To all those 3rd gens with intercoolers fitted.

What, if any, modifications did you do to your stock front bar etc, to fit the intercooler in.
Mine is a 600x300x75 front mount.

I'm Pulling the front off it on monday and it looks pretty tight to fit an intercooler in there.
Some tips or pics from those who have done this would be great.

Thanks.

To all those 3rd gens with intercoolers fitted.
What, if any, modifications did you do to your stock front bar etc, to fit the intercooler in.
Mine is a 600x300x75 front mount.

I'm Pulling the front off it on monday and it looks pretty tight to fit an intercooler in there.
Some tips or pics from those who have done this would be great.

Thanks.


may need to modify / remove intrusion bar.. OR place your FMIC lower then the bar which im sure then you will need to get a aftermarket front spoiler to lower the front... cos otherwise you might see the bottome of the FMIC under the stock front bumper...

red = where we have cut out the intrusion bar.
purple/blue = where the intrusion bar once was..

booya, that is the best looking part of your car. :cool:

booya, that is the best looking part of your car. :cool: I AGREE!
But the Rest is Mint too!
Owww that is 1 big F$%^ off FMIC!!!:P:P

you should nickname the intercooler ARNIE

that was a nice excuse to post a pic of your bar fridge.. i mean intercooler!

that was a nice excuse to post a pic of your bar fridge.. i mean intercooler!


actually the attached is a better example of that.. everthing in motion cept missing a front bar.. this was its maydn voyage on boost.. this was the first time it was drivin on boost :D

the road that is in the background is the road that is featured in the video - its the "slip way" to the Street Torque Workshop :badgrin:

have you considered customising your front bar so that you just leave the two sides of the bar their, and leave the middle open? something like the picture i have attatched

if you have the worlds biggest intercooler, you may as well show it off!!!

maybe a bit like this?

yeah, just incorporate the cut with the pre-existing opening in the bumper so it appears that the bumper was originally made that way, rather then just being cut. But you get my point. I reckon it would look awesome!

rev two.. lol

there ya go!!

Funk that looks fat but i dont like the bonnet scoop...

rev two.. lol

hahahaha, now its beginning to look a bit tacky. Seems like the grill and bumper aren't put on very well, and are gonna come off any second. Get sucked in by the turbo or something :nuts: licence plate shift to the side is nice tho. i like

i was actually thinking the opposite, get some black mesh in there, and a TH grill (with the black mesh aswell) and try and hide the cooler (would also make the front a tad smoother i think)

Booya, you have probably answered this question before, but was it necessary to get such a large FMIC fitted? would you have got away with something smaller and not lost any performance?

I think discreet is good and the way it looks currently is better IMO... yeah sure you are not going to be mistaken for a sleeper any time soon but a bit of mystery adds to the pizazz. :2cool:

Booya, you have probably answered this question before, but was it necessary to get such a large FMIC fitted? would you have got away with something smaller and not lost any performance?

a) boost above 20psi
b) 40deg heat + in the summer
c) its not as big as it appears.

formula - put a+b+c=x/2 :shifty:

here we go.... just a sorta idea i was thinking of... i think it sorta just makes it almost look a bit more factory.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/dchamberlain/cooler.jpg

a) boost above 20psi
b) 40deg heat + in the summer
c) its not as big as it appears.

formula - put a+b+c=x/2 :shifty:
he he... ok point taken...

I guess this would have been too small then ;)
http://neilk.customer.netspace.net.au/frontbooya2.jpg

hahahahhaa :bowrofl:

he he... ok point taken...

I guess this would have been too small then ;)
http://neilk.customer.netspace.net.au/frontbooya2.jpg


ill pay that :shifty:

Anyway, back on topic... I do believe this is Dave's TT (aka ex member Mitsiman) which is another setup to consider.

http://neilk.customer.netspace.net.au/fmic.jpg

a) boost above 20psi
b) 40deg heat + in the summer
c) its not as big as it appears.

formula - put a+b+c=x/2 :shifty:
a) ambient temperature has nothing to do with it, IC's can only cool to as low as ambient.
b) its a 3.5L engine, it doesn't need that sized intercooler.. ive seen V8 truck cores smaller
c) a smaller IC would give you less spool up AND lag
d) a smaller IC wouldnt look like a cow catcher yet still be visable enough to let people know u got boost, if thats what ur after.

it would have been cheaper too

i like the look of daves, except for the wierd up-side-down endtank :confused:

Plus with twin turbos and good ones at that, a 600x300x80 cooler would cool to say ambient+5degrees, your BFO one would cool to say ambient+3degrees; try measure that difference on a dyno

daves setup looks great :shock: doesn't it have more power and torque aswell?

a) ambient temperature has nothing to do with it, IC's can only cool to as low as ambient.
b) its a 3.5L engine, it doesn't need that sized intercooler.. ive seen V8 truck cores smaller
c) a smaller IC would give you less spool up AND lag
d) a smaller IC wouldnt look like a cow catcher yet still be visable enough to let people know u got boost, if thats what ur after.

it would have been cheaper too


a) try a difference of around 5deg from intake to throttle body.
b) umm... its a 3L
c) its fully spooled by 3000rpm your gasping for air cos your jammed in your seat by 4000rpm :nuts:
d) cost wasnt the issue here... i didnt pay RRp for it anyway.. oh, and i cant be bothered arguing. if you want to argue - my mobile is 0438825515


Plus with twin turbos and good ones at that, a 600x300x80 cooler would cool to say ambient+5degrees, your BFO one would cool to say ambient+3degrees; try measure that difference on a dyno

daves setup looks great :shock: doesn't it have more power and torque aswell?

yer, also has more boost :nuts: im "only" running 16psi....

Ok, glad that's sorted out :doubt:... I didn't put Dave's pic in or query Booya's choices for a slinging session so we can leave the little digs aside. Does anyone else have any pics? or info to share?
It looks like the front bar has a fair part to play in this... would this be correct?

Here's how mine is fitted… it's not maximising the efficiency of the intercooler with part of it blocked by the intrusion bar, but it's a good trade off… I didn't want to remove or modify the intrusion bar, and for practical reasons the FMIC sits up high enough so the tow hooks are the lowest point at the front of the car, protecting the intercooler from scraping.

Also with that set up, it's very easy to cut out the centre section of the front bumper and everything fits together perfectly.


yer, also has more boost :nuts: im "only" running 16psi....

Dave is 'only' running 16psi also :badgrin:

would there be enough room behind tha factory bar to fit a cooler if i wanted to run 10-15psi? i was thinking about eventually going turbo/twin turbo but i don't wanna be able to see the cooler anywhere, i was thinking about running to small, long coolers behind the black horizontal bits between the fog lights and number plate?

Dave is 'only' running 16psi also :badgrin:

well, then it comes down to..
a) im missing .5L of displacment (equlivent to an extra cylinder)
b) im currently cruzing 1500m above sea level.. tune me on the surf, and im sure the denser air will come in handy

here is a intresting point of info for you guys..
so you get your turbo tuned for the coast cruzes.. you decide to take a holiday to the "top end" i bet you'll have all sorts of problems when you get to alice, as your car wont know what to do with this very thin air we have here, you'd get efficience problems, also maybe lack of high grade fuels etc....

reverse the situation around - tune it in alice, (like i have) and have the ability to go to any capital city in oz running more effeciently then it did back home, Tuned on just normal ULP, i wont get stuck at any roadhouse along the way....

your car tuned on PULP? well, im just happy on my ULP.. altho i use PULP for safety, i can and will be happy to top up with ULP on a run to adelaide / darwin...

Ferrari, porche, lamboghini dont test their cars in alice springs for no reason... there was a bunch (3) GT3's in alice last week, with aall their black sticky tape... they come here for a reason.. tune it for this low dense air - and it will work everwhere... if they tuned your magna assuming everywhere is like adelaide - then it would be a bucket of **** in alice - you'd be lucky it it would start.

Keep firing the questions - ill keep answering.. :nuts:

Here's another pic with the front bar fitted. Sorry about the poor picture quality.

Like I said above, it's a very neat finish. But I have since made it more stealth with the Bunbury front bar.


here is a intresting point of info for you guys..
so you get your turbo tuned for the coast cruzes.. you decide to take a holiday to the "top end" i bet you'll have all sorts of problems when you get to alice, as your car wont know what to do with this very thin air we have here, you'd get efficience problems, also maybe lack of high grade fuels etc....


My car is still running the factory MAS, which will continue to do what is it designed to do... allow the factory ECU to compensate for changes in air pressure etc. So I don't see driving to NT as being a problem.

I am not trying to make this into a slinging match, just pointing out that both cars are running the same boost. :nuts:

well, then it comes down to..
a) im missing .5L of displacment (equlivent to an extra cylinder)
b) im currently cruzing 1500m above sea level.. tune me on the surf, and im sure the denser air will come in handy

here is a intresting point of info for you guys..
so you get your turbo tuned for the coast cruzes.. you decide to take a holiday to the "top end" i bet you'll have all sorts of problems when you get to alice, as your car wont know what to do with this very thin air we have here, you'd get efficience problems, also maybe lack of high grade fuels etc....

reverse the situation around - tune it in alice, (like i have) and have the ability to go to any capital city in oz running more effeciently then it did back home, Tuned on just normal ULP, i wont get stuck at any roadhouse along the way....

your car tuned on PULP? well, im just happy on my ULP.. altho i use PULP for safety, i can and will be happy to top up with ULP on a run to adelaide / darwin...

Ferrari, porche, lamboghini dont test their cars in alice springs for no reason... there was a bunch (3) GT3's in alice last week, with aall their black sticky tape... they come here for a reason.. tune it for this low dense air - and it will work everwhere... if they tuned your magna assuming everywhere is like adelaide - then it would be a bucket of **** in alice - you'd be lucky it it would start.

Keep firing the questions - ill keep answering.. :nuts:
Well yippee!!!

y tune it on the coast? because thats where normal people live and i doubt i'll be heading to the red centre soon in a forced inducted magna neway.

just bring your gold thing to MM05 because we're having a drag night at western sydney international dragway so u can run "dave's" built TT magna and we can finally rest this whole ordeal about who's shlong is bigger than who's.

Here's another pic with the front bar fitted. Sorry about the poor picture quality.

Like I said above, it's a very neat finish. But I have since made it more stealth with the Bunbury front bar.
I really like that look... what with the blue pipes on an angle... credit to you there

...go the muscle Magna's! :D

i'm sorry woodluck for hijacking your post, but when you talk about anything to do with a forced inducted magna you are wrong, i am wrong, that bloke in perth is wrong. Everyone is wrong except for one man who tunes his car at 1500 metres above sea level

Yeah, shut up and just race him already.

Well yippee!!!

y tune it on the coast? because thats where normal people live and i doubt i'll be heading to the red centre soon in a forced inducted magna neway.

just bring your gold thing to MM05 because we're having a drag night at western sydney international dragway so u can run "dave's" built TT magna and we can finally rest this whole ordeal about who's shlong is bigger than who's.
Sorry TZABOY but I don't actually see anywhere in this thread where Booya is 'measuring his shlong', he was merely explaining some of the reasons for having the set up the way he has... can we back off now? Chill!

I really like that look... what with the blue pipes on an angle... credit to you there

...go the muscle Magna's! :D

Thanks. :cool:

It looked awesome that way, but it really did attract a lot of unwanted attention… people were literally sticking their heads out of cars to gawk at the FMIC!

Yeah Velocity, I love the look of your car...
Which state are you in anyway?

3L VG30DET, a engine designed for boost, runs twin small 270x180x80 IC's, the STD upgrade for them is to go to a mildly larger twin IC setup, still probably not close to the size of daves TT IC yet these intercoolers see zeds into the 12's.

*Edit: removed comment not needed - HyperTF*

Remember, magnas have a MAF sensor, it can also read the density of the air :nuts:

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Greetings All.

Ok all...lets all take a chill pill (haha...just realised what the origanal post was about..cooling sh!t down :P)
Lest face it...top end power means nothing, the only real way to look at things is power delivery...Daves car reaches boost at around 2000RPM. and Bens has max boost around 3000RPM....daves car should be faster in the early part of the gear...although, ben having a much higher engine power will catch up in the later part of the gear...the race would be tough...daves car is tuned for racing..bens is mainly for dyno shoot outs...(doesnt mean he cant rrace...:) )

anyways, can we PLEASE get back on topic...i love the look of the RPW magna's front...

Cheers,
--Tonba
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Yeah Velocity, I love the look of your car...
Which state are you in anyway?

I'm in NSW... car still in Perth, but not for much longer :D

anyway, thanks for the pics. Helped alot.

I'll see how I go tomorrow.

Also does anyone with turbos have pics of there oil feed n return. I am also getting this done the same time n pics would help alot.

Velocity - what is your intercooler size.

Velocity - what is your intercooler size.

I am not 100% sure right now, I believe it's 600x300. It's a EVO IV aftermarket replacement, Tube and Fin unit which are usually thin by design.

Just to add mine :)

its a hybrid 450*300*75

The pipe on the drivers side now tucks behind that tow hook. Otherwise the front bar has trouble fitting. I also used a verada front bar, and it fits over the intercooler perfectly ... and hides it sweet :)