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GoTRICE
23-12-2004, 05:33 PM
Hello,
just wondering if the ks veradas ever got the 3.5L 6g74 engine. This is because i like the old shape but want the new engine...
thanks
Big Paul
23-12-2004, 05:42 PM
nope, only the 4cyl 2.6L and the 6cyl 3L's were put in 1st gens.3.5L's didnt get put in magnas/veradas until the TH/KH was released.
But u could always try cramming 1 in their........................................
GoTRICE
23-12-2004, 05:48 PM
thanks for the reply mate, KE for the veradas
ahhh dilemma, love the curves of the K/TS but love the engine of the 3.5L.
You see my plan was to twin turbo the 6g74 in a verada, but i love manuals, and the sexyness of the TS, do you think 500cc of displacement will make such a large distinction with two turbos.
Please note i have thoroughly thought out the engine work side of things and do not think i'm crazy. Thanks again
edit; also i do not like the idea of transplants, personal choice...
you'll also find that 3.5ltr engines are mirrored as they are out of the 3rd gen not 2nd gen
GoTRICE
23-12-2004, 06:01 PM
you'll also find that 3.5ltr engines are mirrored as they are out of the 3rd gen not 2nd gen
sorry i do not follow, could you elaborate on mirrored
like yur lookin in a mirror
will get a pic of each and show ya
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5502
2nd gen
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4239
3rd gen
GoTRICE
23-12-2004, 06:15 PM
oh do your mean as in set up??? i know that the intake switches side???
http://uploads.bestupload.com/redir/33391.jpg
you'll also find that the gear box is on the other side so u couldnt just swap the intakes
GoTRICE
23-12-2004, 06:27 PM
oh i can be stupid, mirrored reflected oppostiely, thanks for your help, in the last 20 minutes i have decided to change a mindset which i have had for about 6 months
KX_69
23-12-2004, 06:58 PM
nope, only the 4cyl 2.6L and the 6cyl 3L's were put in 1st gens.3.5L's didnt get put in magnas/veradas until the TH/KH was released.
But u could always try cramming 1 in their........................................
do u mean the 2nd gens? cause the 1st gens didnt hav the 6cyl. and the 3.5L started in the verada in the KE/KF im pretty sure, then the 3.5L was available in the magna in the TH.
Big Paul
23-12-2004, 07:04 PM
do u mean the 2nd gens? cause the 1st gens didnt hav the 6cyl. and the 3.5L started in the verada in the KE/KF im pretty sure, then the 3.5L was available in the magna in the TH.
my bad
TecoDaN
23-12-2004, 07:12 PM
your best bet would be to do a DOHC swap like KB. Pretty much a bolt on job.
M4DDOG
23-12-2004, 10:17 PM
The KE had the option of 3.5, 3.5 motor will not fit into a 2nd gen, it is around the wrong way. Your best bet is to get the 3L DOHC engine, which is far superior to the TS V6 and the TE/TF V6, i think it's even got my kW than the 3.5 motor. Also you can pick up a MIVEC DOHC 3L engine which are even better, but they are rare as a straight man at mardi gra. Good luck though, twin turboing a TS v6 will be alright, but i'm pretty sure the DOHC 3L was built as a racing engine and you can actually get pre-turboed engines. Good luck in your search.
Killbilly
24-12-2004, 06:15 AM
A MIVEC DOHC wont go into a 2nd gen.
You'd be after the non mivec version, which is the conversion I did.
TecoDaN
24-12-2004, 08:10 AM
The KE had the option of 3.5
Well actually the KE came standard with a 3.5
Why couldn't you put a 74 in a 2nd gen? surely the block is practically the same? I would've thought if you put the 2nd gen manifolds and mounts on you could turn it around and bolt it in?
M4DDOG
24-12-2004, 09:43 PM
Why couldn't you put a 74 in a 2nd gen? surely the block is practically the same? I would've thought if you put the 2nd gen manifolds and mounts on you could turn it around and bolt it in?
But then wouldn't the exhaust and transmission be facing the wrong way?
Killbilly
25-12-2004, 05:20 AM
Why bother going to the trouble of getting a '74 just to "find out" if it fits or not, when you can get the DOHC which has been proven to fit and has more potential? :nuts:
GoTRICE
25-12-2004, 07:58 AM
The KE had the option of 3.5, 3.5 motor will not fit into a 2nd gen, it is around the wrong way. Your best bet is to get the 3L DOHC engine, which is far superior to the TS V6 and the TE/TF V6, i think it's even got my kW than the 3.5 motor. Also you can pick up a MIVEC DOHC 3L engine which are even better, but they are rare as a straight man at mardi gra. Good luck though, twin turboing a TS v6 will be alright, but i'm pretty sure the DOHC 3L was built as a racing engine and you can actually get pre-turboed engines. Good luck in your search.
Ok i'm not too keen on conversions, but i would like to know the basics that happen in this DOHC, can you just swap the heads?? (thats where the camshafts are isnt it?). As i am turboing no mivec also someone said it doesnt fit. I don't want a pre turboed engine but if this engine was built with racing at mind ive got a feeling it will be a fair bit stronger, if not i'll just majorly work the 6g72, but as previously stated i would muchly like to hear more on this DOHC conversion.
M4DDOG
25-12-2004, 11:22 AM
Ok i'm not too keen on conversions, but i would like to know the basics that happen in this DOHC, can you just swap the heads?? (thats where the camshafts are isnt it?). As i am turboing no mivec also someone said it doesnt fit. I don't want a pre turboed engine but if this engine was built with racing at mind ive got a feeling it will be a fair bit stronger, if not i'll just majorly work the 6g72, but as previously stated i would muchly like to hear more on this DOHC conversion.
Talk to KB, he's the man seen as he has done it. Also on www.fastmagna.com forums someone has just done it plus a twin turbo, so talk to him as well. The conversion is basically a bolt on, not much hassle at all.
What i meant by pre turboed is that i think some came out as factory turbos, i know you can get the NA engine and just buy the turbo internals fairly easily. I didn't know much about the mivec i just knew it was damn quick. I dont know about changing the heads, might be a different size i dunno.
GoTRICE
25-12-2004, 01:52 PM
Talk to KB, he's the man seen as he has done it. Also on www.fastmagna.com forums someone has just done it plus a twin turbo, so talk to him as well. The conversion is basically a bolt on, not much hassle at all.
What i meant by pre turboed is that i think some came out as factory turbos, i know you can get the NA engine and just buy the turbo internals fairly easily. I didn't know much about the mivec i just knew it was damn quick. I dont know about changing the heads, might be a different size i dunno.
KB as in KillBilly??, yeah i saw that conversion, so the 3L DOHC is from na GTO's??, it looks at the present time that this is a complete engine swap which i will probably decline from... anyways thanks for the replys and it would be good if KB could enlighten us on this matter.
Thanks again.
TZABOY
25-12-2004, 03:28 PM
You cannot just swap heads between the 12 valve SOHC and the 24v DOHC. Even if you could, it would be easier and cheaper to do the conversion. If you sourced and engine and ecu, a mechanic could swap it for you in a day, or just do what Killbilly has done and take your time over a few weekends.
There are less bolts in unbolting and engine totally out of a car than there are in unbolting a a set of heads.
tooSlow
25-12-2004, 04:52 PM
There are less bolts in unbolting and engine totally out of a car than there are in unbolting a a set of heads.
Tza is right ... less gaskets to replace as well !! ;)
nicem8
26-12-2004, 12:19 PM
there is a 3.5l quad cam that will fit , from a mitsubishi debonaire , i have bought this motor and will implant it in my ks verada in march of next year , specs say it is 194kw and i am hoping for 220k after i put the after market chip and exhaust on it , still naturally aspirated , and on the topic of killbillys 3.0l quad cam engine , that car is a rocket the difference on the normal sohc 3.0l is like a commodore v6 compared to a v8 club sport , that would be the most avaliable upgrade to do
thx norm
Big Paul
26-12-2004, 01:02 PM
there is a 3.5l quad cam that will fit , from a mitsubishi debonaire , i have bought this motor and will implant it in my ks verada in march of next year , specs say it is 194kw and i am hoping for 220k after i put the after market chip and exhaust on it , still naturally aspirated , and on the topic of killbillys 3.0l quad cam engine , that car is a rocket the difference on the normal sohc 3.0l is like a commodore v6 compared to a v8 club sport , that would be the most avaliable upgrade to do
thx norm
:shock:
awsome, cant wait 2 c that in action
GoTRICE
27-12-2004, 06:58 PM
You cannot just swap heads between the 12 valve SOHC and the 24v DOHC. Even if you could, it would be easier and cheaper to do the conversion. If you sourced and engine and ecu, a mechanic could swap it for you in a day, or just do what Killbilly has done and take your time over a few weekends.
There are less bolts in unbolting and engine totally out of a car than there are in unbolting a a set of heads.
QUESTIONS
1)have you got the price all up on this conversion??
2)what would be the difference in price between buying 6g72 DOHC and 6g72-TwinT, price for labour, i'd have ago with my knowledgable mates over a few weekends.
Theres insurance etc to consider, i wouldnt like to spend huge amounts...please enlighten me. I would consider it if it was pretty much bolt on and didnt take to much time and money??? thanks for your help
GoTRICE
27-12-2004, 07:02 PM
there is a 3.5l quad cam that will fit , from a mitsubishi debonaire , i have bought this motor and will implant it in my ks verada in march of next year , specs say it is 194kw and i am hoping for 220k after i put the after market chip and exhaust on it , still naturally aspirated , and on the topic of killbillys 3.0l quad cam engine , that car is a rocket the difference on the normal sohc 3.0l is like a commodore v6 compared to a v8 club sport , that would be the most avaliable upgrade to do
thx norm
would you be able to expand due, this also sounds interesting, straight bolt on??, cost to source engine?? thanks
nicem8
04-01-2005, 07:13 PM
sorry for the late reply , been on holidays :P
the 3.5l engine i bought is a one of a kind purchase , at this time , was imported in to australia by mistake , should be a straight bolt in , maybe have to change some piping , the biggest expence will be the after market chip costing about $ 2500.00 , if this engine works out to be a goood exchange , the people i have bought it from maybe able to import more ,
but i would wait until i have got it working ( mid march ) . also if you put a twin turbo in you would have to start thinking about a limited slip diff maybe upgrade the box , i am hoping that i dont have to do that with this motor , also just for info , a 6g72 motor means 3.0l
and a 6g74 means 3.5l , but does not denote the way the motor will face , the motor i bought is a 6g74 but i am sure it is a bored out 6g72 as the gearbox plate bolts straight up
hope this helps and i will post more as i progress cheeers norm
petemal2000
05-01-2005, 06:07 AM
Ok i'm not too keen on conversions, but i would like to know the basics that happen in this DOHC, can you just swap the heads?? (thats where the camshafts are isnt it?). As i am turboing no mivec also someone said it doesnt fit. I don't want a pre turboed engine but if this engine was built with racing at mind ive got a feeling it will be a fair bit stronger, if not i'll just majorly work the 6g72, but as previously stated i would muchly like to hear more on this DOHC conversion.
:soapbox:
ok this post sorta worries me,
how much research have you done into this? all these questions have been answered many times before, i get similar questions from people whos cars i work on. they all want to put big turbos and stuff onto their cars but as soon as you start talking $$ they tend to run away.
from what you have said so far i dont think you have totally looked at the costs involved, you could very easily spend 15-20k on all the stuff mentioned as judging by some of your comments you would have to pay someone to do the work
just a though, not intended to be having a go, just i get this same thing all the time
GoTRICE
05-01-2005, 07:08 PM
would u rather i buy first ask questions later eistein?? Am going to uni to do engineering next year and have mates who can easily teach me a bit about dropping an engine in, i did not say i am starting this conversion tomorrow. Also may i note i have learnt a bit about this conversion since looking for the knowledge in threads such as this. I was always going to twin turbo this just presents a better solution to my needs.
edit; engine + ecu, brakes and suspension upgrade, better cooling 15-20k was what i expected. Probably more...
Killbilly
05-01-2005, 07:17 PM
I think I missed it...but why wont you go a stock turbo engine?
GoTRICE
06-01-2005, 07:19 AM
I think I missed it...but why wont you go a stock turbo engine?
you mean stock turbo gto, i plan too, or do you mean turbo the SOHC, i dont think you do....
Killbilly
06-01-2005, 03:47 PM
Nah I meant stock turbo DOHC 24v.
Sorry I thought you said earlier you dont want to go the stock turbo'd motor. I cant read lol
petemal2000
07-01-2005, 06:30 AM
Nah I meant stock turbo DOHC 24v.
Sorry I thought you said earlier you dont want to go the stock turbo'd motor. I cant read lol
isnt there an issue with clearance with those engines?
With the GTO engine, I think there's a turbo parked right where the radiator is.
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