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scorpy
07-02-2005, 05:14 PM
Hey guys,
Just got my magna today and was wondering about a few things, so if you have the time to answer a few questions I would apreciate it alot.
1. Ive read that a K&N pod filter designed for the mitsubishi air flow meter is the way to go for my car (2.6L EFI model sedan ex) as well as a lukey lr2779 2.5" straight through (Its OEM right?). Or have I heard wrong and this filter and zaust will only be an asset for the V6 model magnas?
2. What performance gain should I expect from fitting a lukey system and K&N filter and is it worth the money considering its a 4cyl and I dont plan on doing to much else mechanicly to the car?
3. Does anyone know where I can get this done in brisbane?
4. What sound setup comes in this TS? 6" in the front dash and 6" in the parcel at the back? Is there any guides for the wiring loomes of the sterio?
5. Does anyone have ANY techinical information about a 1995 TS 2.6L EFI sedan ex ... anything from tech docs to articles to wiring looms .. whatever? even history or possible defects in the model?
Thanks guys
JELLMAG
07-02-2005, 05:36 PM
pic's pics pic's we love to see new members cars here
and welcome to the club mate
ok you could go the K&n pod or panel filter.
if you go the pod make sure its the oval one
and the panel filter just replace's the stock papre filter
i"m not sure on the performance gains as i haven't done these mod's yet,but people say that the gain's are noticable
here's a link to a guide for a wiring loom http://madmagna.atspace.com/tech/audiocable.htm
and also get yourself a gregories or haynes manual
even though there $40 each they'll pay for themselves in no time
hope this help's
scorpy
07-02-2005, 05:42 PM
Thanks for the speedy reply mate! I will post pictures on wednesday, its pretty stock looking except for some mags :)
I noticed on that link you gave that there was no pictures, i might as well email him the pictures of my install so he can add them to his page. My small way to contribute.
If you can definatly notice the difference then I might as well get the intake and exaust done but I'm still trying to find somewhere in Brisbane that does a proper K&N and lukey install all at once.
Hi mate....welcome.
Yes there is a Oval pod filter specifically designed for the Mitsubishi Mas sensors, as far as power improvements from this go....i wouldnt expect anything TOO noticeable, maybe a smoother rev range, but its not gonna make your car quicker really.
The Lukey LR2779 is, for some reason or another, a common favourite around here, personally i think any Hi-flow muffler will do the job. When i did my exhaust on my 4cyl i just got a generic hiflow muffler, and it cost a fraction of the price of a Lukey.
You wont really notice very much performance gains at all, certainly not enuf to justify the money spent on the items.......if its an auto your gains will be even less noticeable. You may get better fuel economy and throttle response. Exhaust does sound wikid though :P
As far as i know the Dash speakers are 4" cardboard ****ty speakers, and the back are either 6" or 6x9's.....either way for the back speakers there is a plate u can remove to fit 6x9 speakers in. There is very little room in the dash for better speakers this is why many ppl put better speakers in the doors instead....there is a bracket behind the door trim for mounting speakers u may just have to cut out the trim.
The techincal information yur after can be found in a Workshop manual such as a "gregories" or "haynes" specifically for your car.......they're around $20-$40 depending whree u shop. They'll have everythin yur after.....
Possible Defects......Timing/Balance shaft chains, Valve stem seals..... fairly common problems with these engines.
Anyway hope this helps....feel free to ask a question and im sure someone here will be able to answer it.......i hope......... lol
RoGuE_StreaK
07-02-2005, 09:21 PM
Wiring:
Left Front: Black / Black&White
Right Front: Red / Red&White
Left Rear: Green&Red / Grey&Black
Right Rear: Red&Green / Red
Permanent Power: Red&Green
Interior Lighting (not connected for new unit): Green&White
Accessory Power: Blue&Red
I think I read somewhere (but don't quote me on it) that the stock exhaust is fairly high-flow as it is, so a new muffler system probably won't give much noticeable difference?
Everyone seems to say a K&N panel filter gives a bit of improvement. From what I can gather from the CAI (cold air induction) talk lately, a pod filter won't do too great as it's getting it's air hot from inside the engine bay. The standard panel filter box has at least some attempt at getting cooler air into it. If you wanted a pod, you're (apparently) best off making a custom sealed box for it, and feeding it cold air through a pipe system from under your bumper, or through your bumper, or your grill, or somehere like that.
Dunno, I can't afford an upgraded filter. Might make a vague attempt to improve the flow of cool air to the panel filter box though - cheap, and can't hurt?
Cobra82
08-02-2005, 10:57 AM
I think I read somewhere (but don't quote me on it) that the stock exhaust is fairly high-flow as it is, so a new muffler system probably won't give much noticeable difference?
The actual piping before the rear muffler is 2 1/4 ich (measured it myself) which isn't too restrictive but the stock muffler is very restrictive to keep the car as quiet as possible. Hence alot of people say they notice a bit of difference just replacing the rear muffler.
And if your mufler is still the stock one from factory like mine its prolly all broken and crap inside making it even more restrictive.
scorpy
08-02-2005, 04:37 PM
Thank you all of you for your info and advice, especially RoGuE_StreaK for those wiring color and description tables. They are going to come in VERY handy :-)
_x_FiReStOrM_x_
08-02-2005, 04:48 PM
Well, i think the exhaust and filter make a fair difference. Nothing too big but i reckon its great! :D
The exhaust gives a bit better economy and also contributes a fair amount of power to the top of the rev range and a little more torque low down.(1500-2750) + (4000-redline)
With my mods (K&n filter, catch can, lukey ultraflow muffler only no piping and CAI) and running of 98 octane, i managed to kill an EL the other day. :badgrin: Mines an auto too. :doubt:
my bro put in a Lukey exhaust system in our TS wagon, its 2.5" piping and catback, from wat he says there is very little performance gain at low revs but wen it gets up high, it kicks pretty well. i hav to wait for the experiance wen i get my L's, hopefully 2morrow :D
scorpy
08-02-2005, 10:06 PM
firestorm and hojo is there anyware in brisbane that will do all of it at once that you know of?
Monga
08-02-2005, 10:42 PM
Well, i think the exhaust and filter make a fair difference. Nothing too big but i reckon its great! :D
The exhaust gives a bit better economy and also contributes a fair amount of power to the top of the rev range and a little more torque low down.(1500-2750) + (4000-redline)
With my mods (K&n filter, catch can, lukey ultraflow muffler only no piping and CAI) and running of 98 octane, i managed to kill an EL the other day. :badgrin: Mines an auto too. :doubt:
Is there any point running a 2nd gen to the redline, when the torque and power peaks way before?
I shift at 5ish
Killbilly
09-02-2005, 06:14 AM
You should shift just a little after peak power as this puts you in a better torque range for the next gear.
scorpy
10-02-2005, 08:50 AM
Um this isnt good, I took out my sterio today (stock) and the wire loom only had six wires. red, red something, black, black something and there was two more. I thought there was more then that?
Im so screwed... whats with there being no back speakers in my 95 ts anyways? Everyone here says there is 6" speakers at the back or something along those lines?
Also, below is the diag to how I was going to install my sterio, is this how its meant to be done?
red = 4 guage power cable
blue = rca
big amp and two 12" jl's sit in the boot and little amp with two 6x9's in rear parcel shelf with two 6" two ways in the doors running off my deck.
The question here is, with only one rca pre out, how am I meant to run both 'rear' amps from the one rca lead? Is it okay to simply splt the rca's between the amps or isnt it that easy? (My headdeck only has one set of rear rca outs)
Cobra82
10-02-2005, 12:21 PM
Um this isnt good, I took out my sterio today (stock) and the wire loom only had six wires. red, red something, black, black something and there was two more. I thought there was more then that?
Im so screwed... whats with there being no back speakers in my 95 ts anyways? Everyone here says there is 6" speakers at the back or something along those lines?
Theres only 6 wires coz you only have two speakersat the front, positive and negative for each speaker and posotive and negative for power. Its strange that there is no accesories wire (so it lights up when you turn on the car). But i think you just need to tap that into something that lights up like your cig lighter (something i still havn't got around to doing).
Executive model tr/ts magnas don't come with speakers in the back but i think they did make holes in the metal work of the real shelf for 6x9s (prolly for the veradas) so all you have to do is cut through the carpet/board that covers these holes.
I may be worng but this is what it looks like my magna, but the holes were already cut in mine.
M4DDOG
10-02-2005, 01:39 PM
Yeh the 4 fours are speaker wires and the other 2 are 12v and ground. You can buy rca cables that have a plug on the back of them for another rca cable to plug into, or you can simply buy splitters. up to you :). I have 4 RCA cables at the moment, one from HU to smaller amp, then that goes into another 2 RCA cables for my big amps dual input.
pseudomorphous
10-02-2005, 02:55 PM
why dont oyu have an ignition wire? there really should be one. And as for running more than 1 amp, if your head unit doesnt allow it then ur going to need some stuff like distirbution blocks and splitters and stuff. Go to any car audio store and theyll have the stuff for it. Ask some of the car audio experts in the car audio section for more detail.
oh yeh and the 6x9's bolt straight into the rear parcel shelf no worries, is a really easy job. took me like 10 minutes to bolt them in and wire it up.
_x_FiReStOrM_x_
10-02-2005, 03:01 PM
Is there any point running a 2nd gen to the redline, when the torque and power peaks way before?
I shift at 5ish
The engine power and torque peaks way before but the power at the wheels mostly doesn't with the ****ty auto box.
Theres a huge arse flat spot between 3-4k rpm; it really wakes up at 4k and gives that nice feeling when pulling away from other cars lol ... hitting redline just becomes a habbit :rant: .
in reply to scorpy's question, sorry mate i'm in central vic. No idea :confused: .
RoGuE_StreaK
10-02-2005, 04:03 PM
Um this isnt good, I took out my sterio today (stock) and the wire loom only had six wires. red, red something, black, black something and there was two more. I thought there was more then that?
Actually, this should be right (I forgot about that, mine also only had front speakers - it's a wagon). Black is front left, Red is front right, the other two should be permanent power (Red/Green) and Accessory power (Red/Blue). Gound should be a seperate wire connected to the chassis mount of the stereo.
firestorm and hojo is there anyware in brisbane that will do all of it at once that you know of?
sorry scorpy, i cant help u there, im from NSW
firestorm: my brother said to me that our new exhaust system has put the cars tourque outa whack and we're not getting any good power outputs at low revs, he thinks that the piping is too big (2.5") and that maybe 2.25" is maybe better for it...?
M4DDOG
10-02-2005, 09:51 PM
sorry scorpy, i cant help u there, im from NSW
firestorm: my brother said to me that our new exhaust system has put the cars tourque outa whack and we're not getting any good power outputs at low revs, he thinks that the piping is too big (2.5") and that maybe 2.25" is maybe better for it...?
i've been told me amc people and an exhaust place that anything bigger than 2 1/4 inch on the 4 cylinder will lose power.
pseudomorphous
11-02-2005, 12:57 AM
ive got 2.25 on mine and i think its almost too big with current resonator and muffler, a little too much drawback. I think prehaps stock the 4cylinder should have come with a 2" instead.
scorpy
11-02-2005, 10:46 AM
This audio install has to be the most ****ed up install ive done yet.
I cant beleive how hard the 4" speakers on the 'top' of the dash are to get at.
The middle console falls away pretty easy but I still cant beleive i have to take remote from the cig lighter... sorry I will stop *****ing now.
So for my door pods in a 1995 TS MAGNA! are there or are there not 6" holes in the doors like there is in the rear shelf? Im not going to open the doors to find there isnt holes in the metel am I?
andrew_hebble
11-02-2005, 01:23 PM
Yes, there are holes in the chassie for 6" speakers. Although, and here is the annoying bit, din't be fooled like i was with this. The holes in the frame might be big enough for the 6" speakers, although the cosmetic trim of the door and the bloody map holders if you have them, prevent the grills on most 6" speakers going on. I had to put the 6ers in the back and use 5" in the front, just fitted with alittle modding to the map holders. Running cable to the doors is also alittle challeng although not too much hassle in the end as it is a really good end result.
Alpine 9826
alpine 5" SD front
Pioneer 3way 6" rear.
95 Magna TS V6 Wagon Auto.
pseudomorphous
11-02-2005, 02:07 PM
while i agree that the replacing of the 4" in the dash was crap i found the rest of the install on my car to be fairly easy. Whats causing all the trouble?
scorpy
11-02-2005, 06:04 PM
the 6" 's in the doors... ive never made a pod *cries*
pseudomorphous
12-02-2005, 01:30 PM
im gonna chuck some 6"'s in the doors tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.
GoTRICE
13-02-2005, 06:34 AM
ive done this myself and im too untalented so i havent touched the wires. The holes in the metel for the 6" are definately there. Take off the door trim and take out the map holders and chuck them, the screws for them are are on the back of the door trim.
Then ull need a drill and jig saw. Cut circle with diameter of 6" which u have already traced make sure u dont put it to high or low otherwise it'll sit too high or low on the doors and one of the edges will be held up causes ur speaker covers to constantly fall off.
The 4" in the dash arent that hard to get to, pop the lid/cover off them and with a smallish screwdriver, undo screws and pull them out, take out or cut off the wire. Have no worries chances are your 4" speakers don't work anyway. Now you have your wire for your 6" and you have to get it too the door.
This is the stage im stuck at as the 4" dash wire wont reach, i am thinking of putting my crossovers in the hole for the 4" then tweeters on dash, this means i still will need wire from crossover to 6".
sorry if no sense is made, any questions; ask,
cheers aj.
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