Well my extractors are in my garage at the moment, in about 10 minutes the install will start. I don't have a digital camera so i'll only be able to post a finished job. I'll keep you posted on how i'm going tonight or 2morrow night

Seeya!

Oi you bugger! I was supposed to help you!

And 2morrow is my day off so it wouldn't have mattered how late it was!
:evil:

Woohoo!!

Mate - good luck - shouldn't be too hard as long as you have the right tools!!

Maybe a couple of hours at teh max!!

But what I am impressed with is how many of us start modifying our cars late in teh arvo and then work all hours of the morning to get it working!! haha

Me and my mate up north had realy bad times trying this - we wwould get something for our car and friday after work we would try and fit it and still be working in the dark until onwards of 3AM!! haha

Manual

Oi you bugger! I was supposed to help you!

And 2morrow is my day off so it wouldn't have mattered how late it was!
:evil:

Well, over you come! :D

600 and something bucks, and all i got was 2 RPW stickers. Wot if i wanted 3?

haha - they put a RPW on my whiteline strut bar - needless to say it was removed

Manual

I threw in the RPW stickers before they were sent since they are RPW Extractors and its allways nice to show them off in your engine bay.

Hope you are happy with them. You should have your invoice in the mail Jason.

:evil: :evil: :evil: ****ING NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

The extractors don't have a spot for an O2 sensor. Killbilly said that his isn't connected, but it'll run rich if it's not connected!

I thought that they came witht the plug hole!
Haydn
If they are supposed to ...
TZABOY Id suggest taking good pics of the complete setup that u were sent... so if it was ment to and you have installed them and made it work you could get something else in replacement from RPW.

RPW Extractors are supposed to come with the plug hole for the O2 sensor after the flex pipe... I have that in mine... u looked properly?

RPW Extractors are supposed to come with the plug hole for the O2 sensor after the flex pipe... I have that in mine... u looked properly?

There is no hole for the O2 sensor at all, nowhere!

Maybe only comes on TE+ extractors...
Whereis Mitsiman when you need him :) Hell be able to answer the Q.
Haydn

Maybe only comes on TE+ extractors...
Whereis Mitsiman when you need him :) Hell be able to answer the Q.
Haydn

Mine's a TJ Sports so it should be the same one right??

AGREE! Where's Mitsiman when u need him LOL!


TZABOY. did you see a change in colour when the extractors heat up? Mine changes from Gold to Blue when it's hot

TZABOY. did you see a change in colour when the extractors heat up? Mine changes from Gold to Blue when it's hot

I'd like to tell you, but i can't get the rear headers off. They're hitting the engine mount and i can't/don't wanna take that off

The O2 sensor hose isnt connected on mine...It's just dangling there.

I hope this isnt a bad thing!?

Thats the way it was done when it was installed...Only took a real close look today when TZABOY got me to look at it.

It could be just a TR/TS thing...
Dont see why they wouldnt put it in the R/TS engine ones but if they put them in the TE+ ones........ :?
Id be checking with RPW!
Id be a bit spewing if I had paid $600+ for them and they dont even alow for the factory sensor... Which I would expect is Needed to let the engine run correctly!
Haydn

Mine runs well though!?

Verdict: Extractors can be installed at home with 2-3 people

BUT DON"T DO IT!!! ****ING NIGHTMARE!!!

altinator moved, engine mount removed and whole engine lifted for all of 10 kw

show them off in your engine bay.

Don't put the stickers on the extractors, they might vanish after a while :lol:


and all i got was 2 RPW stickers. Wot if i wanted 3?

Don't worry, with extractors and a few other mods, people will only see your rear window :)

Keep us posted on how you go. I've also heard of someone saying that they just didn't fit right. Don't know what's doing there.

Okay clarification.

There is supposed to be an Oxygen sensor fitting on teh flex pipe. :evil:

Unfortunatly and you are the first to advise me and I went and checked the rest of our systems, the manfacturer did not fit an O2 sensor fitting to them for which I apologise for. :oops:

I will be of course with all the systems in stock here now going and welding an O2 sensor fitting to them.

We can do several things ehre for your vehicle.

I can send you an O2 sensor nut which you can weld on to your flex pipe in the desired position and then drill through the bolt and tehn fit the o2 sensor to it or you could go to a local exhaust firm which could do this in aruond 1/2 hour max.

Again sorry for the inconveniance.

David Thomas
www.rpw.com.au

TZABOY,

If you want i can have the O2 Sensor fitting in the post today. Get back to me on this one. Sorry for the inconveniance mate. I can also throw in a few more RPW sticker if you would like them.

Cheers
Blake

Can I get one too Dave? Or were you talking to TZABOY and I both?

Blake, don't worry about sending me anything, all i've got to do is get a nut that is the same thread as the O2 sensor, drill a hole and weld the nut on. The rear bank is leaking and i can't tighten them up mainly because i don't have the tooling so i'll take the car to the mechanic 2morrow and get them to tighten everything up, and ask if they could put on the nut for the sensor.

MR RPW said something about putting the sensor on the flex pipe, sorry i didn't quote him but just look at his post. This statement is total bullshit! If i was to put the sensor on a flex pipe (there are two), then the sensor would only pick up the reading from one bank. The sensor will have to go about an inch from the cat just after where the two pipes from each bank join. Bolt on option should mean exactly that, not go out and spend more money to finish the job.

Blake, this isn't your fault at all and i thankyou greatly for organising everything for me and others will agree that without you, aussiemagna would not exist. However, if we are to be purchasing mods from RPW the quality will have to improve. This is a simple **** up that has resulted in Killbilly and myself running around without O2 sensors causing engines to run rich, i'm sure if our cars leaned out and we put pistons through the heads, no one wouldn't fit the bill.

RPW is the only place that i have found in Australia willing to make mods for my model of car. To modify my car further i will have to purchase gear from them, always worrying if it'll be the right part, will it fit and will it work. With **** ups like this, it may result in people loosing more respect for this firm and shying away from modifying a magna and possibly heading the falcoon and commo***** camps.
If i am to modify my ride further, i will be asking for a guarentee that it will fit and run according to specifications

TZA BOY - i think Dave was talking about the flew pipe attaching the end of the extractors to the Cat converter - not one of the individual side felx pipes

Manual

I couldn't agree with your more, i would have checked them before they left but they were allready wrapped up to go. It definatle won't happen in the future, we've learn our mistake, and that is make sure everything is in place.

I'll discount any future purchases to make up for it mate.

Once again truely sorry and when i have a few decals made up for AM and AMC i'll send you one free.

Cheers
Blake

Does that mean that the ones still in stock will be modified to suit and in the future they will all have this?

So, with an O2 sensor in the exhaust. Does this mean it's a closed loop system? I'm not very knowledgeable with how the exhaust and sensors work. Please explain! :)

TZA BOY - i think Dave was talking about the flew pipe attaching the end of the extractors to the Cat converter - not one of the individual side felx pipes

Manual

I don't think there was a flex pipe at the end of the extractors to the cat, it was a solid unit

[quote:bde5f658b0="Manual"]TZA BOY - i think Dave was talking about the flew pipe attaching the end of the extractors to the Cat converter - not one of the individual side felx pipes

Manual

I don't think there was a flex pipe at the end of the extractors to the cat, it was a solid unit[/quote:bde5f658b0]

ok - cos i know on my TH there is flex just infront of the Cat

But I dont know about TR/TS

Manual

Yes all TR / TS 3.0L 12V extractors have been modified to accept the O2 housing.

Any chance of a photo? A picture speaks a thousand words.

And I'm keen to look at this car 'porn' :badgrin:

.....I'll discount any future purchases to make up for it mate......


I would think that people are not saying it is your fault and therefore not expected of you to do that... If a manufacturer of products you buy from makes a mistake then they are at fault and should be expected to compensate the buyer. they are the ones with larger capacity and therefore for flexability.
M2cW
Haydn

I agree with you TZABOY.

Though I do know that this wouldn't be Dave's fault as I know 100% he did not see the extractors designed and built as my car was used, and I severly doubt he flew over for it! lol

In all seriousness though, the manufacturer should've really thought "Hang on..there's an O2 sensor connected here. I think it's wise to hook it up to the new extractors"

Hell I don't have any qualifications in that field but I do know that it shouldn't have been left off!

Now hopefully I should get some better fuel economy when it's fixed, not the piddly 450km per tank of BP Ultimate I've been getting!

Firstly whilst i can understand that you are upset I feel this blatent attack on our product and qaulity is unjustified. We have sent a lot of systems out to the magna people including many designs and the 12v V6 systems was a new product and one that I have only sold to approx 3 people to date at this moment. The first was the test fitter in the eastern states that was Kllbilly, yourself and one other person in the eastern states who has not yet contacted me with a problem.

The minute I realised there was a problem - I was on the net explaining what needed to be done and also stated what I would do to ensure it would not happen again. Can you please tell me what more you would like me to do at this point - I am rectifying the problem from happening again and it would be very unfair of yourself to take advantage of Aussie Magna on their offer because they have done nothing wrong for as Blake said, when he picked the goods up they were already wrapped so he was unable to check to make sure everything was in place.

Killbilly - I would be very surprised if the O2 sensor is not hooked up on your vehicle - the firm who manafactured the godos adn fitted them to your vehicle have been making exhaust systems for a long time and fitting them and that is a fundamental basic.

But this does differ to a basic worker who has then gone a jigged and made 30 sets and unfortunatly forgotten to weld on something simple like an O2 sensor.

When I realised the problem I qouted the following information


Okay clarification.

There is supposed to be an Oxygen sensor fitting on teh flex pipe. :evil:

Unfortunatly and you are the first to advise me and I went and checked the rest of our systems, the manfacturer did not fit an O2 sensor fitting to them for which I apologise for. :oops:

I will be of course with all the systems in stock here now going and welding an O2 sensor fitting to them.

We can do several things ehre for your vehicle.

I can send you an O2 sensor nut which you can weld on to your flex pipe in the desired position and then drill through the bolt and tehn fit the o2 sensor to it or you could go to a local exhaust firm which could do this in aruond 1/2 hour max.

Again sorry for the inconveniance.

David Thomas
www.rpw.com.au

I am not sure if you read this properly or understand what I said - and realistically you are not a mechanic so if you don't understand it then that is fair enough but don't thne come out punching because you do not understand what I am referring to.

With the design of the headers you will only be fitting the O2 sensor to one set of pipes on the twin flex pipe design. But before you start flaming me for this consider this.

Whilst it would be better to have the O2 sensor reading off the merge of all 6 cylinders with this design on the car it would only be possible if you extended the wiring or placed it after the merge which I am not sure can be done.

It is also a practice, not just by ourselves but by many other manfacturers to only pull off 1, 2 or 3 cylinders Ie less than the full number of cylinders on cars. Most four cylinder extractors if you look at most brands, and like our series, only pull of 1 or 2 cylinders.

Again let me state this - THIS HAS NO NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS on fuel economy or anything.

I do not normally get on here and respond this strongly, but these comments are totally unfair especially when they start referring to toher RPW products. I do not mind some criticism every now and then but remember this

We are one of the few firms who are prepared to INVEST in manafacturing products for your cars. Look around and see who else cars. If we get it wrong occasionally or miss something, I am usually on the ball to rectifiy it straight away.

I would have also offered once, to provide my own discount to this person but with the speed and to be honest, degree of attacking you have done, I would be very uninclined to do so now.

For the rest of the board - this forum has been great for not seeing any of this crap that exists badly on many other forums when they start getting larger. Don't encourage this as many firms will not even bother getting on forums and providing help and information because of this.

People make mistakes - we all miss things occasionally and we all try to make it up. If we did it ten times in a row then understandable to take it out but one time on a brand new product - give us a break.

one very upset person

David Thomas
www.rpw.com.au

Thank you David for clearing that up, and I would like to say, that as David says these are a new product and will still have a few teething problems.

However a question for you David, you say that not many manuffacturers take teh O2 reading from the combined cylinder output, what happens then if there is a faulty cylinder, or a leak in one but not another, this is just a query only and I was interested to find that the entire engine is not taken into consideration when the oxygen sensor is reading.

Cheers - and good luck with your beast!!

Manual

Your question is a valid one and is one that I was personally concerned about when I first started manafacturing our header systems.

Say you are reading off the rear bank of the V6 Magna (So that everyone understands what we are referring to) and one of the front cylinders has an injector running lean, then this means that the system will not be compensating for it no. What would happen is you would feel a loss of power / rough idle etc.

On the other hand though if the O2 sensor is reading all cylidners and this happens then what it would do in a cruise mode situation is then register it is running lean and then richen up all cylinders so what you would end up with is all cylinders running richer and doing harm to the engine as well.

At the end of the day it comes down to if you have an injector feed problem short of a complet massive failure (Whcih I have yet to see ever) the oxygen sensor is not really in a position to compensate for it anyway. It is only used for cruise mode application in closed loop at idle and at consistent rpm approx 80 - 100km/hr to maximise economy.

In the years since doing this system it comes down to as long as the O2 sensor gets a consistent and accurate air flow it can do its job for which it is designed and adjust the air fuel ratio on closed loop control for maximun economy.

If the vehicle has a problem the O2 sensor is not there to compensate as it woudl quickly go beyond its paramters of adjustment which are only in teh vicinity of 5 - 10% of teh fuel curve injector pulse timing.

Thankfully our modern day engines are a lot more reliable on the injectors and wear factors and just do not seem to be having problems with injectors dying. I don't think I have ever had to replace a Mitsubishi injector on a vehicle from 1993 upwards models.

I hope I have answered your question sufficiently, feel free to ask away though if I have not.

David Thomas

OK - so theoretically here - it would be ideal (in the 6G series) to run 6 oxygen sensors?? then these could individually note the oxygen levels from each cylinder and then using computers adapt for the good.

Ok - yes it would make the engine alot more complex - but techinally in theory - it would be a good thing right??

Then you ould get easier diagnostic tests etc and test each cylinder separetly.

(No I am not thinking of 6-pack O2 sensors on my extracors!! haha - though it would be cool to display inside teh car!! haha)

Manual

Exactly in our drag cars that is what we do is run seperate O2 sensors or tempature probes in each individual cylinder and get each one exactly the same but of course very expensive to setup and not necessary on a street car.

Cheers Dave - thats understandable - i just wanted to make sure my line of thought is clear and not so completely screwed!!

Cheers

Manual

Thank you for clearing that up David, and i will and i'm sure others, will continue purchasing you products which for me, could be in a week or so.

Cheers

Dave, are the extractors for the V6's all the same or do you have different ones for the TR/S and TE onwards?

They are different for TR/TS to TE-TJ

Do the ones for the TE-TJ's have a sensor?

i think all cars that have a computer run an O2 sensor, if you have your car up on jacks one day, look around just infront of the cat and something looking like a spark plug will be sticking out of your exhaust connected to a wire

Yes all of our systems have fittings for the O2 sensors.

On the TE - TJ models the O2 sensor is just before teh cat converter but after the hangers I believe (Except for the first batch of TR/TS systems :oops: ).

I need to visually go check a TR/TS model and ascertain where the stock O2 sensor is located and place it on the same relative position for the TR/TS systems we have in stock.

The TR/TS are completely different to the TE/TJ models I will get blake to come round and take some decent photo's for everyone

Cheers, Dave. Information and knowledge is useful.

Thanks

I just had some photos taken of the system so I should be able to post those photos within the next several hours

Dave,
Just a quick question,
Why the flex pipe between the 2 banks and another before the cat.
The one before the cat is supposed to be there however with the headers bolted to each bank why would one need a flex pipe between them when they are bolted solidly and got no where to go?

Here is the photo you are after.