is the bellhousing bolt pattern and drive plate bolt pattern the same in first and second gen magna,s? in other words will a first gen 2.6 bolt in to a second gen?any help would be greatly appreciated.

I dont konw about the artron I's but i'm pretty sure the Astron II in the TP and TR will both fit in each other. But i'm not exactly sure.

yeah, a motor from a first gen magna should fit and bolt correctly. i have a '85 TM, and when i got a new motor, it was from a TR. they are the same block, i think the only difference was in the head (something like 14cc bigger).

why would you wanna put the first gen one into a second gen anyways?

Legally you can't put an older motor into a newer car

Legally you can't put an older motor into a newer car

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yes you can, you just need an mod/engineering/blue plate and an emissions test proving its better/equal to the motor...

my motor is from a 87 model charade, my charade is a 94 model... its legal and totaly complied and registered as turbo with a known older motor... legal because of THIS (http://members.westnet.com.au/jasonbroadhurst/images/modplate.jpg)

if the motor is the same block, why not just get a change of minor detail form from RTA and sort that out, change the motor but keep the original addons like alt and manifolds and then i dont think you will have a problem with any legalities at all, i just did it properly becuase it would get a little more attention than a magna :cry:

Well mate, here's the thing.

1) You're in a different state, so you can't comment. As this referred to NSW

2) No need for your arrogance and rudeness, which has been FAR too common for your own good.

and 3) THIS YEAR the ADR's have changed which is why Craig Harrison (a good friend of mine and the owner of "Ultimate TR" on the fastmagna gallery) cannot finish his car, you CANNOT do the swap.

So :roll: as much as you like, but I know what's going on.

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I wish they just left people alone. Its not like its causing anyone harm.

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I wish they just left people alone. Its not like its causing anyone harm.

It sucks I know! I'm lucky I got to finish my conversion before they came in!

There is no reason for the new ADR's other than to stop car modifiers. That's all.

They're ridiculously strict and there's absolutely no need for it. BTW this is for a car that is already produced and will be street registered for private, everday use kinda thing. There are different design rules for cars built from the ground and a particular motor is put into it etc.

This is why Craig is now building a Cobra replica with the highly worked TT DOHC 24v 6G72 in it. And yes, it will be RWD

hmm

Now i am curious. What about a 2nd gen v6 into a 1st gen ?

no no and no.....well not without modifying engine mounts.....its the same as putting a 2nd gen v6 in a 2nd gen......4cyl engine bay

hmm

Now i am curious. What about a 2nd gen v6 into a 1st gen ?
I heard the VR4 engine is a close fit into the 1st gens. I dont think a V6 would even fit in the 1st gen engine bay, let alone the engine mounts being all wrong. But what is the differance between a TP astron II and a TR astron II? would they say your not allowed because they are model specific? i mean they're BOTH astron II's, couldn't you just say that?

I believe the first gen TP is a straight bolt in, besides changing manifolds. MY old TN had a TS motor in it, was a bolt in so I would assume the same the other way.

Yes KB is right, there have been new law changes, effective I think sometime in December or then abouts that prevents the donor motor being older than the car.

With you case you could get around this of course as you will have to replace the manifolds anyway so no one would be none the wiser.

Only thing to watch out for is the older 2.6 non injected astrons do not have facility in the inlet ports for the injectors which protude slightly from the inlet manifold.

The law change was only recently in Vic. I got away, as my motor changeover happened in November ('85 block, '88 head)

thanks everyone who responded, reason i want to do this is i have a good gen1 motor and my mates gen 2 spat its chain off bent valves and siezed.i was going to use manifolds off original motor. i,m going to try it on sat. i,ll let ya know

gen 2, 2.6 with efi has a higher compression ratio to all carby and gen 1 efi engines which are the same compression, if you fitted a low compression engine with the gen 2 efi system then it would probably use more fuel than usual just like a worn engine does.