Hello all,

Just thought I'd share a new item which has popped up on one of our US based Diamante Owners Group Forum. It has a lot of our folks talking and honestly since you folks in Australia have the most experience with these vehicles (Magna/Verada/Diamante) I'd personally like to get your comments on at least the basic premise of this possible project.

http://www.diamanteowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4854

Have at it, thanks for any of your insight.

u beat me to it ez....l :nuts:

It sounds promising, I just quickly skimmed the thread. I'd be interested if I wasn't so poor! lol

yeah looks interesting . One of the pics are showing the front strut bar looks very diferent to the white line just where the brackets get mounted.

jay04-yeah I was kinda curious as to what other folks would think of this possible project.

sharkie- Are you refering to the pic of the second pic with SOHC (blue)? I think that pic is actually of an Eclipse with the 3.0L V6 that's why it looks different.

killbilly-so poor? Come on now, where there's a will there's a way. This is a very promising thing especially if it could actually be adapted to our platforms. Just think about the $$ we're looking at with a single turbo kit from RPW versus what the estimated costs with this project.

Am I looking at the SC on the passenger side with a drive shaft running from the drivers side. Thats the way it looks to me, in which case I'm not a fan.
Reckon you could come up with a better soloution than that setup.

You must be referring to the set up for DOHC (1st pic). Interesting, in your opinion what do you see as the issue with this set up?

Looks sensational, but I have a couple of queries:

1.Surely you would still need to intercool the hot, compressed air going into the engine. The methanol/water boost cooler seems OK, but... :doubt:

2.Given that the D's have more O2 sensors than the Magnas, this setup may require some adjustments for Oz cars, i.e. the twin-cat headers.

3.Stage 1= $3850+ Headers= $1200 + Boost cooler= $500

=$7,000 AU + shipping

Stage 3 add $2,200

Actually, it's probably comparable to an RPW setup, or Pomejo or Wooduck's outlays.

No local support? Just trying to come up with all the negatives, otherwise......*looks at bank balance: Do I really need a house?* :D

That is true Mulga, not as much the money aspect as much as the support aspect which is a major point with any project. On their website they mention a couple of other options for intercoolers and they address the exact same thing about engine bay temps.

Yeah, I dont think intercoolers are necessary with sc setups but wouldn't hurt. I guess it depends on the compression ratio and how its all setup, plumbing etc...

As far as the drive shaft running from one side of the engine to the other, any rotating mass has the potential to zap power, cause imbalances and really, just looks venerable and in the way. I dont know, just dont look kosher to me.

dont look too bad i rekon,

tempting.....
although will look localy for prices first

damn. Looks easier than setting up a turbo.

And the stage 3 has pistons too.

well we already have volunteers who are willing to send thier cars in to rippmods as test cars.
one with 3l and another with a 3.5l [ez]. we just need a total of 10ppl [5 with the 3.5l and 5
with 3l] to get a kit going.

Kodos, drive belt loss is something that u have to live with if you have a supercharger kit.
pssshwat from the forum can personally vouch for thier kit cause he has seen a eclipse in
person with the kit. Rippmods have been in business for 4 years so that speaks for itself.

I would have but I just done a turbo

yeah there is nothing like a turbo but this just seems easier to setup and cheaper. i
love turbos personally cause of the top end but may have to settle for this.

i duno i really like the look of the Sprintex SC kit for the magna (from perth, which coincidentally is where i live)

$6950 incl GST and installed good for 230kW and 442Nm of torque on an AWD TL VRX (dunno what figures would be like on my 3.0l FWD)

and $8500 for the extra bodykit, full suspension setup, 18" rims, full exhaust with twin outlet plus a few other things


tho havent really seen how the S/C is setup in the Sprintex kit wouldhave preffered abit more power from it too (250+ kW, duno if my auto could handle that lol)


I wouldnt wanna go with the exhaust system from this kit either (the US one) as we have different laws in regards to our exhausts, would be easier to get somone at an exhaust ship to knock one up for us for around same price (minus shipping too)

Def nice to see a diff option out there for magnas/diamantes tho, andi dont think these are comparable to RPW offerings or the way Wooduck or Pomejo have gone about forced induction for their cars, seeming as theres is pretty custom and wooduck has put alot of his own time into it i mean 7g's is cheaper comparable u really arnt getting away with a s/c or t/c for under 8-10g's in aus

i know if i had the 7g's right now i would get the sprintex kit, and add abit more on that for new brakes and some handling mods :)

well we already have volunteers who are willing to send thier cars in to rippmods as test cars.
one with 3l and another with a 3.5l [ez]. we just need a total of 10ppl [5 with the 3.5l and 5
with 3l] to get a kit going.

Kodos, drive belt loss is something that u have to live with if you have a supercharger kit.
pssshwat from the forum can personally vouch for thier kit cause he has seen a eclipse in
person with the kit. Rippmods have been in business for 4 years so that speaks for itself.

Mate I'm not saying its sh*t, just pointing out some points that I think are a bit odd. Yes all sc with take power at the belt. Tourque lost driving the sc made up for and then some by pressurizing intake gasses.
What I'm saying is thats a long shaft and has a higher rotating mass is all. I'd wanna be well balanced and well supported with roller or ball bearings.
I guess I'm still drooling over the sprintex setup, sitting on top of the V. mmmmm sprintex super charger :drool:

Mate I'm not saying its sh*t, just pointing out some points that I think are a bit odd. Yes all sc with take power at the belt. Tourque lost driving the sc made up for and then some by pressurizing intake gasses.
What I'm saying is thats a long shaft and has a higher rotating mass is all. I'd wanna be well balanced and well supported with roller or ball bearings.
I guess I'm still drooling over the sprintex setup, sitting on top of the V. mmmmm sprintex super charger :drool:


:stoopid:

u got any more info on it? i got an article on costs from WA's motoring section from yesterday paper but mainly on costs nothing special. Oooooo ontop of the V is nice :) shuold get a bonnet bulge to make the magna look mean

']:stoopid:

u got any more info on it? i got an article on costs from WA's motoring section from yesterday paper but mainly on costs nothing special. Oooooo ontop of the V is nice :) shuold get a bonnet bulge to make the magna look mean

Just what I saw on that 300kw thread

whats this sprintex kit u speak of? is this the same that RPW is coming out with?

Dont think so. There was a link in the thread 300kw magna not long ago but I cant get the link to work anymore. Here's the pic I saved from the article.

nah a group in perth called AAC have devised an SC kit which just came out last week, the car was a 3.5L AWD TL VRX had alright gains (230 or so kW over the stock 153 and 422 Nm of torque) and is a relativly cheap kit (smidgen under $7000 AUD) from an article i was reading


Hamilton said the company embarked on the project because it believed the AWD Magna had extremely good handling and chassis dynamics but there were people in the market place who felt it could be improved in terms of performance to extract the full benefits of the car.

"This is not about building a firebreathing monster, though we do build them" He said.

so they just wanted a small improvement to power, so if u got this kit probably easier to upgrade it too :)

love to see how this kit is comparable to the SDS kit..

']nah a group in perth called AAC have devised an SC kit which just came out last week, the car was a 3.5L AWD TL VRX had alright gains (230 or so kW over the stock 153 and 422 Nm of torque) and is a relativly cheap kit (smidgen under $7000 AUD) from an article i was reading



so they just wanted a small improvement to power, so if u got this kit probably easier to upgrade it too :)

Mate is that the same one as I posted a pic of above?

Hmm very interesing Wish I had some more money ! :doubt:

Hmmm....after reading the RIPP Forums it looks like there is a few issues like stalling, running rich, rattle at idle, etc.

Some of this could probably be attributed to faulty installations ( DIY kit), but when the solution is to send bits back or drive your car to New York :shock: , it's gonna make things difficult for Oz buyers.

Might have to wait for some bugs to be ironed out. (ala Microsoft :P )

Hmmm....after reading the RIPP Forums it looks like there is a few issues like stalling, running rich, rattle at idle, etc.

Some of this could probably be attributed to faulty installations ( DIY kit), but when the solution is to send bits back or drive your car to New York :shock: , it's gonna make things difficult for Oz buyers.

Might have to wait for some bugs to be ironed out. (ala Microsoft :P )

That will never happen, regarding microsoft I mean lol

Surely you jest. I mean, look at Windows ME. Sure it had a few issues but they will be resolved when......

OK you're right. :D

:bowrofl:

P.s. I love my mac :D

Mulga- I read the same threads in their forum and thought the same thing about the DIY kits and the issues being had. Your are correct about the ability to get any warranty service done and having to ship back and forth if required to be an expense better lived without.

I guess that's why the Diamante owners here are looking for local options, it just happen to be that this SDS option was looked into recently and we honestly see it as a possible way to get much more needed power into these cars.

As far the kits you mentioned earlier I guess our concerns are similar since the Dimante is not per say identical to the Magna. I found that out just in putting in the Pacemaker headers into my Diamante. For example Emmission systems for US specs, espcially California spec Diamantes as mine. I had remove 3 cats 4 O2 sensors and relocating all of them which meant cutting, splicingsoldering all of thier wiring, etc, etc, etc. I BOUGHT THE HEADERS AFTER READING THEY WERE GONNA BE BOLT ON!!!:cry: I found that not to be the case very quickly.

In conclusion, this sharing of opinions is what I wanted to get in this thread. You see previously we had little to no options available for this type of project for our specific platform. Listening to your concerns, recommendations and thoughts gives us an idea of things we need to think about before getting financially committed into this project. I don't wanna get so blinded and focussed by the fact that we can get the extra HP and miss things like what was ointed out here in ref to the set up of the SDS which in realy may be a concern. ESPECIALLY SINCE I VOLUNTEERED MY CAR AS THE 2ND GEN GUINEA PIG:D . (hey a discount is a discount)

Thanks again for all the input.

Edit- DO YOU REALLY LIKE THE MAC?????? I never had a good experience with it, not yet may need to check the new MACs out.

Edit- DO YOU REALLY LIKE THE MAC?????? I never had a good experience with it, not yet may need to check the new MACs out.

Mate, you must be too damn smart then. The reason I love my mac is cause I havent much of a clue when it comes to puters. I find that guys that have trouble using macs seem to overlook the obvious. But at least I'm no slave to big bad Billy :bowrofl:

Good luck with ya S/C, still think you want to mount the unit on the drive belt side but thats just my opinion as you know :D

Mate, you must be too damn smart then. The reason I love my mac is cause I havent much of a clue when it comes to puters. I find that guys that have trouble using macs seem to overlook the obvious. But at least I'm no slave to big bad Billy :bowrofl:

Good luck with ya S/C, still think you want to mount the unit on the drive belt side but thats just my opinion as you know :D

yeah i hope the S/C kits work out too.

In the explanation and theory section, Ross(or Russ?) from RIPP talks about CAI, where he mentions relocating your MAS sensor to the front of the car. His take on it was that if it is too far from the throttle body, by the time the air gets from MAS to t/b the delay is too great, and it causes dodgy readings. :confused:

Whereas with their S/C setup, the MAS is kept in the original spot, giving instantaneous and correct readings. Food for thought.

He also mentions the ECU being adaptive and learning all the time, in some instances re-tuning itself some time after a dyno tune. It's too smart for it's own good!! His reasoning after talking to Mitsu techs was that the car was basically designed to be mod-proof, targeted at the 25-35 market to be smooth and reliable. :rant:

It seems there are constant upgrades to the Black Box ECU. If they devised that system as a downloadable reflashable firmware, it would be more attractive, as you wouldn't need to send it back every time.

Anyway, good luck Ezy, hope it goes well and keep us posted. That supercharger whine is gonna surprise a few at the lights! :D

yeah it is a great kit. there a few eclipse running 12 and 13 and even 11s with these kits.
they have been fitted in galants, 3000gts, hundais, chryslers. and the list goes on. i assume
ya'll have seen their site. www.rippmods.com.

it would hard for overseas customers to fit this kit. ya'll have the rpw kit coming soon though.

RPW s/c kit? I thought they were dead against them due to the whole brittle piston thing.

By the way, jay04, are y'all from down South? :D

RPW s/c kit? I thought they were dead against them due to the whole brittle piston thing.

By the way, jay04, are y'all from down South? :D


well technically i am indian.....but have been in the south carolina [US] for 7 years so i
guess one could say that.

i think 3 gen pistons are pretty weak but with good tuning one could run 6 psi.

Jay04, you know for as long as we have been talking on the forum, I never realized you're in SC. Where abouts?? I have been down in Fort Jackson and the Columbia area for training quite a bit in the last few years.

As a matter of fact I was there last year for school for 5 weeks.