YES!
It's finaly finished and works beautifully. I had to remove the bigger resonator, but left the smaller one in there. OMG the sound the engine makes at about 2500 revs, sounds so cool. Thinking with a hi-flow straight through muffler it would sound awesome, might do that one day during the week. Came accross many problems but overcame them! I'll see how it goes and if it holds up, i'll be selling some kits for you 2nd gen guys, probably around the $100 mark, maybe have a K&N panel version for about $220 (or whatever a K&N + $100 would equal). If anyone is interested in a kit please pm me so i can update you on progress. But i'd like to thank the following people for ideas, and general help.
Harro
TH SMOKER
Samurai
Monga
All the guys in the resonator/pod thread.

My kit will only fit an auto for now, but harro and i will be modding my kit to fit a manual in the next couple of days :). Should be easier actually.
Gains =
Down low there was a little gain, but once you hit 2500 revs it goes alot harder. A nice cool sporty sound at about 2000-2500 revs, with a hi-flow muffler would really sound awesome.
This is with a dirty stock filter, with a new stock filter or even a K&N it would go much harder. Definatly worth the money. If any 2nd gen victorians are interested, me and harro could organise a CAI day or something. Thats if it survives my testing though (i'll be testing it VERY well to make sure it lasts). I'm not selling something without having it on my car at least a week.

If people want pictures i'd be more than happy to upload some, and i may even upload a video file with what the car sounds like. Any questions or comments would be greatly appreciated, thanks
Leigh

Great work! Got any pics of it all rigged up?

wow that was quick

yours is a 4cyl though isn't it?

wow that was quick

yours is a 4cyl though isn't it?

I have alot of spare time :).
Yeh it is a 4 cyl, i'll need to see the engine bay of a V6 to see if it would fit. if anyone has a pic i'd be happy to take a look at it (one that shows a good view of the airbox). Pics will be uploaded shortly along with a video footage of the sound it makes.

dude
any chance of rigging one up for a 3rd gen auto tp work with a panel filter?

Just resized and uploading pics of TR-envy "CAI kit" for him.....enjoy

dude
any chance of rigging one up for a 3rd gen auto tp work with a panel filter?

If you mean 1st gen TP, i'd have to see how the airbox is set up, if its the same or very similar i dont see why not, send me a photo of a TP engine focusing on the airbox.

I'll only be charging about $70 for this kit guys, as its not really a kit, more of an airbox with a hole in it, duct tape and a pipe. It still needs to be tested and a little bit of work, just to tweak it. I will also write up a how to, even though its VERY basic. Any vic guys are welcome to ask for help with their cai and i'd be happy to show you what i've done.

Heres a couple more pics, thanks samurai.

I think the 4 and 6 have the same airbox setup. Here's a couple of pics of my old baby and can remember thinking how strange it was for them to use the same set up.

I think the 4 and 6 have the same airbox setup. Here's a couple of pics of my old baby and can remember thinking how strange it was for them to use the same set up.
THANK YOU, those pictures are good, by the looks of it the space between the engine and airbox are similar, is the airbox a different size for the 6? when i went to the wreckers today he asked if it was for a 4 or 6. Really i'd have to take a look at the V6 engine bay in person, i might go visit the mitsubishi car yard tomorrow (its right next to a zorst place, might go get a hi-flow muffler put on :D). Assuming the 6 airbox is the same price, the price for the kit wouldn't change, thats assuming it fits. I'll have to get back to you all on that one. Harro if you read this tonight/tomorrow, if we get enough interest in the kit for 4 cylinders, might as well get a whole heap of us together and do it all at the same time.

*** EDIT ***
Just like to add that the air intake down the bottom is not permanent (well it may be), but i am currently working on trying to place it somewhere else. Maybe attaching a scoop to the bottom of it. Also working on something to protect it from dust and foreign objects. I'm thinking probably re-mounting it behind the front bumper somewhere.

looks good similar to mine. you will find some issues (well in from what i found in my car) mounting it behind the bumper unless you want to cut away some metal so i left mine just under it to scoop.

a thing to note cars with AFM's loose noticable torque bottom end with modifed airboxes/pods. as the factory airbox is tuned (calculated to an apropriate size) to suck an optimal "X" amount of volume of air per stroke. by modifying the box or removing it to put a pod on you will notice the bottom end lacking a tad.

with the foriegn obejects entering it well hasnt happend and ive had my set up for fair few mths. you get a bit more bugs thats about it. the ribbed piping stops most of the stuff going further up esp water.

my idea was sort of similar which ive just started building although i didnt want to cut into the air box so that at any time in the future i could restore it back if need be. I was looking at relocating the windscreen washer bottle and having the piping run out of the normal hole in the airbox and running around the battery where the washer bottle used to be. My only current problem is where im going to place the washer bottle. Sorry i took so long with my thread about this http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12518 but ive just been really busy with work. hopefully have something to show by tomorrow.

just a few question... what type of pipe did you use, how much where from etcetc

also as ive got a gen1 can i have a pic of the origianl setup in the gen2s or an explination on where the pipe comes out of the factory box cos from what i understand you cut out that hole for the new pipe/cai to go so where does the original hole come out to get air??

well in my paticular case it was ducted cooling/heating flexi pipe (bunnings sell it) it can extend to 2m or so and bend ANY way you please. i think its the same deal with 2nd gen but i routed mine towards the tranny dipstick and to the left, there is a plastic gaurd there cut a 3" hole there and then the pipe can bend around and youve got it to the front of the car.

my idea was sort of similar which ive just started building although i didnt want to cut into the air box so that at any time in the future i could restore it back if need be. I was looking at relocating the windscreen washer bottle and having the piping run out of the normal hole in the airbox and running around the battery where the washer bottle used to be. My only current problem is where im going to place the washer bottle. Sorry i took so long with my thread about this http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12518 but ive just been really busy with work. hopefully have something to show by tomorrow.

Yeh the water bottle gets in the way, just do what i told samurai and put a 600ml bottle of coke there filled with water :bowrofl: . I just bought a spare airbox from a wreckers, $25. Also they were right in the other thread about transmission, the auto gearshifter sticks right in the way, but i've taken care of that with the cable tie. The manual would be alot easier to do. The hole where mine is sits VERY nicely under the filter.

If you mean 1st gen TP, i'd have to see how the airbox is set up, if its the same or very similar i dont see why not, send me a photo of a TP engine focusing on the airbox.


nah i mean a 3rd gen TE 97 verada mate, sorry misstyped the last message, what if i send ya a photo of my airbox setup will you be able to rig something up?
cheers
jaz

nah i mean a 3rd gen TE 97 verada mate, sorry misstyped the last message, what if i send ya a photo of my airbox setup will you be able to rig something up?
cheers
jaz

TH SMOKER is selling 3rd gen cai kits, i can look at it though and see what i can do. But it'd be abit hard without seeing it in person, basically all you'd have to do is lead a pipe from your existing opening in the airbox to the bumper or somewhere where cold air is coming in.

TH SMOKER is selling 3rd gen cai kits, i can look at it though and see what i can do. But it'd be abit hard without seeing it in person, basically all you'd have to do is lead a pipe from your existing opening in the airbox to the bumper or somewhere where cold air is coming in.
How much are these 3rd gen kits? :think:

finally finished my CAI yesterday but for some reason couldnt get onto AMC. Anyway i did relocate the water bottle for now but am going to go to wreckers to find a smaller waterbottle to fit into the space i have(not a coke bottle). It has small bit of more go than before but for some reason my idle has dropped significantly with it idleing at 600rpm.

Also coz i found a crack in my rocker cover which was leaking oil i decided to get a "new" one from the wreckers. Cost $35 but was covered in crap. After a half day of sanding and cleaning, ive enamled it and that is the final product.

Also coz i found a crack in my rocker cover which was leaking oil i decided to get a "new" one from the wreckers. Cost $35 but was covered in crap. After a half day of sanding and cleaning, ive enamled it and that is the final product.

Nice job, looks A1! Like the headers too.

very nice work there TR_Envy :)

definitly intrested in one of your kits as well

and throw me on the list of ppl to keep updated.

one question i do have, noticed any increase or decrease in full usage now CAI has been installed?

very nice work there TR_Envy :)

definitly intrested in one of your kits as well

and throw me on the list of ppl to keep updated.

one question i do have, noticed any increase or decrease in full usage now CAI has been installed?
It's not really a kit, more an airbox with a hole in it, a pipe and some duct tape. But i will add you to the list. So far the testing is good and its been holding up nicely, had one incident where i put the pipe leading to the mas on too tight and that caused my throttle body one to come lose while driving (not cool) but all fixed now, most of you should have stock rubber piping so it wouldn't really matter. up to about 2500 rpm you dont feel alot of difference but when it hits over that you can really feel it pulling harder, also under heavier acceleration it tends to rev alot more smoothly and wanna keep going. The only thing i've noticed is i dont think the ecu is using the extra air properly and running abit lean, i think i need to disconnect the battery and reset the ecu. But i'll wait til i get my muffler done. I also have a dirty stock panel filter, so with a K&N or even just a clean panel stock filter the gains would be far more noticable. If any vic guys are interested and are going to the cruise tomorrow i'd be happy to show you what i've done. While i'm at the cruise meeting point imight grab a new air filter actually, theres a super cheap nearby right?

anymore news of fuel usage (increase or decrease), power, throttle response???????

for me its a bit hard to give you an idea about fuel consumption because 2 days before i did my CAI i also replaced my O2 sensor. So while my fuel consumption has dropped slightly its most likely not due to the CAI. Also the fact that i have extractors and cat-back exhaust makes my fuel consumption not terribly good in the first place. Id say yes there is some difference in throttle response being that it seems to be happy to accelerate from the word go and revs a little more freely, but not such a significant difference in power that i could notice.

for me its a bit hard to give you an idea about fuel consumption because 2 days before i did my CAI i also replaced my O2 sensor. So while my fuel consumption has dropped slightly its most likely not due to the CAI. Also the fact that i have extractors and cat-back exhaust makes my fuel consumption not terribly good in the first place. Id say yes there is some difference in throttle response being that it seems to be happy to accelerate from the word go and revs a little more freely, but not such a significant difference in power that i could notice.
Yeh the power difference is noticeable, its not a HUGE increase, but you can definatly feel it pulling harder. Revs alot more freely. As for fuel comsumption i'll let you know in a couple days as i'm only about 1/4 through my tank so far, but on the freeway i sit at about 2200 revs doing 100km/h, down from about 2400-2500 revs, so freeway driving the economy would be abit better. By the end of the week i should have a clear indication of whether i'm selling the kits or not, but so far it looks good :D.

do the kits come with or without the Mounting bracket....(i.e Gaffa tape) :bowrofl:

i dont know about TR-envy 's kit but i was planing on sealing the piping to the stock square pipe with some fibreglassing work. Im probably not going to do that now tho as if i do go ahead with the supercharging then not really going to need it.
As for securing the piping, thats what cable ties are for :)

do the kits come with or without the Mounting bracket....(i.e Gaffa tape) :bowrofl:
:bowrofl: Yeh i'll pay that one. I was thinking of making a plastic mount for the airbox and i dunno about the intake cuz mine will eventually lead into a hole in my front.

Has anyone here also though about the waste of time a cai is if you do not bypass the coolant pipes to the throttle body.

Did mine, and before the experts state it will stall when cold, it does not do this at all, not whne properly tuned anyhow.

I wouldnt really call it a waste of time - CAI's do work without the need to bypass those coolant passages in the intake manifold. However you are right, bypass them and it works even better :)

true. how did you bypass?

Yeh i'm not exactly sure what you mean by bypassing coolant pipes :confused:

Also check this post out:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=177449

i know that coolant or whatever is passed through the throttle body to heat up the air flowing into the plenium chamber but i dont know where exactly they are. i might just have a look tomorrow or something and take a pic.

Easy, there are 2 pipes, one in and one out.

Remove them from the TB, take one off and loop the second over to the outlet of the first.

Simple really

do i need it retuned tho if i do this or adjust so that it idles at a higher rpm or something?

retuned? there is nothing to tune on these motors really........lol

i doubt it would affect your idle at all, but if u need to adjust it its just 1 screw.....its not like u need a mechanic to do it for u.....

Originally by Madmagna
Did mine, and before the experts state it will stall when cold, it does not do this at all, not whne properly tuned anyhow.


Originally by Samurai
retuned? there is nothing to tune on these motors really........
i doubt it would affect your idle at all, but if u need to adjust it its just 1 screw.....its not like u need a mechanic to do it for u.....

hence question

YES!
It's finaly finished and works beautifully. I had to remove the bigger resonator, but left the smaller one in there.
mate take the small one off aswell GROWL

pseudomorphous, thats looks 99% identical to my cai, only i managed to do it with the washer bottle in its original place. It runs through the gap behind it.

Also, does the coolant pipe trick really work? if so, how much better are the gains?
Are there any problems with overheating on warm summer days?; especially when the cai piping under the car picks up all the heat from the road surface.

i did the throttle body bypass a little while ago. have a search on the net for it you can buy kits though they're not really needed.
Basically what i've been told is that the coolant heats the TB at startup under extreme cold , to stop it freezing or sticking.
So in our warmer case it just heats the T/B and plenum for no good reason.

To do it buy about 400mm of 3/8" heater hose. remove the two short hoses that link the T/B to the rest of the cooling system. then bypass the T/B with the new length of hose (you'll need a new lenght the old ones aren't long enough). oh yeah and block off the leftover T/B pipes so the coolant left in there doesn't spill out next time you drive. done.

doesn't increase power but reduces that heat soak power loss that happens after about 10 mins of driving. bargain @ $5 :shifty:

well i just got back from a fair sized road trip and had no overheating problems and the fuel effeciency was fairly nice. Taking into account the larger wheels i averaged 9L/100kms for the trip.

What are peoples thoughts about POD filters?

Anyone done CAI with a POD filter? Or does the POD just take too much hot air from the engine?

Are there any down-sides to bypassing the throttle body coolant pipes?

Kim

bypassing is a good idea esp on EFI cars, on carbys its ok but it takes longer for the choke to open up (ie it will run rich for longer on warm up). unless you get close to 0 or negative climate temperatures in your area you dont really need it. it just stops things sticking.

read up on it, many people have done dyno runs before and after and on avg they have gained 2-3hp at the wheels doin a throttle body coolant bypass.

on the subject of cai and cause my question in 2nd gen isnt getting answers, is it safe to just move the MAS sensor (hahah like atm machines, i crack me up...) so i can get a straighter flow to a pod in a 2nd gen. Just want to utilise space and remove the hindrance of the battery...

kim, i think pod filters are better personally but i believe 90% of people never set them up right...the sucking hot air from the engine is where i think most ppl go wrong, heat sheilding and sufficiant air flow (through a nice cai) i think it would out perform a panel filter, i have no delved into my set up yet.

What are peoples thoughts about POD filters?

Anyone done CAI with a POD filter? Or does the POD just take too much hot air from the engine?

Are there any down-sides to bypassing the throttle body coolant pipes?

Kim
Pod's are ok but you have to heat shield them otherwise sucking in hot engine air which would probably see a loss in power :P. The only downside i've heard from bypassing the coolant pipes is if it's a REALLY REALLY cold morning, close to 0 degrees, your car will have trouble starting and will probably stall. I may just do that mod, hmmmmm.

As for the pod vs panel, i'm not exactly sure which would be overall better, all i know is that panels work better usually because they use the existing air box and people usually just place pods in open engine. So in theory a well sealed pod with good cai would work really well, but i could imagine that using a sh!tload of space, and 2nd gens dont have alot in there! Also moving the MAS is fine as long as it doesn't get moved close to the bottom of the engine bay where it can get hit by water = new MAS = expensive.

Pod's are ok

std filters are even more OK

i would have thought extending the wiring from the MAS sensor would corrupt data or decrease the accuracy of the signal sent from the sensor to the ecu as its changed from factory length. maybe extending it no more than 15cm.

hmm, I might ditch my POD filter and go back to a K&N panel (dont want to be sucking in hot air, and I can't find enough space to run piping around). Bugger!

i would have thought extending the wiring from the MAS sensor would corrupt data or decrease the accuracy of the signal sent from the sensor to the ecu as its changed from factory length. maybe extending it no more than 15cm.
Yeh i also thought about this too, but wasn't sure. Like if you extended the wiring, the timing might be off, resulting in a "lag" of some sort. Like the engine thinks it's getting Y amount of air but its really getting X amount from the last reading. Although i doubt there'd be any major changes in air flow to really make the car run lean/rich, but i guess it is possible.

i was thinking this as well. So i thought what if i move that right angle bend in the intake to earlier so i can set up a pod next to and slightly underneath the battery. Then get a nice heat sheilded cai set up from the bumper straight to it. This shortens out the curves that would be needed to get cai to stock air box. In this position i dont think the wiring for the mas would be any longer

The 4 cylinder also had very little room to run a CAI which is why i removed the washer bottle. Havnt gotten around to the bypass throttle body coolant pipes yet but while im working on my car tomorrow i might as well do it then. And didnt some people extend the MAF sensor wires in the 3rd gens when they were placing the pod in the bumper? oculd ask some of them how it went.

Open pipe looking infront of the car like that freaks me out more than my pod hanging lower than the front tow jack.