Just wondering if anyone has ever seen or done this to a car any car and how much more fuel it uses (if it does) when just normally driving... ie not putting foot down to floor....

also... is it legal at all on street cars.. do you need to get engineering plates (im guessing yes)?

thanks.

By Independent TB you talking twin setup or something?

if so - then yes :D


how much more fuel it uses (if it does) when just normally driving... ie not putting foot down to floor....
Depends how you tune it. tune it for all its got and it will eat fuel.
on average - highway cruzing, was more then acceptable. when booting it - drank more then the MM03 Contingient for the week lol

when i put my one on, we saw an instant 40hp increase, (went from 141.1hp to 184something hp- can dig up a dyno sheet if you need it). Throttle response was ace - and sounded tuff - ask Malc (he did burnouts in this car hahahah), ash (he humped the wing i had on at the time) and ask blake (the bastard wouldnt get out of the car!! couldnt even pry the f-ker out) lol

is it legal at all on street cars
I couldnt see it not being legal - but im sure it would affect emmission standards as far as noise polution is conserned.. also having two pods at the end of each throttle body - also makes an issue of legality.

NOTE on this system - running a True twin throttle body such as this design improves torque right around the rev range, allowing air to flow very well specially around the top end. From idle its instant hp on tap, as even the slightest movments in the throttle cable would hear the air roar something chronic. i think i have some video clips of my NA build engine - and will find and post them up for reference.

NOTE 2 on this system - This system can only be run with a true full replacment ECU. No piggyback systems here. Why? Because this ttb cannot run parallel with a MAF? sensor.

NOTE 3 on this system - keen on one.. we (street torque) have one really to roll... msg me :cool:

BOoya

great info dude

Nah he means a six pack of throttle bodies :P as in 1 throttle body per intake runner - if i can say one thing about it on any car, INDUCTION ROAR :P but it'd be crazy expensive as you'd need to buy 6 throttle bodies unless you had a good milling machine.

Plus like booya said, the standard ecu has a maf sensor which is no good here, you'd need to engineer a new programable ecu setup with probably map sensors and an ecu capable of reading 6 differant air flows at the same time - not sure what wolf/hawk etc are capable of exactly but you'd prolly be looking at an autronics or a motec.

The only place i've seen individual intake runners(aside from carbies :P) is on a few 4age westfield racing cars and a racing integra - the 4age's were around 135/140kw and the integra which was at 2.2 litres was producing 206 kilowatts :shock: and they sounded pretty insane.

So yeah I'm with booya, go the twins, just look at a 304 black motor with twins *restekpa*

Matthius

I hear there Corollas and Pulsars etc running 4packs TBs. All we need is a 4.6L V8 front wheel drive converstion from a Cadillac etc and we can run 2 x 4packs.

I wonder if there are 6packs off commodores or anything Stateside that can be grafted.

great info dude


i try my best - what some people dont realise, is altho i have a turbo car now, prior to this, it was a hard worked n/a block. - so ive got a lot of experience from both sides of the fence http://www.booyamotorsport.com/smile_thumbup.gif

but yer, as Matthius said, unless your trying to extract every single .5 of a pony for serious drag racing, its not really a street-able setup.. not only that, it would idle like a biach, 6x the volume of air at idle - youd have to idle it at around 1600rpm just so you didnt stall it :confused:

with probably map sensors and an ecu capable of reading 6 differant air flows at the same time - not sure what wolf/hawk etc are capable of exactly but you'd prolly be looking at an autronics or a motec.
Your not reading 6 sensors, your reading one vacuum. and that would be in the plenum... im not sure how' you'd run a "trumpet" system with 6tb's (prolly the only way you'd be able to run 6 individual tb's)... must be a flat MAP, no room for correction. You'd also have the problem of the tbs not being in sync...

Personally, if your looking for the EDGE in a NA magna with a full computer, you cant go past what we have designed. the TBs are in perfect sync of eachother and the torque gain is chronic!!! We went on a cruze in adelaide at the end of '03 Me, Dallas (street torque) Aaron (MAGNA on this forum) and his girl in my car, full tank + **** everwhere in the boot, and we keept up and started to crawl over a VX SS with a chip and exhaust.. he claimed 220kw at the bags... we owned him... no ****, ask 4Pleasn and GuRU on this forum.. they know :cool:

The ST Plennum wasnt just welding on a second TB.. the runners were ported and polished, and the TB's were a 72mm varient.. not a STD magna TB.. so the air displacment was something chronic.. :cool:

BOoya to the world!

so how much then?

FFS BOOYA YOUR EVERY POST KILLS ME!

Can I move to my uncles place in Alice and become your Apprentice! :D

FFS BOOYA YOUR EVERY POST KILLS ME!

Can I move to my uncles place in Alice and become your Apprentice! :D
LOL...what next...a new religion....BOOYAISM :bowrofl: :bowrofl: lol

LOL...what next...a new religion....BOOYAISM


hehehe.. and we can rename the northern territory "booyaland" (pronounced; BOOya-Lend") lol

and the people of this land will be booyalings :nuts:

meh, ill jump off the horse now :gtfo:

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Yeah how much would the dual throttle bodies be with a stock engine to the setup shown? and are you getting cold air from below the bumper?

:bowrofl:

Now pupils, please pay attention...the world began with Booya and Eve....

Eve was a sweet young thing..not quite as nice as an apple, but yeah...anyway...

Booya was an ego driven S.O.B. who always dreamt of greater things...

To this day, there are still people who claim to be the great booya himself....



Now children, its these people we should steer clear of, as he will lead us into the tempatation of unreal horsepower, dirty hot females and no speed limits....very bad things indeed...

We must now heed the word of the lord and pronounce, Booya is evil@$$#!@# :bowrofl: :badgrin: :badgrin:

Yeah how much would the dual throttle bodies be with a stock engine to the setup shown? and are you getting cold air from below the bumper?

Hey Yogi-Bear...

if your intrested in costs best to contact me; but to give you an idea what needs to be completed pre-twin throttle bodies

a) full replacement aftermarket computer such as Haltech E6X
b) exhaust muffler replaced with lukely (orsimular) extractors (pacemakers worked well - its what i had)

the twin throttle bodies with the above expect a jump between 30-50hp at the wheels instantly. i added 46hp just by adding the extractors + ecu + twin throttle bodies.

to be honest, its is the best bolt-on N/A piece of hardware you can get.. i have yet to see a 40hp gain out of any other n/a mod without cracking the heads.

oh, and hp gain is only going to shoot through the roof with internal mods...


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Mark H - :thumbsup: damn straight out of the booya bible eh ;)

All Hail BOOYA

:bowdown: :bowdown:

We should spread the good of BOOYAISM,

Mod the crap out of your magna.

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Booya bibles will be given out at the door as u leave to get to your Magna.

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Tom

Booya you have me very interested with this setup ...

what factory options (e.g. cruise control etc) do you loose by fitting the Haltech if any?

Also could that black flexible ducting be replaced with stainless / polished piping of some description or would heat be an issue then? (Just thinking looks + hp) :D

Booya you have me very interested with this setup ...

what factory options (e.g. cruise control etc) do you loose by fitting the Haltech if any?

Also could that black flexible ducting be replaced with stainless / polished piping of some description or would heat be an issue then? (Just thinking looks + hp) :D

factory options;
cruze control;
- i lost cruse control not by replacing the ecu but by replacing the steering wheel + throttle bodies (they were done at the same time, so im not sure that the tb/ canceled the cruse control)
however cruse control is normally controlled via engine VACUUM; if this is the case with the magna factory option, then yes, you should not loose your cruise with this plennum/tb setup.

notes on ecu;
function;
- ECU controlled functions will be lost, specially when it comes to the new TH+ series of magna. such functions which WILL BE LOST under a full replacment ECU are as i know;

Trip computer (the DTE, ECONOMY (XX/100L), Fuel remaining)

The aircon will need to be rewired to work independantly of the ECU (took my auto sparky <1hour to rewire - basially, there is a AIRCON IMPUT and AIRCON OUTPUT on the ECU - join them :cool: )
***note on climate controlled magnas*** unsure if its as simple as the normal aircon rewiring.

your ability to travel is a short fall. because your car will no longer run a MAF sensor, unless it was tuned somewhere like alice springs (+1500m above sea level) you wont be able to drive from adelaide to alice, because the difference in air pressure, temp and density will affect engine proformance / *could* damage your engine. due to leaning/pinging etc.

NOTES;
as much as it is very nice to see instant 40+ hp gains, you have to realise you WILL be starting to convert your "family" car into something a little more extreme. Daily drivability, fuel consumpstion and the likes.

MORE NOTES;
This would be great if you ARE ready to make the next jump with your magna, or have another daily driver, and plan to use this car as second mode/night crawler. How many ponies you gain depends on how fine tuned your car is. To give you an idea, BOOYA atm, has its turbo bolted on as you know. ive also got precion throttle response + awesome highway economy. the down side is that, it spent 32hours on a dyno. now, most dyno shops charge around 120$/hour for their services....

The further up the NA/ Turbo ladder you climb, oviously the more tuning that will be required. More costs. sure, you can tune a "moderatly" modded magna in say, anywhere up to 5 hours. but even in my N/A form, it spent close to 15hours. The week before the 4,6 and rotary nats in adelaide, Dallas spent close to 12 hours tuning it for the very best. even then, really, we should of tuned it in adelaide to make use of its sea level air pressure + cooler temps :doubt:

Bottom line is if your looking for those 'real' parts that help you climb up the N/A ladder quickly, be prepered to do away with some of those good things, those tiny things you prolly wanted to spend that extra couple of $$ in the first place to get...

why when professional modifiers choose to mod a car, its always the base model? because they'd loose half the features anyway..

id love to sell everyone on this forum a twin setup throttle body.... but you need to know jus how far your legs are going into the mud :)

BOoya

Ok,

just had a talk with my man.... (im not gay) Dallas, and he's done a bit of work and now;


YES, we can made adaptor plates to suit to fit the MAS sensor, which means - YES you can now put it on a stock (no ecu) and piggy backed car!!!!

Street Torque will supply,
*manifold
*all the links, chains and all that to fit your 3rd gen engine.
*Adaptor plates and all piping will be supplied to fit your factory airbox.

bascally, you can just litterly unbolt your old on, bolt on your new on, and see INSTANT GAINS**

Street Torque recommends this upgrade in line with a Fuel pressure regulator.

price; yet to be confirmed will be done on a order-by-order basis, but budget for 1800$

**Will work with a STOCK vehicle, however, the most gains will be seen with a piggyback/full ecu.

Contact Myself Ben ****as on 08 89641945 or Dallas Tuxworth (Street Torque) 08 89527755 for more information and for ordering.

please note, we *believe* that the factory cruise control will not work with this current setup. No other features will be affected.

How do you run two throttle bodies the way you did with only one MAF sensor? I'm confoozed! :confused:

How do you run two throttle bodies the way you did with only one MAF sensor? I'm confoozed! :confused:

we would make a pipe that joins together -

MAF SENSOR - Y PIPE - one to STOCK POSITION TB other pipe folds infront of the manifold to SECOND throttle position..

both throttle bodies will be in sync.

Would'nt one MAF be a bit restrictive for 2 t/b's?

Would there be issues with the intake air travelling two different distances from the MAF to each T/B?

I suppose you don't know yet, do you? :P

Interesting idea, anyway.

Would there be issues with the intake air travelling two different distances from the MAF to each T/B?

I suppose you don't know yet, do you? :P

Interesting idea, anyway.


were not talking extractors here... air is air. airflow doesnt need to flow equal lenths.

Would'nt one MAF be a bit restrictive for 2 t/b's?

no, cos you can bolt a turbo up to a car and still run your MAF :cool:

no, cos you can bolt a turbo up to a car and still run your MAF :cool:
Yes but it's being forced.

I have seen an individual throtle body setup on an EB Falcon 5.0 V8 that idles smooth as any stock Magna and the power.torque spread was linear in it's delivery......it's all in the setup and tunning of it. :P

Personally the twin setup you had looks cheap (I'm not saying it doesn't work), it looks like a quicky backyard job. But hey if it works it works right? :D

I'd personally go for a custom plenum with recesed twin throtle bodies and slightlly lengthened intake runners exiting an enlarged plenum volume...mmmm dreams can be so sweet lol

Personally the twin setup you had looks cheap (I'm not saying it doesn't work), it looks like a quicky backyard job. But hey if it works it works right

only cos we used those black pipe things lol

look at the pics we used up there - have a look at the welding, and so forth.. was done properly


Yes but it's being forced

true, but your engine still produces a variation of "vacuum".

only cos we used those black pipe things lol

look at the pics we used up there - have a look at the welding, and so forth.. was done properly

Hehheeh true. Does Street Torque offer an adapter plate for a single AU T/B upgrade running the stock air box. Just like your twin setup with Y pipe, but for only one T/B in the factory position? :D

Looks like an interesting option... Especially if the stock computer could be retained - power figures would also be useful.

Any ballpark pricing figures?

Cheers
Heath Young

sorry guys, i haven't read the whole thread due to time constraint, so I don't know if it has been brought up. RPW now has developed a setup that incorporate their new designed oversize throttle body with their RPW intake manifold.

Yeah RPW are doing a nice twin throttle setup with a NOS fogger and custom enlarged plenum!

sorry guys, i haven't read the whole thread due to time constraint, so I don't know if it has been brought up. RPW now has developed a setup that incorporate their new designed oversize throttle body with their RPW intake manifold.

Oversize throttle body? Or did you mean the new twin T/B setup?

Oversize throttle body? Or did you mean the new twin T/B setup?

they are both inline... with a larger plenum... on one end...

my stup is to acheive true airflow at both ends of the plennum, making sure each cylinder gets an equal share of air.

they are both inline... with a larger plenum... on one end...

my stup is to acheive true airflow at both ends of the plennum, making sure each cylinder gets an equal share of air.

I know! :belt: :P

I was just checking with Anthony whether he knew about some new fangled oversize single T/B that RPW might be planning to start selling again, or if he just meant the new twin setup.

I know! :belt: :P

I was just checking with Anthony whether he knew about some new fangled oversize single T/B that RPW might be planning to start selling again, or if he just meant the new twin setup.

*dopey voice*
bah - sorry boss, i didnt know what you ment.... :shifty:

:P

Back in yer box, son! lol

*dopey voice*
bah - sorry boss, i didnt know what you ment.... :shifty:

:P

Hey you didn't answer my question desert boy :D , Does street torque offer adapter plates to fit an AU oversized T/B to a standard plenum, running the standard intake setup? :P

Hey you didn't answer my question desert boy :D , Does street torque offer adapter plates to fit an AU oversized T/B to a standard plenum, running the standard intake setup? :P

Can be done - will find out a price..

I may be converting the commodore over to independent runners (trumpets), on a map-based efi setup (kalmaker/delco) - if I do, I will let anyone who is curious about how it would go know what I find.

Cheers,

Dave

Can be done - will find out a price..

Cheers Booyaka, booyaka...jungle is massive :D

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I want this twin system (but a bit more flash lookin), pitty about what factory options have to be given up in exchange - that and the price for the ECU to be able to run it!!! :cry:

Can be done - will find out a price..

tell me a price too!!! can ya pls PM me benji??

so is there an adapter for fir the AU TB to the magna???

so is there an adapter for fir the AU TB to the magna???

im working on it!

also, a VERY important correction needs to be made, the AU stock TB is only around 72mm, but its the design of the AU tb that is far superior to the OEM magna unit.

Is it oval or circular?

Is it oval or circular?

an AU is OVAL

so whats the news? any progress?? :D