I am considering it for my Magna or getting a new car, does anyone know ruff prices and performance fiqures that can be achieved ruffly

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Start looking at around $7000 or so.
I will post up my big thing later about an easy way to supercharge

I just typed a massive post and it timed out. F*ck it :rant:
Start looking at around $7000 or so.
I will post up my big thing later about an easy way to supercharge

I would be interested to read something about super/turbocharging. Looking forward to what you have to say.

I just typed a massive post and it timed out. F*ck it :rant:
Start looking at around $7000 or so.
I will post up my big thing later about an easy way to supercharge

i hate it when that happens

2nd gen magna's i rekon put in a gto twin turbo engine, enough said,

be rather costly i got a ruff price of 8 grand for single

the half cut is $2500
front mount n exhaust $2500
maybe some bigger turbos $2000
then installation $1000-$2000

there's ya $8-$9000 and its also a DOHC engine

just throwing ideas at ya

the half cut is $2500
front mount n exhaust $2500
maybe some bigger turbos $2000
then installation $1000-$2000

there's ya $8-$9000 and its also a DOHC engine

just throwing ideas at ya
LOL
Do you realise how freaking fast thats gonna go?

y yes i do,
i looked into trading down my magna to do this, but decided against it in the end

You'd only run 14s tho, would it be worth it?

I think you'd be doing a little bit better than 14's with a worked TT GTO motor! You'd be doing something pretty wrong not to be!

You'd only run 14s tho, would it be worth it?
14's!?

It'd be a hell of a lot faster than that mate!

14's!?

It'd be a hell of a lot faster than that mate!


hell yeah!, it will be a weapon!

14's!?

It'd be a hell of a lot faster than that mate!


Assuming you can get traction, it would actually take alot practice to take of well without just spinning the wheels. And your gona have problems with engine mounts. My galant, a freinds ke laser that had a turbo engine conversion and another guy i know who had a kf laser with turbo conversion all had problems with engine mounts breaking. Seem to be a front wheel drives with to much power thing.

Assuming you can get traction, it would actually take alot practice to take of well without just spinning the wheels. And your gona have problems with engine mounts. My galant, a freinds ke laser that had a turbo engine conversion and another guy i know who had a kf laser with turbo conversion all had problems with engine mounts breaking. Seem to be a front wheel drives with to much power thing.

nothing a strenthed engine mount cant fix

Ok. Here is my idea for a cost effective supercharging idea that 'might' work. And it goes like this...
A small underbonnet supercharger (Toyota) can nicely go where the aircon compressor goes. To drive it, it could easily use the 4PK*** belt. However it might need to be a different length. You could still use the stock airbox, just relocate it to the intake of the supercharger. I have relocated mine off the turbocharger with 7-core trailer wire and it is fine. It will not upset the Mass Air Sensor.
With the pipework, just use steel (that wont rust) and dont worry about an intercooler, it will be a low boost setup, (3-4psi or so). The pipe could run from the supercharger to underneath the plenum chamber and then curl around 90 degrees to the throttle body. Many performance cars in the past have not used intercoolers and worked very well eg: Porsche 911 turbo. There is a really big difference in power in those first few psi's of boost.
As for fuel, installing a Malpassi fuel pressure regulator will help with the extra fuel. However, extra fuel might be needed, requiring high-flowing the main injectors. I am not quite sure if the factory computer will be able to compensate for the extra fuel and it may run rich whilst under vacuum. It may work fine if the injectors are only high-flowed a little.
Now, as for delaying the ignition timing, which is required for artificially aspirated vehicles, an MSD Ignition system 6T range I think do it. While punching out a spark 3 times more powerful, the upper models can retard your ignition timing, preventing detonation under boost. These are about $600 and would be a MUST. Even though our vehicles have a knock sensor which in theory should prevent detonation, it is for performance reasons.
There are a few other things that could be purchased like 8mm ingition leads, K&N panel filter, Extractors and exhaust etc but we shall focus on this first.

Minumum cost:
Supercharger: $450 (my friend has one you could buy)
Fuel pressure regulator: $160 (Black one from Malpassi)
Pipework + labour: $300-$350 (maybe)

= $900-950

Cost:
Supercharger: $450
MSD Ignition: $600
Fuel pressure regulator: $160
Pipework + labour: $300-$350
H-flow injectors @ $30 per injector: $120

= $1700 Max
[When I say max there is alot more that can be spent though. This is just for htis cheap idea.]

If I still had my beloved Wagon, may it rest in peace, I would be trying this idea. As I can borrow particular items.

Although it is cheap and nasty, it is still food for thought anyway peoples :D

Assuming you can get traction, it would actually take alot practice to take of well without just spinning the wheels. And your gona have problems with engine mounts. My galant, a freinds ke laser that had a turbo engine conversion and another guy i know who had a kf laser with turbo conversion all had problems with engine mounts breaking. Seem to be a front wheel drives with to much power thing.

They're completely different cars. It's no comparison.

I havent seen the RPW TT have any engine mount problems, nor has Booya and they're both pumping a lot of power.

Sounds more like a laser with too much power thing, I'm afraid.

that supercharger sounds like an awesome idea. I already have the whole extractors and exhaust system and was planning on getting an FPR soon anyway as the axhaust has made the flat spots a little more prominant and i was hoping the FPR would get rid of them. hmmmm food for thought. whats the actual supercharger and what model is it from etc. no harm in actually having a look into it.

Ok. Here is my idea for a cost effective supercharging idea that 'might' work. And it goes like this...

Great minds must think alike!!! I mentioned the same system in the tuf TR thread......

I will find out the product numbers of the supercharger in a couple of days or so and PM them or something. As I have had my aircon removed I have sized up the supercharger and it could fit very well. As for the pulley ratios, I dont think the supercharger will punch out too much boost - we do have a fairly large 4 cyl motor, but something might need to be done about enlarging the pulley size on the supercharger. My friend is selling his if thought proves this idea worthy :D

That idea sounds good, I am interested as funds will increase alot over chrismas, who could install this?
Im in WA

Oh and will i have to remove my extractors ect?

turboing a 4g54 is not hard and is cheap
ferst u must lower your compreshon to do this u use pistons out ov a sigma 2.6 astron one moter thay are a dished piston and get a coper hed gaskit made
for the turbo t3 or a t4 is good
use a sigma turbo exsorst manifold
but is your car efi or cabe
if it s efi just plum the cros over pipe int the throtel body and use a arfter market ecu
if its carbe u can use a blow thro sistem or a suk thro sistem
the blow thro sistem uses a weber or simaler and u plum the cros over pipe int the top ov that( hard to set up)
or go suk thro u just use a turbo carbe (su) on the intake ov the turboand then u make an adampter so u can plum the cros over pipe into were your old carbe bolted on to
to sum it up u can do it on the cheap for aboiut $1500 to $2000 if u kno wot u are doing if not it cood cost u a lot :)

whens this getting done ??
im keen on doin something similar i only need bigger injectors, fpr, and a metal headgasket then i'll be ready to bolt on the s/c

turboing a 4g54 is not hard and is cheap
ferst u must lower your compreshon to do this u use pistons out ov a sigma 2.6 astron one moter thay are a dished piston and get a coper hed gaskit made
for the turbo t3 or a t4 is good
use a sigma turbo exsorst manifold
but is your car efi or cabe
if it s efi just plum the cros over pipe int the throtel body and use a arfter market ecu
if its carbe u can use a blow thro sistem or a suk thro sistem
the blow thro sistem uses a weber or simaler and u plum the cros over pipe int the top ov that( hard to set up)
or go suk thro u just use a turbo carbe (su) on the intake ov the turboand then u make an adampter so u can plum the cros over pipe into were your old carbe bolted on to
to sum it up u can do it on the cheap for aboiut $1500 to $2000 if u kno wot u are doing if not it cood cost u a lot :)

I thought that wasn't possible because sigmas are RWD, i remember asking about extractors from a sigma and the guy said they wouldn't go on because of this.

Whoops!!! I was meant to find out some details of the supercharger. Umm, i'll have to do it in a couple of days. It is only a small one BTW. I guess it wouldnt matter too much which or what type it is as long as it has a ribbed pulley and is NOT big. I had a very simple idea as for retarding the ingition timing that wont hurt the car. Check this idea:

Adjust the distributor!!!

So that the timing is permanently retarded. Add a couple of degrees timing at the disrtibutor will mean double the degrees at the motor. It will not harm the engine, it just wont have as much power when you are not boosting ( + bad economy ). However when you open up the throttle and you come under boost, the car will not detonate. Badaboom. Anywho I gotta go cause I gotta take a sh!t big time.

nah its cool. take your time, as im not in any big rush, im just looking at all the possible ideas there are out there about doing the car up and its just that this one actually sounds really good and theres also the fact that no one else on the forum (i think) has done it.

rpw around 8grand for a single turbo

Cool. He hasn't been home the last few days. No-one that I know of has supercharged their Magna. Damn you could get some good take off's and get the jump on heaps of turbo's. As mine is decompressed I really have to give it some to get a good take off. Then the turbo kicks in :D

what times have you ran shagna, well ruff

They're completely different cars. It's no comparison.

I havent seen the RPW TT have any engine mount problems, nor has Booya and they're both pumping a lot of power.

Sounds more like a laser with too much power thing, I'm afraid.

If you say there wouldn't be a problem then whats with the threads ive seen concerning broken engine mounts on just stock or slightly modded magnas since ive joined this forum? (i remember people saying this was even more of a problem with manuals)
Wasn't there even a group buy for standard and strengthened engine mounts?

And do you know if booya or the rpw magna are running standard engine mounts?

For the non-mechanically minded (like me :doubt: )...
Not that I'm seriously thinking of this ($ would prevent) but it's interesting anyway.

How does a supercharger work and where does it attach to the engine (where do the pipes go)?
Also, at a low psi (eg. 5-6) - would this hurt the engine internals of a TS V6?
Sorry for the lame/silly questions - but one has to ask to find out.



...As I have had my aircon removed I have sized up the supercharger and it could fit very well...
Shagna,
Would you have to remove the aircon - would it be possible to supercharge a Magna and keep the A/C ?

Thanks Guys'n'Gals - keep up the good work - these threads are interesting to watch - then every now & then one of you actualy do the mod and it's like WOW !

Please don't get me wrong - I'm not a sucker for all the gadgetry and junk on ebay - most of which will not deliver the horsepower or gain they advertise or may hurt your engine in other ways, but...
I have noticed a lot of threads (when discussing CAI, etc.) talk about the quantity of air and pressure etc.
What are peoples thoughts on this...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72478&item=4543966958&rd=1

is it a :badgrin: :cool: or a :nuts: :bowrofl: :gtfo:

i think the toyota supercharger you'd be looking at would be good for something like 3-5psi.
boost. that means because atmospheric pressure is approx 15psi, you are cramming 20-33% more air into your engine. combine that with 20-33% more fuel and you have 20-33% more power. (roughly) a supercharger runs off the engine belt and all it does is cram more air into your throttlebody.
you could get more boost by running a smaller pulley which would make the supercharger run harder and give more boost etc..
you'll probably lose air cond unless you can find space to put the s'charger and provided you can find a belt the right length to run everything.

...How does a supercharger work and where does it attach to the engine (where do the pipes go)?...
Okay, after a little searching - I'll answer one of my own questions.
This is the best explanation I have found - gives good pros/cons and general info on both Turbocharging and Supercharging.
Refer to a thread I have placed in 'Tech Torque'...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17722

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I hate it when that happens. Before i hit submit i always copy the text so if it does time out, i just have to paste it in the next time :)

What are peoples thoughts on this...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72478&item=4543966958&rd=1

is it a :badgrin: :cool: or a :nuts: :bowrofl: :gtfo:

add the cost of a new engine manage to that i cant see stock ecu adjusting the injector pulse enough for even 2-3psi unless somone wants to prove me wrong

I hate it when that happens. Before i hit submit i always copy the text so if it does time out, i just have to paste it in the next time :)
yeh i always do same after i wrote a post equivilant to an essay and had it time out. such a pain in the arse. i think thats when my mouse got broken.

stock the gto engine has 250kw at the fly and 450nm of torque, you'd want to rebuild it too and it would be stupid without an lsd, but ill have it done over the next few years...12 flats would be quite possible.
i want diamante' awd floorpan ---> convert ---> 10's hopefully, i really need to finish this uni course that ive just started

oh and shagna the only modified magna in my home town was a te wagon supercharged quite easily--->it flew and sounded awesome...dont know how fast

The Engine problem you talk of is familar to me i had a KE TX3 TURBO FWD now i did i think 3 engine mounts the front 1 all the time i was told to put a shock absorber fron the back of the engine to the firewall but thought it was stupid as i only had lil mods done and knew people runing mid 13's and not having problems i think it had more to do with what clutch i had and my driving style in the end we just used metal plate insted of rubber in the mounts wasnt a great idea but no more ripped mounts but vibrations were there but they wernt that bad.

a GTO engine in a magna will haul ass no doubt what gearbox would ya use though liek isnt a GTO AWD what Gearbox would ya use going into a TR or later.

and the supercharger look just get a machine shop to make a big pulley up now i know there are kits from japan for the 4AGZE supercharger which takes it to 12psi now i dunno if u are talking of 4AGZE supercharger or 6 Cylinder Toyota Supercharger mate just get a bigger pulley machined up and add a BOV and have it open up at say 14 psi and no more boost will go into the engine as it will leak out the BOV it acts as a boost regulator just a thought.

or if you have a lathe just machine up some and test them out with a Boost gauge see what ya get.