K&S Automotive in Homebush did it for me this morning - they did an extraordinarily tidy install - even utilising existing mount bolts. (its the gold thing hidden away under the air box in the pix). So we shall see now how it affects economy and oil cleanliness etc.

HEY!! they look cool, what do they do? I want one...and that fluro cabling/piping you have, that looks cool too!

[QUOTE=SARRAS]K&S Automotive in Homebush did it for me this morning - they did an extraordinarily tidy install - even utilising existing mount bolts. (its the gold thing hidden away under the air box in the pix). So we shall see now how it affects economy and oil cleanliness etc.[/QUOTE
Cool let us know how is goes, i have always been interested in these, due to the fuel price, how much it cost to supply & install?
Did you paint your Pannel filter White ?

the flouro stuff's a ground wire kit - there's already a long thread on those here somewhere. For the Fitch info best to look here:

http://www.fitchcatalyst.com.au/Default.asp

Cool let us know how is goes, i have always been interested in these, due to the fuel price, how much it cost to supply & install?
Did you paint your Pannel filter White ?


My car does pretty short trips all the time with the aircon going flat out except when I'm on a club run or something similar so the economy is blah really - the computer today reads 14.4 litres per 100klms - I expect that to decrease a litre or two.

The panel is some "Generic-Parts INC" thing the (Toyota) dealer fitted at the last service - I have to get oil and fluid changes done at this dealer as a warranty situation (message for future to self - always buy a Mitsu from a Mitsu dealer).

Got an oil change coming up next month so I will take note of oil colour before the change and say a month or two after. The 'Clean Oil' benefit of the Fitch is the one I'm most attracted to.

Oh sorry - cost was $542 including the F200 Catalyst, brackets, new fuel lines and fittings, and labour.

Oh sorry - cost was $542 including the F200 Catalyst, brackets, new fuel lines and fittings, and labour.

:shock:

Err.... What exactly does it do for that kind of money?

...ok, read the link. Sounds good but why don't manufactures put this on their cars? Maybe they are designing their own.

Apparently the guy who invented intermittent windscreen wipers sued all the car makers who ripped off his idea, one by one. Not sure if this is an Urban myth or not. Anyone else heard this?

:shock:

Err.... What exactly does it do for that kind of money?

...ok, read the link. Sounds good but why don't manufactures put this on their cars? Maybe they are designing their own.

Apparently the guy who invented intermittent windscreen wipers sued all the car makers who ripped off his idea, one by one. Not sure if this is an Urban myth or not. Anyone else heard this?

Well cars are built to a price - all of them - so its like saying why don't all cars come with premium tyres as standard. Its interesting that BOTH the cars on Fitch's Australian site front page are Mitsus - maybe something factory fitted is in the works.

Nice.

I'm interested... just because the astron II drinks like a V8. lol

Let us know how much difference it makes.

Great to hear, hopefully you'll seen the benefits soon, I'm waiting for my car to come back from the repairs so I can install my own Fuelstar, going to install at the same spot as yours, it's really the only logical place to put it in a 3rd Gen Magna without going into excessive problems.

Okay I thought I'd update this thread now that I've had the Fitch in the car for nearly 2 months. In that time, as well as general running around and a couple of cross-city Magna runs, I have done a trip to Canberra and back where I was in a convoy of Ferraris for a while, so some insanely illegal speeds were reached at times but hey - we were going to an Italian Car day so there was need for Bravo!

Also about 5 weeks after the fitch was fitted all fluids were changed (Engine oil, AT fluid, Coolant, Power Steering fluid) and in total now I've racked up about 2,500 Klms on the Fitch. The engine oil that was changed was less than 5,000 klms old, so though it may have been something of a factor, I think its a small variable.

So before and to date: these are what I have noticed:

The car starts quicker, almost always on first kick (wheras as before it always went to two kicks in the morning)

Engine smoothness has dramatically increased (this on an engine that's done 55,000 Klms so its not 'worn' as such). Gearbox smoothness has also improved - even before the fluid change.

The infamous Magna exhaust header flap 'rattling' noise has vanished.

General driveability and 'get up and go' has improved noticeably.

Economy is improved. I do a lot of short trips and almost always use the aircon so my in-car display always showed 15/16/17 litres per 100 klms around town - now for the first time ever I'm seeing 13 often, and sometimes 12 and 11 litres per 100klms.

On the trip to Canberra I mostly saw 12litres per 100klms, but that was with 2 adults and two kids in the car, the aircon going flat chat, and as I said, we were pushing quite hard most of the time.

So anyway there you are - from my experience these things do definitely make an improvement and are worth the cost as a long term venture.

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Apparently the guy who invented intermittent windscreen wipers sued all the car makers who ripped off his idea, one by one. Not sure if this is an Urban myth or not. Anyone else heard this?

It's true, I remember hearing about the case against Ford in the US. It seems back in the 60's he had the cuircitry patened but the manufacturers just used it anyway without a licence. From memory the court ordered he be paid $10 US Royalties for every car built and fitted with intermitant wipers by Ford. Now thats a decent payout :thumbsup: I don't know about other manufacturers

Back in the 80's a mate in melbourne was negotiating over the sale of his unpatented design for the digital display speedo. The prospective buyer had someone break into his workshop and steal his prototype. This design was later used by Holden, Ford and Mitsubish in Australia and also by most manufacturers around the world. The corporate thief would have made millions and the designer, now dead certainly wasn't a wealthy man when he passed away.
This sort of thing happens to inventors all the time.
Got a good idea or invention?......Patent it!!!!

So before and to date: these are what I have noticed:

The infamous Magna exhaust header flap 'rattling' noise has vanished.



Objection your honor..... I fail to see that relevance this has to the product in question... :doubt:

Is this thread a joke or what?

Is this thread a joke or what?
I agree! I suppose there is an extra 30 kw at the wheels and the air con cool down rate is 50% quicker. I was thinking about putting a supercharger on my exhaust so it pulls the gas out of my engine quicker! :nuts:

Is this thread a joke or what?
Nope, you can convince people of anything if you make them spend enough money on it.

Anyone wanna buy some magic speaker wire? Contains the blood of jesus! Makes your songs dance and sing! Makes 48kbps mp3s sound CD QUALITY! $499 a meter (discount for AMC members :D)

I'm going to show my ignorance here, but is this fitch fuel catalyst up there with Brockies energy polariser thingy whatsit. I've read the info on the web site and still can't justify the $$$$'s for this magic box. Just wondering whether the improvements actually happened or are they something you wished would happen.

There's no place like home (chant 3X while clicking heals together)

I'm going to show my ignorance here, but is this fitch fuel catalyst up there with Brockies energy polariser thingy whatsit. I've read the info on the web site and still can't justify the $$$$'s for this magic box. Just wondering whether the improvements actually happened or are they something you wished would happen.

There's no place like home (chant 3X while clicking heals together)

"I'm going to show my ignorance here..." well what can I say - apart from half a dozen clown-act replies... I JUST POSTED a detailed account of what changes and benefits I had found from the use of the thing. Clearly I should have posted that oversize mags are now scientifically proven to be a chick-magnet - then you'd get it right!

^^ No you haven't, you've posted your perception of what improvements (probably haven't) occurred. Who's the clown now?

It is the placebo effect. If you believe enough in something of course it will come true! I started using a "Fitch" and my 5 speed grew an extra gear and became a 6 speed for even better economy!

So before and to date: these are what I have noticed:

Gearbox smoothness has also improved

The infamous Magna exhaust header flap 'rattling' noise has vanished.

General driveability and 'get up and go' has improved noticeably.

These are the ones that get me. Honestly and with your hand off ya pecker, how the *** can a fuel catalyst improve the smoothness of the gearbox. That's like saying using premium petrol makes the radio louder. They're ****in unrelated.
When you say driveability do you mean it handles better, less understeer and better steering response or what. 'Get up and go' to the shrink or pull another cone or leg or somethin but don't expect anyone to take you serious with this. :nuts:

I was thinking about putting a supercharger on my exhaust so it pulls the gas out of my engine quicker! :nuts:

They say a man who muck about with exhaust pipe bound to get a hot rod. :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

ok this device helps the fuel burn better and also can extend the life of the engine i have had this device in longer than SARRAS and i have notice the difference.

But It can all depend on the driver. you drive normaly you can get an increase in fuel enconomy, you floor it you can get a better response. I was very doubtful about the device on how it works and did a lot a research on it before i bought it. But it does work.

this device is more for people who want to try and get more out of a fuel tank.

This is my base summary

Some good reading on the subject

http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm

http://www.fuelsaving.info/catalysts.htm

If this device somehow 'chemically alters' the fuel why have they done no tests to prove that instead of these inaccurate idle emissions tests?

Also, I challenge anyone to prove this thing isn't a scam..

These are the ones that get me. Honestly and with your hand off ya pecker, how the *** can a fuel catalyst improve the smoothness of the gearbox. That's like saying using premium petrol makes the radio louder. They're ****in unrelated.
When you say driveability do you mean it handles better, less understeer and better steering response or what. 'Get up and go' to the shrink or pull another cone or leg or somethin but don't expect anyone to take you serious with this. :nuts:

I have to agreee with this question. how have you come to this ?

this device is engine related not transmission related???

I have to agreee with this question. how have you come to this ?

this device is engine related not transmission related???

Sharkie this thread has attracted some vehement responses for whatever reason. Opinions are just that one supposes but wheras I posted on results from ACTUALLY USING THE THING, its worth noting that the responses my post attracted are from people who haven't used one, but nevertheless have all sorts of supposedly valid opinions about it. From the likes of Tek I expect that as he always does this sort of thing here; but the point remains they're not saying that they fitted a fitch and DIDN'T see what I saw, they're just mouthing off from a basis of no actual experience.

Why the AT is shifting cripser and kicking down more easily I don't know but last time I checked the 'box was driven by the engine so I assume that since the engine overall is performing better, the box is following suit. Same as with the idle speed - that used to vary a bit and was often lumpy, its settled down to a hard constant now and is always the same speed.

Anyway, so much for trying to post something of benefit at AM - I shall unsubscribe from this thread and leave it to the dogs!

Sharkie this thread has attracted some vehement responses for whatever reason. Opinions are just that one supposes but wheras I posted on results from ACTUALLY USING THE THING, its worth noting that the responses my post attracted are from people who haven't used one, but nevertheless have all sorts of supposedly valid opinions about it. From the likes of Tek I expect that as he always does this sort of thing here; but the point remains they're not saying that they fitted a fitch and DIDN'T see what I saw, they're just mouthing off from a basis of no actual experience.

Why the AT is shifting cripser and kicking down more easily I don't know but last time I checked the 'box was driven by the engine so I assume that since the engine overall is performing better, the box is following suit. Same as with the idle speed - that used to vary a bit and was often lumpy, its settled down to a hard constant now and is always the same speed.

Anyway, so much for trying to post something of benefit at AM - I shall unsubscribe from this thread and leave it to the dogs!

probaly the reason you thinking that the ATs acting better is that the engine is start to work better hence that would transfer it to the transmission!

Thats probaly why i havn't really posted anything about it When i put mine in :confused:

Read this and then the article on Fichts stuff at the bottom.

http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm

Some good reading on the subject

http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm

http://www.fuelsaving.info/catalysts.htm

If this device somehow 'chemically alters' the fuel why have they done no tests to prove that instead of these inaccurate idle emissions tests?

Also, I challenge anyone to prove this thing isn't a scam..

Read this and then the article on Fichts stuff at the bottom.

http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm
Is there an echo in here? :p

whoa too much info whats the summary on that one :bowrofl:

My apologies iceman. I can't see too well these days. :bowrofl:

i just read it properly all those test are done in europe. Now europe has better fuel than us. Australia is know to have bad fuel.

but in any case this will become and ongoing debate and I think this whole thread should be deleted!!

just a question here.. but based on what the website says, wouldnt optimax do the isact same thing???

just a question here.. but based on what the website says, wouldnt optimax do the isact same thing???

yes it would but i supose this is the cheaper version in the long run.

Don't qutoe me on that :confused:

From the likes of Tek I expect that as he always does this sort of thing here;... Dont blame Tek, it's hard not to throw your opinion around on everything when you know FECKIN ABSOLUTLEY EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING.