View Full Version : Pods - good or bad for magnas?
M4DDOG
20-12-2004, 04:24 PM
OK, i've heard that pods are bad cuz they swirl the air and the MAS cant detect the air, but then i've heard that if you have the pod far enough away the air get's fairly straight by the time it hits the MAS anyway, and i've also heard that the MAS will detect swirling air anyway and i'm really confused. I know this has been said before but i cant get the search function to work :cry: . If i say, put a pipe to the mas, then to a pod thats probably about 1m away down the pipe, will this work well?
Black Beard
20-12-2004, 04:29 PM
There are a couple of manufacturers who design pod filters to be compatible with MAF equipped cars (like our magnas). K&N is the one that comes to mind - their model is an oval shaped pod which comes with a adaptor for attaching it to the MAF, I believe this adaptor uses a 'honeycomb' type grill which apparently helps keep the air flowing in a strait line.
I also seem to remember for THsmokers original DIY CAI thread that he used a different make of pod filter which also promised not to 'swirl' the air, and apparently at a fraction of the cost of a K&N unit.
M4DDOG
20-12-2004, 04:43 PM
There are a couple of manufacturers who design pod filters to be compatible with MAF equipped cars (like our magnas). K&N is the one that comes to mind - their model is an oval shaped pod which comes with a adaptor for attaching it to the MAF, I believe this adaptor uses a 'honeycomb' type grill which apparently helps keep the air flowing in a strait line.
I also seem to remember for THsmokers original DIY CAI thread that he used a different make of pod filter which also promised not to 'swirl' the air, and apparently at a fraction of the cost of a K&N unit.
My MAF/MAS whatever it is has a honeycomb like grill on the opening to the airbox. Will this prevent the pod from affecting the MAF?
kodos
20-12-2004, 05:29 PM
Black beard got it slightly wrong. The adapter is just a spacer which allows you to bolt the pod to the MAF which yes, does have the honeycomb stuff in it. THe K&N filter is oval shaped which apparently reduces turbulent air flow within the pod so the honeycomb can do its job of "straightening" the air moving past the sensor. I've had my pod on for a few weeks now and have had no problems.
Hope this helps. :)
M4DDOG
20-12-2004, 05:48 PM
Is your pod attached to your MAF or is it attached to a lengthy pipe which is then attached to the MAF?
ALSO, TH SMOKER, i hope your online tonight because i need to ask you something, with your CAI you removed the containers that are connected to the intake and plugged up the holes with milk bottle caps, my question is, what are the boxes and are they neccessary. My dad says that it's something to do with polution control, i have no idea, i just thought they were like a storage container or something for some extra air when needed :confused: . If anyone can answer this please reply here :D.
kodos
20-12-2004, 06:10 PM
Nah, Its just attached to the MAF for the moment. Thinking about CAI but happy the way it is for the moment.
TH smoker
20-12-2004, 06:50 PM
the box's are resonators, they make your intake noise quiter, not sure how they work, but i know they have noththing to do with polution control.
now with the pipe the longer it is the more swirl you get, witch is good because the more swirl you get the faster and easyer the air can travel to your t/b(in some ways), so if you put you MAF at the start of your intake there's less or no swirl for it to work properly
resenators apparently also help your car idle smoother and gives u smoother power deliver when climbing in revs, and during lower revs...i think.
As for the pod thing, i personally reckon (coz i've never used a pod on my car before) there shouldn't be a problem. Get a big 5" round filter or an oval shaped one.
RyanCameron
20-12-2004, 07:33 PM
i emailed K&N and asked if they made a pod for the 2nd gen .. they said no..
wesmag
20-12-2004, 07:38 PM
good evening guys
sorry to hijack your thread but didnt want to open a new thread with another question about pods.
i have heard that it is probably better to go for the panel filter because you are not getting as much hot air coming onto the filter as the pod would have. thats with out putting a CAI on to it. What do you guy think of this.
M4DDOG
20-12-2004, 07:41 PM
resenators apparently also help your car idle smoother and gives u smoother power deliver when climbing in revs, and during lower revs...i think.
As for the pod thing, i personally reckon (coz i've never used a pod on my car before) there shouldn't be a problem. Get a big 5" round filter or an oval shaped one.
I NEED to know the EXACT effect of removing the resonators before i do it :), also, thinking of removing the bottom of the stock airbox on my TR, putting a pod directly onto the MAF, and then leading piping from the front to the pod (the bottom would be sealed with duct tape or something). The only problem i see with this is the pod will be on its side, and the air would be coming from underneath, would this effect the way the pod works? or would the air just get sucked around to the top and sides easily?
namaste
20-12-2004, 10:23 PM
In relation to the resonator thing, when I removed mine, I gained a cooler intake noise, and also slightly more power at hi revs, but lost some smoothness in power delivery and some low down power.
This is from personal experience.
M4DDOG
20-12-2004, 10:50 PM
In relation to the resonator thing, when I removed mine, I gained a cooler intake noise, and also slightly more power at hi revs, but lost some smoothness in power delivery and some low down power.
This is from personal experience.
Would a CAI make up for the power lost down low?
Neosaber
21-12-2004, 05:16 AM
Would a CAI make up for the power lost down low?
In my experience i would say yes
MitsiMonsta
21-12-2004, 07:39 AM
Okay guys, I know a bit about this.
Read the thread in the third gen forum about "acceleration flat spot 1500-2500rpm".
This is what a pod / panel will do for you. Mine ends up a total pain in the @ss to drive in the city during stop-start on Parramatta Road, but otherwise I love it!
A Resonator helps with iduction noise and airflow. Works on the principle of blowing accross the lip of a bottle. It puts reasonance (sound) into your induction, apparently does things for fuel economy, torque delivery and a number of other things. Manufacturers put 'em there for a reason guys.
That said, you can't really hurt anything if you take them off and plug them up. You could try a different size as well. There was a great article in a Zoom magazine a couple of years ago about reasonators. If I remember correctly - the bigger the volume, the better. The stock one they had was about 300mls, They put a 600ml coke bottle on it and got a 3kW gain (on an SR20DET I think).
Doing anything to your intake (and exhuast) will usually mean low end torque loss, with a possible high end power gain.
BirdManVRX
21-12-2004, 08:39 AM
How's this for an idea.... Put in an oval pod with honeycomb straighteners, then put a Hiclone up the pipe before the T/B to swirl the air before going into the engine.
That way you get the best of both worlds. Straight air thru the MAF/MAS and swirling air into the plenum.
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