks... be stealthy, pretend your changing your music or on a fone call.... Then when his car chops yours you werent even trying anyway :D
Late at night on fast empty roads, sequences are much quicker, and of course traffic lights are triggered by cars moving over the magnetic sensor. Do the dodgy rolling drag :bowrofl: by letting your opponent trigger the lights while you slow right down 50 metres bhind him... then hit a red light changing to green at 60 k's.... while he's putting it into first.

(Hey my stock TF can drag off WRX's ;))

But know what your doing. Otherwise very dangerous to floor it into oncoming traffic (even worse embarassing) easy to take out a car running a red light. In fact... Ignore this post completely... :cool:
As a back up, install police sirens and lights, so wen they do chop you, you can freak the hell out of them... Then impound their car make them walk home and take it back to your garage to make ur stock TF not so stock anymore... (hey worked for me ;))

Dude, N to D launches are soooo not a good idea.. you are throwing a whole heap of sudden stress onto an already none-to-strong gearbox.. it'll give up the ghost after not too much of that kinda abuse.
As for your VN, I'm sure it was a coincidence that it was the radiator hose that gave out, & not a drive component.

I tryed several different styles out the drags, & my quickest 60ft (& best time of 15.555s) was done by holding hand brake on in D & reving till it was pulling on the Hand brake (somewhere between 1500-2000rpm). Even with T/C off, it resulted in probly the best balance between wheel spin & bog down possible.. I was really quite surprised after having previously tried unsuccessfully to rev it out higher & continually pulling off the brake & breaking out.

thanx guys i might give the last one a shot all though i have been told that u can rip your brake shoes of quicker that way
might try it in L too and work my way up might prove better.

i know im pushiing it a bit with the VN referance but trust me this is nutthin as hard as trying to Launche a 1300kg Rear wheel pumping upto 150 sumthing plus kw with a column shift

thats some nice power gains considering the following information:

theres one problem buddy my old stock Vn wagon all it had was an air filter slight exhaust and well that was basically it could beat a manual VX S so i dont no why my VERADA couldnt clean up the VY. thnx ny way

When i said i wouldnt be surprised if a manual VY would beat a KF Verada, i was going by what i have seen at willowbank (1/4 mile strip). Most manual V6 VX/VY's with minimal mods that i saw were doing 15.7's. For the record I know someone with a manual VN with just exhaust that has a best of 15.78.
Anyways, im not saying a Verada couldnt beat 15.7, but it wouldnt be by much if it could. A fairly stock 3.5L auto will do around a 15.6 ish (TH Smoker had a few mods and did 15.41 from memory), and veradas are obviously heavier than them.

For example, Sandman in his tiptronic VRX:


I tryed several different styles out the drags, & my quickest 60ft (& best time of 15.555s)

Dont get me wrong, im not a great fan of commodores, but I dont think that automatically if you get beaten by one then something must be wrong with your car
:nuts:

manual magna vs auto commodore = easy win
auto magna vs auto commodore = should be a win
auto magna vs manual commodore = close from what i have seen.

As for traffic light drags, meh, they dont count for much. With them its often more about the reaction time, and less about who has the quicker car, that decides them.

FIRST: about the VN i said basically it because theres been sum conspiracy about what might have been done to the car by the previous owner we suspect it mightve had slight unnoticable engine work
2nd: i didnt say there was nything wrong with my car.
i said that I know it was because of how i was shifting.

thanx btw for giving me the 1/4mile tymes ive been after them for a while. now to take on that STUPID VH TURBO. (sorry personal grudge)

My car has beaten a VY S Pack without too much hassle...

My car has beaten a VY S Pack without too much hassle...

on the strip? IMO there are too many variables in street races to prove much. for example, down the quarter i raced an S13 which got a bit too much spin off the line and a slightly slower reaction time, and i was ahead up to about 140. He recorded a 14.9, i got a 15.4. If that same race was on the street till 100 or 120km/h, i would of won, but is my car faster, NO.

Having said that i dont doubt you beat that VY s pack :)

Stall it right up with full throttle to give maxmium power, magnas have a stall converter around 2200-2500 anything significantly under these figures would indicate problems else where, just dont do it for more than 3-5 seconds as stalling put major stress on the tranny.

Also im pretty sure VY S packs only come with the v6 ecotech unless optioned with the v8 but even still they are on 147kw are probably heavier if not the same weight as a 3rd gen magna

you cant get an S pack in a V8 other wise it'll be called an SS. one S for 6 2 S for 8.
and im sure the VY is at about 165kw but has lower torque.
any way ive yet to be able to test any of the theories yet guys but dnt worry ill keep you in formed of the results,

Mmmmmn traction... im still trying to workout how to get me sum.

I only just got my manual so im still trying to work out takeoff's etc

so far it seems like nursing it thru 1st is the only way


I wonder how much difference a set of 235's would make?

Also im pretty sure VY S packs only come with the v6 ecotech unless optioned with the v8 but even still they are on 147kw are probably heavier if not the same weight as a 3rd gen magna

VY S pack is either the N/A V6 Ecotec which has been 155kW since the VX, or the supercharged 6 with 171kW.

With the VT series 1 at least you could get an SS with a supercharged 6, but no S with a V8. You could get an exec with a V8 until they brought out the SV8.

VY S pack is either the N/A V6 Ecotec which has been 155kW since the VX, or the supercharged 6 with 171kW.

With the VT series 1 at least you could get an SS with a supercharged 6, but no S with a V8. You could get an exec with a V8 until they brought out the SV8.
trust me on this one mate as a past commodore owner and a ex mechanic with holden connections the S was and still is only available with a 6 supercharged or not.. The SS only comes out with a V8. only a very rare breed of commos came out with the V8 and and Executive badge. and as for wagons in v8's only a hand full in each model had an 8. up untill noww u couldnt buy a factory Wagon in an 8 now the Vy SS was released and you can get a faactory V8 wagon. to some up a few misunderstandings

trust me on this one mate as a past commodore owner and a ex mechanic with holden connections the S was and still is only available with a 6 supercharged or not..

That's what I said, didn't I? Oh and the S doesn't exist any more since the SV6 came out with the VZ series.


The SS only comes out with a V8.

That's not true. I know this because there is an SS with a Supercharged V6 kicking around here in Darwin. A friend and I went to check it out the last time it was on a used car lot. It's the only one like that I've ever seen though..



only a very rare breed of commos came out with the V8 and and Executive badge.

That much at least is rubbish. You could option a VT Exec with a V8 and the FE2 suspension. Cops used to have them since they were cheaper than a fully optioned SS. According to redbook, even the VS was available as an exec with a v8.

That's what I said, didn't I? Oh and the S doesn't exist any more since the SV6 came out with the VZ series.



That's not true. I know this because there is an SS with a Supercharged V6 kicking around here in Darwin. A friend and I went to check it out the last time it was on a used car lot. It's the only one like that I've ever seen though..



That much at least is rubbish. You could option a VT Exec with a V8 and the FE2 suspension. Cops used to have them since they were cheaper than a fully optioned SS. According to redbook, even the VS was available as an exec with a v8.


The SS your talking about might just be rebaged ever consider that? nopt being a smart ass.


the V8 execs came factory only in the sedans which is what i said but no it the wagons. i mean there were a hand full of them that were built but they are very rare.most likely just an expensive option.


you are right on one thing though therre is no more S packs only SV6. but nomore factory superchargers either. not now anyway. Turbo is supposed to be the next step for holden twin turbo that is.
read my post a lil bit more carefully mate your leaving out a lot of the sentences that are connected to YOUR quotes. your geting very misunderstood

The SS your talking about might just be rebaged ever consider that? nopt being a smart ass.

I had considered it, but it had the whole SS trimming inside as well - ss stitching on the seats and what not. It was a VT Series 1, btw. Anyway, turns out redbook knows about this model too: http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/price.asp?key=HOLD97GN&veh=y

Granted redbook gets confused sometimes..



the V8 execs came factory only in the sedans which is what i said but no it the wagons. i mean there were a hand full of them that were built but they are very rare.most likely just an expensive option.

No arguments there. The V8, especially the Gen 3, added a good $8000 to the price. I remember when I was spec'ing one up as a possible purchase in '99. It was a made to order car for sure, but it was a standard factory option.



you are right on one thing though therre is no more S packs only SV6. but nomore factory superchargers either. not now anyway. Turbo is supposed to be the next step for holden twin turbo that is.
read my post a lil bit more carefully mate your leaving out a lot of the sentences that are connected to YOUR quotes. your geting very misunderstood

I'm getting misunderstood, or I am misunderstanding? It seems like you thought I said it was possible to get an S pack with a V8, but I didn't. Other than that, I'm not sure where you are disagreeing with me?

Oh and I lied about the power output of the Ecotec V6.. it was only 152kW not 155kW as I said earlier. Doh.

I AINT ARGUING WITH YOU HERE IM JUST STATING THAT ALOT OF YOUR INFORMATION IS WRONG AND IM JUST TRING TO INFORM YOU CORRECTLY WITH TE RIGHT INFO AS WEN I HAD MY vn I THOUGHT COMMODORES WERE A GODSEND. SO I SAT AND STUDIED EVERYTHING THERE IS TO NO ABOU THE sH ITS .
AS FOR THAT REDBOOK THING I DNT BELIEVE IT O TRUST IT ONE BIT YOU SAID THEY GET CONFUSED I CAN GUARENTEE THERE CONFUSED. ITS A KNOWN FACT THROUGHOUT ALL COMMO OWNERS THAT IF YOU WANTED A QUICK SIX YOU CHOSE AN s (sports) BUT IF YOU WANTED A QUICK FAMILY SALOON U CHOSE THE ss (super saloon) GET MY DRIFT?
I NEVER SAID U THOUGHT THERE WAS AN s PACK WITH A v8 sorry boout caps JUST NOTICED IT ON. i was meerly pointing out that you cannot get a SS in a 6 it defys the hole point of it being an SS.
the one you see all the tyme is probly just a looka like sum cheapo made who coulda spent the money better on actually buying a genuine SS with the V8.


btw ima double check the power output you gave me cause i suspect it wrong for the vy s it sounds more like the figuress fore an ecotec VT

There WAS a supercharged V6 SS, it came out in the VT series :D

E-Mail Holden if you don't beleive me...or do a Google search :P

ive never seen one if there actually was one. My neighbour ownes a supercharg3ed 6 VX and its bages are S so if there is an ss V6 its beyond my knowledge

There WAS a supercharged V6 SS, it came out in the VT series :D

E-Mail Holden if you don't beleive me...or do a Google search :P

This is so true there are v6 ss's

There WAS a supercharged V6 SS, it came out in the VT series :D

E-Mail Holden if you don't beleive me...or do a Google search :P
the super 6

ny way this topic has surpassed its criterior lets get back to magnas shall we

Guys! Peace........

Oh, and there definitely was a supercharged V6 SS Commodore (I remember test driving one on the Gold Coast in 1997). But only VT Series 1. The 5.7 Gen III came in on the VT series II, and they dropped the s/c V6 for the SS at that point - it didn't sell well at all. Sorry, just wanted to add my 2 cents!! lol

so maybe there actually was an ss that came out with a s/c 6 but only in VT after that it was only the S with a s/c 6

Correct. An only on VT Series 1. There was also HSV's XU6 which was an enhanced (exhaust and ECU) supercharged V6 which ran up to the VX series. It put out 180kw of power, but with the arrival of the BA Falcon, it looked a bit crook as an HSV "perforrmance" car and was dropped in 2002. (It hardly sold any as well, as HSV buyers want V8's it seems).

yes but you see the XU6 stated on its badging wat was under the hood. if you no wat i mean.?? what im tring to tell everyone is that the majority of SS out there are indeed V8's. ever since the very firsst model im sure it was in the VC up until the VY all im sayin

I remember reading when the VT range came out in 1997, that Holden (at the time) had high hopes for the supercharged V6 - they thought it was going to be a big selling performance addition to the Commodore range. Hence, for marketing reasons they tried it in the SS for a year or so.

It makes no sense, I agree. And it made no sense at the time to most buyers, who stayed away in droves! It was essentially a s/c S, with bigger wheels and front driving lights and not much else. With the arrival of the Gen III V8, Holden came to their senses and dropped the s/c V6 from the SS. It was also obvious by that time that the s/c V6 wasn't that great anyway and even on the S wasn't selling in the big numbers that Holden has orginally hoped for.

Holden persisted with the idea of the s/c V6 in its 'performance' cars and offered it on the initial Monaro in 2001, but that bombed too in sales and was dropped by time Monaro II came along.

on the contrary i have to argue with you on one thing there the Manaro still has a 6 cilinder range its very rare find but they exist.


CV6 is the badging and a good example is the PIONEER manaro which is a CV6.
im not too sure if thats how it remains to date but it was a CV6 s/c when it started so manaro still have it in there range im sure of it.
plus an even rareer find is the V6 ecotech manro

i doubt there were many made but im surre there were a few.

Mate, it looks like you'd argue with your shadow. Email Holden...I'm sure they'll clarify it all for you

LOL man im not trying to fight im just checking my knowledge against others i may be wrong but hey this is how you learn

Holden persisted with the idea of the s/c V6 and offered it on the initial Monaro in 2001, but that bombed too in sales and was dropped by time Monaro II came along.


This is correct the series 2 and 3 monaro did not come with the supercharged six the cv6 was dropped and only the cv8 remains.

The supercharged six first came out in the series 2 VS calais, statesmans and caprice's power only at 165KW and 370NM of torque In the vt series the s/c six came with a few ss's was an option on s and berlina and calais models and power was up at 171KW

There were also a production of hsv senators and granges with the hsv enchanced 180kw supercharged six. And also all the supercharged v6 engines came auto only....