Hay all, just wandering what engine swaps are available for 3rd gen. magnas. I currently have a 3L TE oil slick i bought for the right price and i have some $$$ left over. I heard that a 3L TT AWD from a Diamante in Japan will go with a bit of encouragement, Engine code? Is there anything else with a real power figure available, Oh rebuilding the stocko is unlikely because it has 300ks and is an auto. Cheers all.

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Greetings All.

Ok dude, do yourself a favor. Go to the nearest weakers, buy a TJ 3.5 with either a manual or tip-tronic (if you like the auto), (Make sure you have the correct computer). Get someone to rebuild the engine with ralliart cams (or RPW ones/more aggessive the better), a ported and polished head, high compression pistons & piston rings from RPW and see if they can bore it out to 3.6 or 3.7L.

Transfer the lot into ya car...buy some pacemakers, and a redback 2.5" exhaust...
you should have around a EASY 190-210kw with around 310-360nm of torque...maybe more...

Cheers,
--Tonba
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not meaning to repeat myself, myself, but i said REAL power, not 190 or-so kw but something like 206kw(HA HA) jap spec and at least one turbo (maybe two) POTENIAL! Potenial for 300kw+. Turbo=Cheap horsepower. Big turbo=Big horsepower. AWD=Big traction HA HA HA. Cheers

not meaning to repeat myself, myself, but i said REAL power, not 190 or-so kw but something like 206kw(HA HA) jap spec and at least one turbo (maybe two) POTENIAL! Potenial for 300kw+. Turbo=Cheap horsepower. Big turbo=Big horsepower. AWD=Big traction HA HA HA. Cheers
I'm not exactly sure if its possible but you could transer the AWD from a new magna to a TE, might need a fair bit of mods though and a new ecu to work properly, which would probably make it cheaper to just buy and AWD magna and whack a turbo on it.

not meaning to repeat myself, myself, but i said REAL power, not 190 or-so kw but something like 206kw(HA HA) jap spec and at least one turbo (maybe two) POTENIAL! Potenial for 300kw+. Turbo=Cheap horsepower. Big turbo=Big horsepower. AWD=Big traction HA HA HA. Cheers

you mean potential yeah? if you think turbo'ing your magna is cheap horse power i'd like to see how much you make a year dude, AWD for a non AWD magna is also impossible unless your gonna spend fifty grand on it i hear, i remember somewhere booya thinking about it but you gotta modify your floorpan and all this trash and the TJ AWD doesn't just bolt into the earlier models cause of a whole arse load of reasons and really a TT AWD magna that started out as a FWD NA magna, your better off buying a house with that cash lol but if you wanna spend it i guess anything is possible yeah?

So if you wanted AWD you'd have to start off with a minimum of a TJ (leeching the AWD parts off a wrecked AWD), also remember the AWD's didnt come in manual because something about the clearances with the manual boxes(?) or some other reason that makes manual conversions out of the question too (maybe an evo box or something) and the TT engine you'd be using would either be from a VR4 Galant, the newer gens which is a 2.5L v6 (2.5 might make you sneer but those VR4's give GTR's a real chase, plus its an awd engine so you could most probably use the gearbox and drive shafts (if they fit) which would handle more horses then the AWD magna i'd imagine) or the 3L V6's from the '3000GT' but ive also heard these are only a 'bolt in' option for the 2nd gen V6 cars, but hey mounts are easy peasy if you're actually going to do a custom AWD, so if your cashed up - rad :cool:

i'd say either the 3000GT's 3LTT or the VR4's 2.5TT would get 300 with enough cash also same goes for TT'ing your magna engine too.. i'm sure a lot of guys with more knowledge of the 3rd gens and AWD's will go into more detail and/or correct me on what i said, just though i'd say this anyway, leaves people with more to comment on i guess :D

Even the the TJ FWD wont convert to an AWD (if at all) without extensive mods.

Some ifo out of an article on the AWD.

The car was developed locally by Mitsubishi’s engineers. They took a luxury Japanese AWD Diamante, added some vital elements from the famed Lancer Evolution, and mated it to the local Magna to produce a car that is ideally suited to Australian conditions. The silky Australian-made 3.5 litre V6 engine and local suspension, the Japanese AWD system and elements of the floor pan, came together with the balance of the Australian mechanicals and body to produce an Australian first – a locally produced large AWD sedan.

Didnt TButcher modify to an AWD? Altho if i remember there were plenty of headaches.

However if your lookin for "REAL" power, buy a rexy or 200sx or something similar....simple...

Didnt TButcher modify to an AWD? Altho if i remember there were plenty of headaches.

I think you'll find it's more Diamante than Magna. :cool:

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Greetings All.


not meaning to repeat myself, myself, but i said REAL power, not 190 or-so kw but something like 206kw(HA HA) jap spec and at least one turbo (maybe two) POTENIAL! Potenial for 300kw+. Turbo=Cheap horsepower. Big turbo=Big horsepower. AWD=Big traction HA HA HA. Cheers
Ok, If you think that a turbo is CHEAP horse power...forget about it! Id say $10,000 min...then you have to buy a new engine and trasmission, rebuild them, then you have to get custom manafolds, turbo, intercooler, piping, custom fuel system, performance brakes (if you EVER want to pass for a engineering cert.) and braided oil, water and brake lines!!

I gave you the cheaper option...id say 190kw MIN...so dont blow me up for it...expect WAY more then that...No AWD donk will fit in a FWD...The 3000GT donk will NOT fit into a 3rd gen engine bay...

Good Luck,
--Tonba
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tonba, tbutcher has fitted an awd drivetrain to his fwd ... so that can be done

also, when you turbo a car, you dont have to rebuild the transmission and engine, let alone buy a new engine and rebuild it ? :nuts:

also, rpw quotes around 8000 for their single turbo kit, and i think it is about 12000 or something for their twin-turbo kit......which buy the way, they have already developed manifolds for a turbo on a magna.... so ya dont need one off custom manifolds


im sure if you went some jap wreckers somewhere bought second hand turbo, intercooler
fuel pump, awd brakes(magna wreckers) etc. you could get the job done cheaper

also the thing about engine conversions is that they are impossible until someone does one.... aka killbilly and his 2nd gen, that street machine RWD magna with a v8 (although that is a bit extreme),

anyways im just informing you that turboing a magna isnt a humungous expense(10k will do it ....easily), and that i wanna see more turbo magna's !!!

later :cool:

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Greetings All.

Im sorry, I take back my statement about AWD motors and being able to fit...Yes they will fit, but you would have to get a new transmission...


tbutcher has fitted an awd drivetrain to his fwd ... so that can be doneI am lead to believe he rebuild a imported japanese diamente, which came with a AWD drive chain...


also, when you turbo a car, you dont have to rebuild the transmission and engine, let alone buy a new engine and rebuild it ?Note he said he had 300,000km clocked up...he's engine and transmission are DEFINATLY going to need a freshen up if he is going boosting...


im sure if you went some jap wreckers somewhere bought second hand turbo, intercooler
fuel pump, awd brakes(magna wreckers) etc. you could get the job done cheaper

also the thing about engine conversions is that they are impossible until someone does one.... aka killbilly and his 2nd gen, that street machine RWD magna with a v8 (although that is a bit extreme),

anyways im just informing you that turboing a magna isnt a humungous expense(10k will do it ....easily), and that i wanna see more turbo magna's !!! Im sure he could get it cheaper, but the fact remains is that he has an auto, and has clocked up 300,000Kms...the auto and donk will die if he boosts it in the state that it is...:doubt:

I also would LOVE to see some more magnas with turbos, but if you dont do it properly, like BOoya for example...(he is constantly rebuilding his donk), its just going to end up costing A LOT more...and that I dont want to see... Another thing that may become expensive is the computer, and tuning, which is what you'll need...that will cost $$$...

Cheers,
--Tonba
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EMS wouldn't tip over the 2K mark unless you wanna go psychotic but i think most decent EMS are around the 1500 mark, then theres the install, and of course a couple hours of dyno time at what? over $100 an hour isnt it?

Haydn (Tbutcher) imported 2 half cuts, a front and rear cut of a diamante, which did of course come with AWD, cd player, elec seats and that satelite positioning but hey, wheres the microwave and spa? the diamantes parts were then thrown into a TJ. Now thats what haydn told me himself, however when i imagine a halfcut i think of literally half a car and his central drive shaft would be in two.. how bout we all get haydn to have a chat in here about how it was done? if the 3000GT engine wont fit then you have the twin turbo engine from the galant VR4 which would probably make more horses then the magna donk since its already turbo so just throw half the cash on it (so say 5 grand instead of 10 for the magnas engine) and it'd be killer.

You say RPW's turbo kits are 10 grand, thats installed yes? also you may notice in here quite a few people have problems with RPW re: component construction and quality (ive seen a throttle body that was sent to a member where i am and it was horrible, the butterfly didnt even close properly) and since that item was mailed by someone working fpr RPW you'd think they'd check it (quality wise etc) before sending it off and potentially losing a lot more clients, so what i'd say about what tonba's comments is dont just think everything that comes out of RPW's rear end is gold, and a lot more people get custom jobs done, which means you can get better prices, different turbos that will perform the way you want etc (other people have had problems with CAI kits and cam pulleys which were "useless" and wouldn't even get refunded!!) So you can either get RPW's kit or you can make your own set up so the car performs the way you drive.

Don't even bring up Mcbeths magna because i doubt this dude has (from what ive heard it cost) just under 200K to build his car..

Tbutcher used a FWD TJ shell, and bolted in the running gear from an AWD diamante (imported as parts).

His website explains it all! :)

I heard that a 3L TT AWD from a Diamante in Japan will go with a bit of encouragement, Engine code? Is there anything else with a real power figure available, Oh rebuilding the stocko is unlikely because it has 300ks and is an auto. Cheers all. 3lTT ??? If this is the GTO motor then NO it is WestEast and not EastWest!
Galant VR4 1996+ with a 6A13tt 2.5 ltr is the one you are thinking of...
This is what I have and what Im putting into my Diamate.
As I say latter Im not sure if it will bolt up to your Gearbox... other than that ther is no problem with the 4WD motor/Gearbox setup if you want ot stick it in a FWD setup...



tbutcher has fitted an awd drivetrain to his fwd ... so that can be done

...awd brakes(magna wreckers) etc...... It is not a straight fit... there was ALOT of stuffing around.. Remeber I had the luxuary of having a complete car to get stuff from etc...

I changed my brakes as well.. (Brembo EVO VI ones) this si a MUST if you are thinking of turbo charging.. (well maybe not Brembos... but definitely bigger brakes!!!!!!)



I am lead to believe he rebuild a imported japanese diamente, which came with a AWD drive chain... Sort of. Yes it was 4WD.




Haydn (Tbutcher) imported 2 half cuts, a front and rear cut of a diamante, which did of course come with AWD, cd player, elec seats and that satelite positioning but hey, wheres the microwave and spa? the diamantes parts were then thrown into a TJ. Now thats what haydn told me himself, however when i imagine a halfcut i think of literally half a car and his central drive shaft would be in two.. how bout we all get haydn to have a chat in here about how it was done? if the 3000GT engine wont fit then you have the twin turbo engine from the galant VR4 which would probably make more horses then the magna donk since its already turbo so just throw half the cash on it (so say 5 grand instead of 10 for the magnas engine) and it'd be killer. Ok it was a full body.. it was stripped down ..so it didnt have to be cut.

I also got a Galant VR4 TwinTurbo halfcut 5speed Semi auto 4WD...
I have JUST pulled it out of the cut on the weekend.. and Im in the middle of sorting out the Diamante to put it in. This will give me a 4WD TT motor ..
As said it is only a 2.5l but is stock 206(280) / 5500 KW(HP) , 363(37.0) / 4000 Largest torque N m (kg m) /rpm
At the momnet it is staying stock.. except for After Market computer.
The half cuts are around $3500 Motor / Gearbox / computer etc.
I do not know for sure if that motor will bolt onto your FWD GearBox... My motor is a
6A13TT so it is from a different family (not 6G)...this could mean that there are small differences in dowel pin sizes or bolt patterns etc....
DO NOT TRY AND AWD your car... it AINT WORTH IT!!!!!!! trust me :(
Given the fact that A) if you buy an AWD you are stuck with an Auto.. B) the doner cars are still WAY to much C)No gurantee that the motor will bolt to your AWD box....

IMHO you are better off getting A) buying a Skyline if you want large power for little bucks ($12000 for a complete imported car with everything) B)building your own single turbo kit...
Putting in some forged pistons and better conronds etc.. porting the head and piggy back ecu.



Tbutcher used a FWD TJ shell, and bolted in the running gear from an AWD diamante (imported as parts). His website explains it all! :) It was a TH.. And there was a lot more to it than that .. I just dont want to let on how much it really cost me to do it.. cause it was a bit....... leave it at that.

Haydn

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...like BOoya for example...(he is constantly rebuilding his donk), its just going to end up costing A LOT more...and that I dont want to see... Another thing that may become expensive is the computer, and tuning, which is what you'll need...that will cost $$$...

Cheers,
--Tonba
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Tonba mate - you make it sound like a bad thing!!!.. my engine gets overhaulled about every 5,000km for a number of reasons;
-we try different products and parts to see which works best (have tried 3 types of pistons, 2 cranks, 2 types of cams, 3 intake manifold designs and head design + flow testing)
-the first real rebuild was because of a supplier already mention'd, they have no idea how to quality check parts - cost me in a number of ways - never installed, because i knew when i opened the box they wont work - sent back and STILL waiting for a refund. sold the SH IT on ebay for a fraction of the price they cost me. ****ing dodgy.
-and for the people on this forum - they ask questions, i can speak from experience. some people swear by one company mention'd - i give other people options. having used this company also, and NEVER had a good run with them, i now know who, what where and how much alternitive's cost.

With the power of all the info i have learnt over the past year or so playing with BOTh N/A + Turbo small time and turbo BIG time, i hope to set up a "booya in a box" by the end of this year, which will be a guarantee'd to work. "this goes with that at susans" :D

BOoya

whats diff about the AWD box and the FWD box? would it be hard to mod an fwd box (manual of course) to fit? does the AWD dimante have a manual box?

whats diff about the AWD box and the FWD box? would it be hard to mod an fwd box (manual of course) to fit? does the AWD dimante have a manual box?
Other then maybe the bolt patter to the motor.. ther is heaps of differneces..
for a start the 4WDc box has three output shafts to drive the dogbox (transfercase)
then there is the actual dog box.. it bolts on with 6x 17mm bolts.. there the CVs are differnet lengths (due to the fact that the dogbox is in the middle of it..)
The CVs are also differnt in their splin I think.
There is the drive shaft as well.. then the tail shaft and diff assembly.
Two coupeling points to bolt the tail shaft to body... and more.
So no you cannot mod a FWD Box to make it 4WD.
No 3rd Gen Dimantes were ever made Manual...none in USA or Japan.

Haydn

Righto,

Get ready to attack the nOOb!!

The missus has a 97 Verada, and i love caning the arse of it, love the v6 motor and the sound is pretty horn from a stock sytem!!!

Now, i have a 95 Prelude....

see where im going with this?

Anyone done/seen/heard of a conversion like this? I'd love to try it but I also am a sane fellow, and would shoo the idea if the cost was ridiculous! No point building a fast car if i can by one with the money!

The missus has a 97 Verada, and i love caning the arse of it, love the v6 motor and the sound is pretty horn from a stock sytem!!!
Now, i have a 95 Prelude....
see where im going with this?
Anyone done/seen/heard of a conversion like this? I'd love to try it but I also am a sane fellow, and would shoo the idea if the cost was ridiculous! No point building a fast car if i can by one with the money! So you want to try and put the Prelude motor/box in your Verada?
Anything is possible.... but it could be costly..
First up is the Preludes motor on the drivers side? If not than Forget about it!
If it is then you will also need to find out the tracking of the car (distance between front wheels.) you would either have to get custom CVs made or change teh hubs and front suspension of the Verada to suit the Hondas...
I guess the Honda is a manual elese Why would you bother...
You there for would be better off trying to get the peddles and shifter out of a Magna and modify the ends to suit the Honda box....
You could also maybe get a modification plate to mate your Honda motor to a Magna Manual box to convert to.
Honestly I think that there is better ways to spend your money.
but if you want to ... go for it.

Haydn

nah mate the other way round!!! :D

The honda V6 is only 2.7 or if i had mega dollars i could try and find a c30 from an NSX!

The Mitsu V6 is 3.5 and 147kw (dunno if thats right) so with the right bits could realistically push the 200kw mark easily (Ralliart/RPW cams, extractors, blah blah)

I would of thought the major isssue would be the integration of systems, being a hybrid and all, but dont most of the aftermarket computers sort that jazz out?

Its all pie in the sky but you never know, I may get bored and when the missus is out get my air chisel out.......

Cheers fellas for the input!


I should just sell the focker and get an s2000 and be done with it! lol

ok, you have to think about what tbutcher sed, is the motor in the honda on the drivers side? if it is then you could possibly do it, youd have to check clearences and stuff, would need an engineers cert, and possibly quite alot of other work, like suspension, brakes and alot of clever wiring and a new EMS. if the 6G74 motor (3.5L) weighed more than the preludes motor then you would have to get alot of the suspension and brakes work done but if it was lighter you would have a good chance of the engineer saying "thats fine" and signing it off as to be road worthry

i think theres the rub!

The motor on the lude is predominately on the Passenger side, with the gearbox on the driverside!!!

F@cksocks to it!!!

heres the solution i thought of....

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mazandmark/prelada.jpg

Now, how about a Lexus V8, mid mounted in the rear.........