hey guys just wondering which is quicker and by how much? are they noticable differences and would a tf manual beat a tj auto?

a TF MANUAL 3L V6 (i think 140kw)

A TH MANUAL 3.5 V6 (i think 147kw)

is it worth buying a TH for a bit more and keeping it stock for a while or doing up a TF so i could get it to 147kw area..

how much would it cost?
what woudl i need to get it running near the th's performance area. (exhaust 2.5 allway through, air filter , extractors) what sort of power would i get from these mods....?

or is it worth saving for the tj manual which i probs couldnt due to being a student ....



cheers

please help me out guys

a manual 3L would be slightly quicker than a auto TH, although i'd go the manual TH :cool:

The TH manual will be quicker due to extra torque.

The TH will also include a nicer interior, a trip computer and will look better and go better. As for modding, you wil have more scope to yield greater gains with a TH also.

Simple choice really.

As for TJ, given you cant afford that, we wont even consider it in this discussion eh? ;)

After driving a TE manual (DreamTE) and a TH auto (mysti) i felt the TE had more stick, and just revved out easier. The TE has only an after market muffler and the TH is stock.

But

The TH is a nicer car, just a little more thought out and more modern

hey guys just wondering which is quicker and by how much? are they noticable differences and would a tf manual beat a tj auto?

a TF MANUAL 3L V6 (i think 140kw)

A TH MANUAL 3.5 V6 (i think 147kw)

is it worth buying a TH for a bit more and keeping it stock for a while or doing up a TF so i could get it to 147kw area..

how much would it cost?
what woudl i need to get it running near the th's performance area. (exhaust 2.5 allway through, air filter , extractors) what sort of power would i get from these mods....?

or is it worth saving for the tj manual which i probs couldnt due to being a student ....



cheers What freaks me out is that on paper magazine road tests produce almost identical figures for both the 3.0 manuals and the 3.5 manuals, a 3.0 manual TF was tested and did 0-100kph 7.6 secs and 15.56 0-400m, and that was only the 3.0, I can't imagine a 3.5 manual stock doing much better than that, from memory the figures were about the same 0-400m and actually a little slower about 7.7 secs 0-100 for the manual 3.5....confused :shock:

hey guys just wondering which is quicker and by how much? are they noticable differences and would a tf manual beat a tj auto?

The tf manual would kill it from a stand still (Experienced this) but from a rolling start the tj would be just that little quicker, The auto has nothin from a standstill thats my opinion anyways.. go the manual option

Unless you plan on doing something wild with your 3 TF ... go the 3.5 TH, purely because it is more likely to be a younger car, and be appointed with more features.

From a performance point of few ... probably not much in it ...

After driving a TE manual (DreamTE) and a TH auto (mysti) i felt the TE had more stick, and just revved out easier. The TE has only an after market muffler and the TH is stock.

But

The TH is a nicer car, just a little more thought out and more modern

I looked at a TH advance and a TF advance in a car yard and really could not see any difference, the interiors looked the same as well as the features, both had the same trip computer\speed alert thing (little blue screen) and other than different cloth patterns could not spot the difference, the TH had the bigger engine and different grille they were both wagons, correct me if I'm wrong because other than what I've mentioned they looked identical to me.

bodies do look identical. but the TH does ahev more features the only thing stopping me is the $$$ so its a TF probs manual of course.

is it easy to notice the torque difference (50nm) ?

What freaks me out is that on paper magazine road tests produce almost identical figures for both the 3.0 manuals and the 3.5 manuals, a 3.0 manual TF was tested and did 0-100kph 7.6 secs and 15.56 0-400m, and that was only the 3.0, I can't imagine a 3.5 manual stock doing much better than that, from memory the figures were about the same 0-400m and actually a little slower about 7.7 secs 0-100 for the manual 3.5....confused :shock:
It's been said before.....but don't put so much faith in magazine tests! :doubt:

If you really need one then look up autoweb which has a VRX manual doing a 15.07. But your better to judge by the results people on this forum have achieved at the drag strip. I would basically generalise the results something like this....

Depending on level of mods or still stock...
3.0L = 15.1 - 15.5 sec
3.5L = 14.7 - 15.2 sec

But i thought you were after an auto anyway? The 3.5 auto is quicker than the 3.0. It's roughly equal to or slightly slower than the 3.0 manual.

3.5L manual?

You guys have to look at the quarter mile times from people on this forum, there are more then a few very quick 3l manuals, reason being is that they are lighter and rev like no mans business, I have driven a few 3.5l manuals and 3l manuals, and I prefer the 3l.

The TH manual will be quicker due to extra torque.

The TH will also include a nicer interior, a trip computer and will look better and go better. As for modding, you wil have more scope to yield greater gains with a TH also.

Simple choice really.

As for TJ, given you cant afford that, we wont even consider it in this discussion eh? ;)



just th manual with a 3.5 are rare as hen teeth i have been looking no luck yet they are hard to find like good females

You guys have to look at the quarter mile times from people on this forum, there are more then a few very quick 3l manuals, reason being is that they are lighter and rev like no mans business, I have driven a few 3.5l manuals and 3l manuals, and I prefer the 3l.

I drove an auto TH 3.5 sedan, it was plenty fast enough for me, it's take off from a standstill was far superior to my auto VX commodore but felt similar once moving, but the magna felt as though it had a more linear power range (no peaks and troughs) the commodore tends to have good initial torque then dies off then comes back again, but mine needs tuning.
A manual 3.5 would need a fire extinguisher for the front tyres, I have only driven auto 3.0 TF's and they did not seem to lack power either, I have not yet driven a manual 3.0, but need a car for towing a trailer so I will probably have to go for a RWD Ford or Holden. Several people have mentioned they prefer the smoother more revier 3.0 6G72 over the torquey 3.5 6G74.

i read something a while ago that performance wise a 3l manual and a 3.5l auto were extremely close. The quicker car would be the better driver i think

i know for a fact a 3L TE manual with exhaust and extracots is only a fraction ( very very small fraction) slower than mine a TH manual with exhaust

Well I went from a TF 3.0lt manual to a TL 3.5 auto and I have to say the performance is compairable, but the fetures in the car make the latter a FAR better car.

I have not yet driven a manual 3.0, but need a car for towing a trailer so I will probably have to go for a RWD Ford or Holden

dude, a 3.5L magna auto will pull the piss of nearly any weight you could fit in the trailer without the trailer distorting

we (me n dad) towed a safe that weight in a 2.2 tonne from sydney to the central coast with the magna and it didnt skip a beat on a normal trailer (rectangle not box)

ull have no probs towin gear.

and personally i would go for the TH simply cuz of the tourqe and yes, 50nm is very noticable. imagine a car with 50 nm of tourqe now give it another 50, youll be able to do a hell of alot more.....

hey,
from what i've been reading they are both very similar performance wise.
I have a TE manual and love the control you get from having a manual.
(perviously owned 4 large 6cly autos and hated them all, (none of them being a magna though, 2 x ford, 2 x holden)).

what i gues it would really come down to then is this, would you perfer to be driving an auto or manual????

the 7Kw or whatever the diff is ain't much to make up with a few cheap mods (zost and air)

just get a car that suits your drive type and that you can afford.

What about comparing TE TF Manuals to TJ AWD sport??? Do you think the TE TF will have a chance from a standstill drag? The AWD sport is hell quick off the line!

I looked at a TH advance and a TF advance in a car yard and really could not see any difference, the interiors looked the same as well as the features, both had the same trip computer\speed alert thing (little blue screen) and other than different cloth patterns could not spot the difference, the TH had the bigger engine and different grille they were both wagons, correct me if I'm wrong because other than what I've mentioned they looked identical to me.


Not exactly, the TF Advance does not have power windows or a trip computer (it does have a speed alert) lol

I'm a bit hungry for power at the moment, i've had my 3.5 manual for 4 months now and I think I've hit the limits of the car unfortunately, and that is after I came from a 4 cyl car. I was hoping this wouldn't happen for another year so that I won't have to mod the engine, looks like I'm wrong....

I think I might swap my mufflers with the other car, except the bastards welded the bolt-on muffer :rant:

Better watch out, my parents keep hearing how Commodore rear windows pop out from towing heavy caravans when they're not reinforced. They tow their van with their 4cyl TP Magna. Goes fine everywhere they've needed to go so far including several range crossings.
Hope they got good brake pads! :shock:

Stock (dealer fitted) pads on our 'late' TN wagon (owned since new) absolutely FADED with just loaded 4 biggish guys & 4 golf bags after doing 3rd 80-0km/h stop within 5 mins on slight decline.

Have changed to big-name brands since then... but never really tried that 4+4 combo again.

If it was a quarter mile run, after the launch the TJ will see nothing but tail lights.

Did you mean a TJ auto AWD or a manual one, I'd imagine the TF manual would drag off a 3.5 auto.

Did you mean a TJ auto AWD or a manual one, I'd imagine the TF manual would drag off a 3.5 auto.
Manual WTF :shock:

I kinda wished I bought a manual but I dont either... Living in Sydney, driving on the Motorways in peak hour drives ya fricken nuts :rant: I would have bought a TH sports manual if I could, I saw some manuals, mostly executives but I wanted an Advance with the options. So I got an auto. I just got my car serviced and it goes 100000000000 times better.... As with another persons comment there is linear power from go to whoa and I like the conveinence of auto... Are manuals way better off teh mark than an auto? I can never get a good takje off even in dry coz the front starts sqeueeling.....

Manual WTF :shock:

15.8 secs is a good time, philsTH is your 3.5 auto TH stock other than the muffler?

My 3.0 TF manual does a 15.15 quarter. Torque isnt a problem though. It towed a mates VH SL/E from Melbourne to Geelong on a tandem trailer and did it surprisingly easy! :shock:

It was at Calder park a few years ago now. I have the slips somewhere, just got to find them. It has only had the rear muffler done and i was running it on optimax at the time.

It ran a 15.15 at 88 mph from memory

I kinda wished I bought a manual but I dont either... Living in Sydney, driving on the Motorways in peak hour drives ya fricken nuts :rant: I would have bought a TH sports manual if I could, I saw some manuals, mostly executives but I wanted an Advance with the options. So I got an auto. I just got my car serviced and it goes 100000000000 times better.... As with another persons comment there is linear power from go to whoa and I like the conveinence of auto... Are manuals way better off teh mark than an auto? I can never get a good takje off even in dry coz the front starts sqeueeling.....

Manuals are around 1/2 sec quicker, if their not the guy behind the wheel doesn't know what he is doing. A 3lt manual and a 3.5 lt auto would have similar results but a 3.5 manual will kill both

It ran a 15.15 at 88 mph from memory

15.15 and what was the 3rd decimal place? :P

well , i have dragged several 3.5L's from this forum......on private roads, and even from a rolling start i have pulled past 3.5L auto's

dragged akko's old car(3.5LM) on the freeway, it wasn't in front.

so yeah, not much difference performance wise,

get the car which is cheaper, lower kays, or in better condition,

cuz you can mod both to as fast as u want(pocket depth pending).

oh yeah, if u r thinking big time power, dont get an auto


later :cool:

Or just buy my 3.5 lt Manual for 17,000

15.15 and what was the 3rd decimal place? :P
Nitpicking a little arent we? lol I just think its great that pretty much any one of us can pull up next to a stock 5.0 litre commodore and cane them!!! :boohoo:

Nitpicking a little arent we? lol I just think its great that pretty much any one of us can pull up next to a stock 5.0 litre commodore and cane them!!! :boohoo:

stock manual 5L would be close. there is one a see lots at the drags. manual, exhaust, extractors. 14.7 i think is his best. I raced him and he was slightly pulling away the whole time :cry:

stock manual 5L would be close. there is one a see lots at the drags. manual, exhaust, extractors. 14.7 i think is his best. I raced him and he was slightly pulling away the whole time :cry:
It,s still not a bad effort a 3 litre V6 sitting on the arse of a 5 litre V8 though, is it? Especially when a Magna is around the same weight :D

Manual WTF :shock:
Just looked at your homepage, lovely car mate, very clean. happy and safe driving buddy, regards Martin (ilike3.5)

stock manual 5L would be close. there is one a see lots at the drags. manual, exhaust, extractors. 14.7 i think is his best. I raced him and he was slightly pulling away the whole time :cry:

Tim-E don't feel bad about losing to a manual 5L it sounded pretty close and as someone else said the fact that these 3rd gen V6 magnas (especially the manual 3.0 or 3.5) can give a manual 5L V8 a good street fight is something to be proud of, my fat VX V6 commodore is at times so sluggish off the line I'm scared of being booked for loitering
:D 15.1 secs is an excellent time Tim-E well done, all you have is a different muffler and panel filter, I bet the 5L had more mods than you to get 14.7.