hi again, found this on rpw, an manifold insulator block (http://www.rpw.com.au/Products/Intake%20Systems/insulator%20blocks.htm), lots of questions :)

i saw that ReallyArt has installed one in their TH, would the kit fit a TL? has anyone installed on of these in a TL?
would a total (mechanical) newbie be able to install it? any special tools required?
we've only had the car for two weeks, can i really stuff this up big time if i do it wrong?
is it worth it?

appaently is quite worth it. keeps things alot cooler apparently. yes itll fit a TJ as it is the same engine. rpw's are quite expensive thou, and wont be available till february

Trav

Wow, someting I've been saying is backed up by RPW. My god, does that mean I'm gone too?
Does a spacer on the intake manifold do that much but????

The insulator block is fairly easy to fit. It took me just over two hours but could be a bit fiddly if your not use to working in engine bays. I think the TL setup is identical to the TJ but don't quote me on that.

How effective is it? It definately works and would be even more effective if there was an insulator block to fit between the throttle body and inlet manifold as the throttle body has coolant circulating through it and therefore eventually heat is conducted from the throttle body to the intake manifold.

A lot of benefit is said to come from CAIs but if you then feed that cool air into a hot manifold the benefit is reduced. If you can keep the manifold cool, then you get maximum benefit fron your CAI.


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What are these "insulator blocks" made from. $200+ seems way too rich for any gasket.

Lets make a template of the replacement plenum gasket ($10) and cut our own. I bet RPW just import some 3000GT bits then resell them accross the pacific to the Diamante guys and gals.

Find a safe and workable material, heat retardant/ non conductive upto 800deg celcius and lets get to work. Any material science or engineering graduates/students out there?

What are these "insulator blocks" made from. $200+ seems way too rich for any gasket.

Lets make a template of the replacement plenum gasket ($10) and cut our own. I bet RPW just import some 3000GT bits then resell them accross the pacific to the Diamante guys and gals.

Find a safe and workable material, heat retardant/ non conductive upto 800deg celcius and lets get to work. Any material science or engineering graduates/students out there?

Yep, it's possible. As you say, find a suitable material and have access to a computer controlled router and they'd probably cost $5 each to make.

$200 isn't cheap but then again I haven't come across a performance mod that is :cry:


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would any of these (http://www.cof.com.au/ThermalIns.shtml) materials be any good as a replacement?

Anything that's tough and very resistant to heat would do the job

Is that the Big Block or Little Block ?

would any of these (http://www.cof.com.au/ThermalIns.shtml) materials be any good as a replacement?

I'll check it out Tuesday. Looks promising at first glance. I also know a guy with CAD skills and a router.... :dancin:

I'll post knews asap!

Sound interesting. I suppose material availability would be a factor, if not just to keep the cost down. I read that RPW have used a high temp resin type, wouldn't think something simmilarwould be too hard to find.
Anyway, are you planning on doing a TB gasket block as well?

these things appear to be called ThermoBlok in the US and are made by outlaw engineering (http://www.outlawengineering.com/index.html). they come as a kit of manifold and throttle body gasket replacements and appear to be the same thing.

i asked them if they have a kit for the 6G74 and this was their response "We have been doing some work with your fellow Magna owners, and I believe that our 6G72 kit fits your vehicle. Please see our website for additional details on pricing of this kit. Shipping costs to Australia are $16.00US for US Postal Global Priority (4-6 day) delivery."

can anyone confirm that the gaskets are identical on the 6G72 and 6G74 engines? cause these ones (http://www.outlawengineering.com/mitsu6g72frame.html) don't look like the ones rpw are selling?

i was pretty sure the 6g72 and the 6g74 were the same blocks

not unless they are dohc gaskets

ok let me get this straight its reduces intake manifold temps by 50 degrees, according to the test done by RPW. and it only costs 99 bux. if those facts are right then i think its worth it. also this kit covers all three site of the intake manifold right? [two heads and the top]. am i missing anything here? ? the site you gave actually lclaims performance gains!

as far as the block i think its the same block as the 3kgt. i think turbo ones are a little bit different. their ports are rectagular shape.

GOOD FINE MAN!

don't forget that's american bucks and not aussie dollars so it'll be a little bit more.

can anyone confirm that the gaskets are identical on the 6G72 and 6G74 engines? cause these ones don't look like the ones rpw are selling?

Those pics from the US site don't look right, they don't match the 'those who cannot be mentioned :bowrofl:' ones..... They look more like a straight 6 design than a V6 design....

I wouldn't think SOHC/DOHC would matter, the manifolds may be different but the mountings should be the same....

HELP! :shock:

don't forget that's american bucks and not aussie dollars so it'll be a little bit more.

i am in the US.

on thats the top part of the intake manifold.....between the upper plenum and the head.

I've used Silicon from Clark rubber and cut a gasket out of it, very very cheap, I made about 3 silicon gaskets for about $10 of silicon material. It was thin and it was flexible and compressible.

It helps with the ductive heat transfers a lot, but it doesn't help if your whole engine bay is hot, then heat will be convected + radiated into the plenum, but it will still be lower temp. Having said this, you will find that your coolant will be a tad hotter than before and that everything else in the block will be a tad hotter than before as you've just insolated a heat sink from the heat source now.

I agree with the idea... the cost on the other hand... hmm go figure.

ok i should have realised before but didn't really look at the other items on their web site. it looks like they use a generic image for all the kits so i've emailed and asked if they have a pic of the actual kit for the 6G72.

i suppose it is expensive but then how much is a CAI compared to this?

these also don't look like you've modded your car, whereas a CAI is blatantly obvious.

Good man Rhom.....

http://www.highspeedperf.com/Pages/Porting&engine/porting&engine.htm

definitely the same manifold.

looks like it, the pic from outlaw engineering came back the same as the one on the web. i downloaded the TL workshop manual and it shows the intake manifold plenum gasket (see i know what it's called now :) ) and throttle body gasket both looking the same as whats in the pics of the outlaw kits.

you probably already know this stuff, but some might not so, in really baby terms (ones that i can understand);


the intake manifold plenum is that big chunk of metal that looks like 6 pipes melted together when you open the bonnet.
under that is the intake manifold plenum gasket (which the outlaw kit replaces - 1 x 6 holes).
under that is the actual intake manifold itself, which appears to just split those 6 incoming air pipes into 3 per side.
under that (slightly to each side actually) are the intake manifold gaskets (which the RPW kit potentially replaces [needs to be verified]- 2 x 3 holes)
under that is the engine block (which gets really really hot)


after looking at the manual i'm not touching them, we've only had the car 3 weeks and i think i can seriously stuff this up if i forget something or do it wrong, i might wait until i can get someone else to do it.

i can see why you can't tell they're installed, they're so far down and hidden you'd never even notice them at all.

you got it sit

well they are not that hard to replace...its just time consuming thats all. but if you do
it once that the second time around is a piece of cake.

i was wondering why that outlaw engineering site doesnt hhave the gaskets that go on
top of the heads. they should have those as well. where can we get those from, other
than RPW??

i asked outlaw and they said "Due to the v-shaped geometry of the cylinder head/intake runner interface, it is not possible to place spacers in that location."

so i'm thinking the RPW ones are for different engines cause they're not going to fit in there.

The RPW gaskets look like they're made from the same material as the Outlaw ones.

It fits between the upper inlet manifold (plennum) and the lower inlet manifold. The lower manifold pipes are so short that the air passes through them quickly and therefore don't significantly heat the air. The air in the plennum on the other hand definately has a chance to heat up as it's in there longer.

The theory is that a 2.7 degree celcius (5 Farenheit) drop in air temp gives you a 1% increase in power, therefore a 27 degree celcius drop would theoretically give you 10% more power (equates to 18kw in a Ralliart Magna). Now, if this is true $200 seems pretty good value in the scheme of things.

I'm going out to get one of those laser thermometers right now from electric dicks and I'll let you all know if the therory works in practise. :D

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Just measured the temp difference between the upper and lower manifold ie either side of the insulator block. Upper 55 degrees C. lower 85 degrees C. Outside air temp is 33 C.

By the way, the dash was 70 :shock: !!


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Hope you're not expecting a 10% gain in power at the wheels :D

i asked outlaw and they said "Due to the v-shaped geometry of the cylinder head/intake runner interface, it is not possible to place spacers in that location."

so i'm thinking the RPW ones are for different engines cause they're not going to fit in there.

This was one thing I was thinking of. Depending how thick they are will vary the position of the part your placing them under.
Cant see too much of a prob with one behind the T/B and the upper plenum but between the 'V' at the heads, it would have to be thin for them to fit thus reducing the effect of temp drop.

Hope you're not expecting a 10% gain in power at the wheels :D

Don't be silly. For that I'd have to use it in conjunction with a fuel polarizer :bowrofl:

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Don't be silly. For that I'd have to use it in conjunction with a fuel polarizer :bowrofl:
And an E-Ram coupled with a Fuelstar device. :P

God damn, that's 20% gain! wonder if you'll feel it.

God damn, that's 20% gain! wonder if you'll feel it.


well thats at the crank so it'll be like 15% drivetrain loss so i dont think u'll feel it.

I've used Silicon from Clark rubber and cut a gasket out of it, very very cheap, I made about 3 silicon gaskets for about $10 of silicon material. It was thin and it was flexible and compressible.

It helps with the ductive heat transfers a lot, but it doesn't help if your whole engine bay is hot, then heat will be convected + radiated into the plenum, but it will still be lower temp. Having said this, you will find that your coolant will be a tad hotter than before and that everything else in the block will be a tad hotter than before as you've just insolated a heat sink from the heat source now.

I agree with the idea... the cost on the other hand... hmm go figure.

The speedway guys started using silicone and gasket gel years and years ago. Unfortunately when the car ingests a piece of it you can start shopping for a new engine. Only the foolish or rich persisted with silicone.....

I've taken some more temp readings with the nifty little infra red thermometer that I got from Dick Smiths and it's pretty interesting. The thermometer has a laser pointer on it so you just point it at what you want to take a reading of from any distance.

Anyway, as I said earlier, the insulator block keeps the manifold 30 degrees C cooler than the lower manifold. Where the throttle body attaches to the manifold, it's about 65 degrees as there is no insulator block between them so fitting one there would also be beneficial.

The heads, which are only about 100mm below the manifold, are about 100 degrees and the manifold is 55 degrees so it's surprising how little radiant heat from the heads heats the manifold.


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And an E-Ram coupled with a Fuelstar device. :P

:gtfo:
lol

I've taken some more temp readings with the nifty little infra red thermometer that I got from Dick Smiths and it's pretty interesting. The thermometer has a laser pointer on it so you just point it at what you want to take a reading of from any distance.

Anyway, as I said earlier, the insulator block keeps the manifold 30 degrees C cooler than the lower manifold. Where the throttle body attaches to the manifold, it's about 65 degrees as there is no insulator block between them so fitting one there would also be beneficial.

The heads, which are only about 100mm below the manifold, are about 100 degrees and the manifold is 55 degrees so it's surprising how little radiant heat from the heads heats the manifold.


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so just the throttle insulator and the upper plenum insulator should be beneficial??

if i add lower manifold insulator would a help a lot or just a little bit?? [considering u said that very less hit is passed through the head].

so just the throttle insulator and the upper plenum insulator should be beneficial??

if i add lower manifold insulator would a help a lot or just a little bit?? [considering u said that very less hit is passed through the head].

The lower inlet manifold is so short it would make very little difference insulating it. So yeah, just an insulator between the throttle/plennum and plennum/lower inlet manifold will do the trick.


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The lower inlet manifold is so short it would make very little difference insulating it. So yeah, just an insulator between the throttle/plennum and plennum/lower inlet manifold will do the trick.


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cool i think i might order this from the site later on.

I have the Outlaw blocks fitted to mine, bought them direct from them.The manifold spacer was the same as the gasket so fitted up.Only minor problem was the 2 rear bolts for the manifold where too long.The Gallants have a bigger bolt so the one supplied was bigger etc., (I just built up the supplied bolt etc.,).The throttle body did not fit as expected but I used the fluid bypass that came with the kit.I have since sent them one of our throttle body gaskets that's the same as Diamante, so we may get lucky and they may produce the kits to included it.Anyone want a ThermoBlock throttle body spacer to see if it will fit the 3.0L v6 here, not sure if its the old or newer 3.0L(out of the kit I got etc.,)

I have the Outlaw blocks fitted to mine, bought them direct from them.The manifold spacer was the same as the gasket so fitted up.Only minor problem was the 2 rear bolts for the manifold where too long.The Gallants have a bigger bolt so the one supplied was bigger etc., (I just built up the supplied bolt etc.,).The throttle body did not fit as expected but I used the fluid bypass that came with the kit.I have since sent them one of our throttle body gaskets that's the same as Diamante, so we may get lucky and they may produce the kits to included it.Anyone want a ThermoBlock throttle body spacer to see if it will fit the 3.0L v6 here, not sure if its the old or newer 3.0L(out of the kit I got etc.,)

thats good to hear man.....so did they say they are gonna make u the throttle body spacer??

do you think the bolts for the throttle will be too long as well?? so you asked for the galant kit and not the 3KGT kit?

They may make it, but this depends if it fits all 3.5L or 6g74.Their are 6 bolts to hold the split manifold down.The Galant has the a smaller plenum chamber to be able to fit in the car so they have a longer bolt to begin with (this would have been the size I required etc.,)

I spoke to Dave at RPW 2 weeks ago about the Insulator Blocks. Dave told me that the kit he is selling will come with the bolts and the Insulator Block for the Throttle Body?. There not available till early or late Feb though. If you only get the Insulator Block for the manifold $220 is very steep!!!!

this site has some interesting data it was all done on a ford probe but worth a read to help understand how the blocks work.

http://www.performanceprobe.com/index2.php?redirect=http://www.performanceprobe.com/products/ppimti22_1.htm

this site has some interesting data it was all done on a ford probe but worth a read to help understand how the blocks work.

http://www.performanceprobe.com/index2.php?redirect=http://www.performanceprobe.com/products/ppimti22_1.htm

well i read that little article u posted. You only need the throttle body insulator and upperplenum/lower manifold insulator. the lower manifold/heads insulator doesnt really help that much....according to the test. of course this was on a probe so i am not sure
how much of it helps us. so if somebody can make the throttle body spacer for us we
are good to go.

well i read that little article u posted. You only need the throttle body insulator and upperplenum/lower manifold insulator. the lower manifold/heads insulator doesnt really help that much....according to the test. of course this was on a probe so i am not sure
how much of it helps us. so if somebody can make the throttle body spacer for us we
are good to go.


Yep, I agree. The article applies equally to our cars. Temp readings I have taken show that there would be a benefit by fitting a throttle body spacer also. Are phenolic resin sheets available from somewhere?

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Yep, I agree. The article applies equally to our cars. Temp readings I have taken show that there would be a benefit by fitting a throttle body spacer also. Are phenolic resin sheets available from somewhere?

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i dont know where else. but how thick are they suppose to be.

i dont know where else. but how thick are they suppose to be.

A quarter inch (about 7mm).


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Am speaking to Ceramic Oxide Fabricators re making the gaskets. They can cut to template but are unsure if their products will be suitable. I have posted a TB gasket to model and see what they think.

They have sheets varying in thickness starting at the thickness of a sheet of paper :cool:

Lets see where this goes...

Am speaking to Ceramic Oxide Fabricators re making the gaskets. They can cut to template but are unsure if their products will be suitable. I have posted a TB gasket to model and see what they think.

They have sheets varying in thickness starting at the thickness of a sheet of paper :cool:

Lets see where this goes...

That sounds awsome man.
Just looking at doing the T/B gasket atm?

I had a TB gasket lying around so it 'volunteered' for the mission :D

I had a TB gasket lying around so it 'volunteered' for the mission :D

Would be good to get a group buy on this if the price is good. Maybe a plenum to intake manifold gasket could volunteered for this assignment also :D

Hopefully Outlaw Engineering will have the throttle body gasket to go with the manifold insulator block to make the kit complete in the very near future for the 3.5l.
http://www.outlawengineering.com/index.html

So, how many isolator blocks are / will be available and for where? Will they be suitable for the 24v 3.0's?

i'd be interested in this as well...........

I had sent Sean a throttle body gasket for my 3.5l and he is in the process of sending me back one to fit.If all goes well it should fit all the 3.5l Magna's and Diamante's.The Diamantes have the same gasket (MD321166).The 3.0l may already be available, I may have ask before if the 3.0l have a more square sort of gasket. Redav give me your email address and I will scan the 3.0l throttle thermoblock and send it to you as you may know what it looks like?? If everything works out everyone should be able the order a complete kit from Outlaw Engineering.I let everyone know when it's all installed.

good deal...... :D

i think the 3000gt should have the same throttle body as the 3.0L diamante. i looked at their site and the have sebring, cirrus, avenger, stealth and stratus all v6 which have the same 6g72 motor.

edit: by the way these kits come with longer bolts and such right?

Yes they come with the longer bolts, but the only thing we have to be careful of is the 6g72 Galants have 2 longer rear bolts and ours are a bit shorter because our manifolds are flatter.This will be all sorted out before being the kit is ready for the 3.5l.

well they have kits for dohc diamantes - wouldn't they have the same throttle body?

Ours are not DOHC 24v but SOHC 24v.A big difference and a bigger throttle body to boot.

i know they are sohc but i didnt know they have a bigger throttle body.....thanks. well the 3000gt sounds like the better optios.

Edit: by the way is it true about hp gain they claim? what you think? by they i mean outlaw engineering.

I had sent Sean a throttle body gasket for my 3.5l and he is in the process of sending me back one to fit.If all goes well it should fit all the 3.5l Magna's and Diamante's.The Diamantes have the same gasket (MD321166).The 3.0l may already be available, I may have ask before if the 3.0l have a more square sort of gasket. Redav give me your email address and I will scan the 3.0l throttle thermoblock and send it to you as you may know what it looks like?? If everything works out everyone should be able the order a complete kit from Outlaw Engineering.I let everyone know when it's all installed.
Okay, cool. I guess asking Mitsu could clear this up but I thought that the 3.0 and 3.5 throttle bodies were interchangeable therefore probably share the same gasket. I mean, the 6G72 DOHC Mivec engine uses the same gaskets as our SOHC 24v 3.0's here. I'll PM it. Any idea on costs?


Edit: by the way is it true about hp gain they claim? what you think? by they i mean outlaw engineering.
I think the issue is reducing the loss of power when the engine has heated up, not gain power over what it can usually produce.


i think the 3000gt should have the same throttle body as the 3.0L diamante. i looked at their site and the have sebring, cirrus, avenger, stealth and stratus all v6 which have the same 6g72 motor.
Yeah, but there's several different engines there though. I think I've counted 6 different 6G72 engines.

So does this insulator 'replace' the gaskets? or do we put a gasket on either side?

If it does replace the gasket does it need to be sealed with some gasket goo or is it a good enough seal?

Yeah, but there's several different engines there though. I think I've counted 6 different 6G72 engines.


yes I know the 6g72s is in ther following cars:
Acclaim
Caravan
D50 Pickup
Debonair
Daytona
Dynasty
LeBaron
New Yorker
Raider
Ram 50
Ram Van
Spirit
Sprint
Sebring
Shadow
Sundance
Stealth
Avenger
Voyager
Town & Country
3000GT
Galant Sigma
Diamante
Eclipse
Galant
Montero
Montero Sport
Stratus Coupe
Sonata

And i was saying that 3KGT would have a identical throttle body compared
to the Diamante. Ill do a quick search on post back if i find proof.

And i was saying that 3KGT would have a identical throttle body compared
to the Diamante. Ill do a quick search on post back if i find proof.
That would depend on the Diamante. I'd suspect this is the case for the Diamantes similar to our 2nd gens. I reckon our 3rd gens would be different. This is based on our 2nd and 3rd gens being different.

That would depend on the Diamante. I'd suspect this is the case for the Diamantes similar to our 2nd gens. I reckon our 3rd gens would be different. This is based on our 2nd and 3rd gens being different.


i was only talking about the 3L motor. not the 3.5L

i was only talking about the 3L motor. not the 3.5L
So am I :)

Our 2nd gen's and 3rd gens have 3.0l engines. Both are SOHC but one's a 12 valve and the other's a 24v. They don't share the same size throttle body. The DOHC ones you're talking about would be similar in hardware to the 12 valves we have. That's howcome Killbilly easilly dropped on into his 2nd gen car.

So does this insulator 'replace' the gaskets? or do we put a gasket on either side?

If it does replace the gasket does it need to be sealed with some gasket goo or is it a good enough seal?

This is what has been bugging me too, how good is the seal if no gasket is used? Just hadn't got around to asking
Good question dude :D

So am I :)

Our 2nd gen's and 3rd gens have 3.0l engines. Both are SOHC but one's a 12 valve and the other's a 24v. They don't share the same size throttle body. The DOHC ones you're talking about would be similar in hardware to the 12 valves we have. That's howcome Killbilly easilly dropped on into his 2nd gen car.

either i am confused or you are confused. i was talking about the SOHC 3.0L from
3000gt.

So does this insulator 'replace' the gaskets? or do we put a gasket on either side?

If it does replace the gasket does it need to be sealed with some gasket goo or is it a good enough seal?

The original gasket is put on first and the insulator block on top of that. No goo or sealant is required.

And as for power, as Redav said, they don't "make" power they reduce the power drop off due to heat soak. Have you noticed how your car is always punchier first thing in the morning? That's because (amongst other things) the whole intake system is still cool and doesn't heat the inducted air. The air is therefore denser and as we all know that means more oxygen which is a good thing.

So the short version is your car won't produce any more power but neither will the power drop off as much as it does now when the engine heats up. :D


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The original gasket is put on first and the insulator block on top of that. No goo or sealant is required.

And as for power, as Redav said, they don't "make" power they reduce the power drop off due to heat soak. Have you noticed how your car is always punchier first thing in the morning? That's because (amongst other things) the whole intake system is still cool and doesn't heat the inducted air. The air is therefore denser and as we all know that means more oxygen which is a good thing.

So the short version is your car won't produce any more power but neither will the power drop off as much as it does now when the engine heats up. :D


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There would be no point putting a gasket on just one side. It would have to be both sides of the block or none

Hey There,

I have a '93 TR V3000/Magna (6g72?). From what I can see under the bonnet the plenum (the 6 tubes that have melted together) bolt directly to the inlet manifold. I'm guessing this is where the insulator fits. The only problem is that means that the insulator block is one strip with 6 holes not two strips of 3 holes. Have we talked about this setup yet? This has got to be a looooong thread and I may have missed it.

Cheers
Abb0

Im currently speaking with outlaw engineering to hopefully work something out regarding these spacers.

Does anyone have a pic of the 6G72 and 6G74 blocks without the intake manifold on. Nick (Euroaccord) i remember some pics from you a while ago when you were having those cams put in.

Thanks all, keeping fingers crossed :D

Blake.

Guys if you look at the two pictures you will see the our gaskets appear identicle to those of Outlaw Engineerings.

I think we could be on a winner but just waiting to hear back from outlaw to see if they will provide us a cheap test set so I can try one out. Fingers crossed.

Guys if you look at the two pictures you will see the our gaskets appear identicle to those of Outlaw Engineerings.

I think we could be on a winner but just waiting to hear back from outlaw to see if they will provide us a cheap test set so I can try one out. Fingers crossed.

r u comparing the 6g74 to 6g72? if so then i think the 6g74 is a little wider.

either i am confused or you are confused. i was talking about the SOHC 3.0L from 3000gt.
Mayby, maybe not. I don't the SOHC 3.0l engine in the 3000GT will be the same SOHC 3.0l engine in our 3rd gen Magna's.

Do you have a pic? What side is the transmission?

There would be no point putting a gasket on just one side. It would have to be both sides of the block or none

confused me at first as well but it's for the intake manifold plenum gasket, which there's only one of, the 6 pipe thingy at the top, it goes between that and the intake manifold itself.

it's not the two intake manifold gaskets (the three pipe thingies) where it meets the engine block, which are on a narky angle and you can't fit any decent thickness in there because then the manifold won't bolt back on.

sorry for the thingie terminology but i still can't remember what everythings called.

There would be no point putting a gasket on just one side. It would have to be both sides of the block or none


Yeah, your right. If you look at AussieMagnas pic, the insulator block goes on top of the "A" gasket and a new gasket which comes with the kit goes on top of the insulator block.

There is no insulator block provided or required for the "C" gaskets. As rhom said the angle would make them impossible to fit and they'd make bugger all difference anyway.





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Mayby, maybe not. I don't the SOHC 3.0l engine in the 3000GT will be the same SOHC 3.0l engine in our 3rd gen Magna's.

Do you have a pic? What side is the transmission?

Yes i can get ur pics. But leave the 3rd gen Magna out of this I was only talking about
2gen Magnas with the sohc 3l motor. For the 3rd gen we already something in
production as stated by eagleus who has sent his throttle body gasket in. Eagle did u send
your plenum gasket in as well??

But leave the 3rd gen Magna out of this I was only talking about
2gen Magnas with the sohc 3l motor.
Okay, now I understand where you're coming from.

I have already used their kit, ThermoBlok SPACER KIT - Mitsubishi 6G72 2.5L-3.0L V-6.The only thing that the kit needs is the correct throttle body spacer and downsizing of the 2 larger bolts and its ready to go.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=226992

I have already used their kit, ThermoBlok SPACER KIT - Mitsubishi 6G72 2.5L-3.0L V-6.The only thing that the kit needs is the correct throttle body spacer and downsizing of the 2 larger bolts and its ready to go.

So this is the block between the lower and the upper manifold? correct? It fit perfect?

Yes to the fit.

Received the throttle body thermoblock from Outlaw Engineering and have fitted it all up.Everything fits, So those of us who want to try this you may be able to order them direct from them. The only thing is the bolt that attaches the bracket to the throttle body may need to be left off as the throttle body is moved to the right not up and down like the manifold etc.,(Unless you wanted to cut it further)

well this is good to know....i may be ordering this pretty soon from these guys.

eagleaus, sorry i have been trying to follow this thread, you have fitted both insulators? will they fit the 3.0l engine from a TE?

cheers for anyones help

Trav

That's what i am trying to work out.Some people are saying that the 3.0l has the same throttle body as the 3.5l.This all needs to be confirmed!!!.I do have the spacer that came with the kit i got that i can send to someone to see or i could send to a pic of it if you know what it looks like.Outlaw has sent me the spacer for the 3.5l and plus a couple of shorter bolts so they now know whats required for the 3.5l, but the 3.0l???

That's what i am trying to work out.Some people are saying that the 3.0l has the same throttle body as the 3.5l.This all needs to be confirmed!!!.I do have the spacer that came with the kit i got that i can send to someone to see or i could send to a pic of it if you know what it looks like.Outlaw has sent me the spacer for the 3.5l and plus a couple of shorter bolts so they now know whats required for the 3.5l, but the 3.0l???
I plan on trying to get a gasket for the throttle body tomorrow from a dealership.

Hi Redav, how did you go with the throttle body gasket??

I would say that glass filled nylon (the same plastic they use for radiators) is the go, tough strong and good with heat!

Hi Redav, how did you go with the throttle body gasket??
Sorry, man. Weekend was soo flat out I didn't have time to scratch myself. Won't get a chance this weekend either. Will definately have time next Friday though. I'm taking the day off so I can go to our church camp early and have a dyno run :badgrin:

I would say that glass filled nylon (the plastic that they make rediator tanks from) would be a good plastic to use it is strong, tough and good with heat!

It isn't that good with heat have you put your hand on the radiator tank after a drive.... If it was a good insulator it wouldn't be hot to touch after a run.


Paul

Hey, Paul. Welcome back! How's life up there?

Any luck with the gasket, I am keen to see if they are the same or different.

Any luck with the gasket, I am keen to see if they are the same or different.
Yeah, man. I'll post a pic and dimensions later today if I have the time. They said that it's the same for 3.0 and 3.5's. The tech dude also thought that the throttle bodies for the Challenger were probably very similar. Chances are it's essentially the same TB even though it probably has a different part number.

Brother in law has a Challanger and i thought it looked like it was driffient.More square???

Possibly, I do want to physically compare it.

Here we go, sorry about the delay.

I have my TB gasket off atm for the 3.5 so i'll scan it in tonight to compare.

Well, how'd you go?

Also, any developments with Outlaw Engineering?

Well my kit is on the way, so we will wait and see :D

I'll scan the gasket over the weekend too.