I have a man vrx, but are thinking about a ralliart manual, if i can get hold of one.
just wondering for those that have ralliarts, or have driven both. what are the differences between the two (manual vrx-manual ralliart). I know about the feature differences but what about all round performance and also handling? is it worth it?
i dont mind the look of them either. how much for the ralliart front skirt and wing if i want to put it on the vrx? (i know i need vin no.)
thanks

I personally prefer the exterior appearance of the VRX, obviously overall the Ralliart is a better car though. Don't flame me for saying this but I personally wouldn't fork out the required $$ for a FWD performance car like a Ralliart. I think they are roughly $27,000 or so. I would go as high as like $18,000 or so for the VRX though for a similar effect. To me anyway, $27,000 is entering the V8 market where you can get faster cars that look better, eg VX II SS for $25,000 and save yourself $2000. Alternatively it would probably be cheaper if you are planning on modding to just buy an XR6 Turbo for $32,000 or so. Don't get me wrong I actually like Ralliarts, but I think the VRX is a cheaper alternative for a somewhat similar driving experience and appearance. I think if you are prepared to fork out the cash you should look at V8 alternatives or 6 cylinder turbo alternatives for the same or similar price. So I would definitely stick with the VRX mate. They are a nice car and are pretty quick too. If you want a car that's faster, you're prob better off in the long run going with an AWD or RWD (better traction) -> see Booya as well as Dave's Twin turbo Magna. If you are keeping the car stock, a Ralliart would be pretty good even tho there are faster cars out there. It depends on what you want. Looks, Acceleration, Top speed, Handling, or just want to keep in the Mitsu family and get a Ralliart. If you want a sporty car I would stick with the VRX. They are nice. If you want a true performance car you can't look past a V8 SS or an XR6T Falcon. Sure we don't like mentioning them on this forum, but everyone knows they are faster. Just depends on what you want.

I personally prefer the exterior appearance of the VRX, obviously overall the Ralliart is a better car though. Don't flame me for saying this but I personally wouldn't fork out the required $$ for a FWD performance car like a Ralliart. I think they are roughly $27,000 or so. I would go as high as like $18,000 or so for the VRX though for a similar effect. To me anyway, $27,000 is entering the V8 market where you can get faster cars that look better, eg VX II SS for $25,000 and save yourself $2000. Alternatively it would probably be cheaper if you are planning on modding to just buy an XR6 Turbo for $32,000 or so. Don't get me wrong I actually like Ralliarts, but I think the VRX is a cheaper alternative for a somewhat similar driving experience and appearance. I think if you are prepared to fork out the cash you should look at V8 alternatives or 6 cylinder turbo alternatives for the same or similar price. So I would definitely stick with the VRX mate. They are a nice car and are pretty quick too. If you want a car that's faster, you're prob better off in the long run going with an AWD or RWD (better traction). If you are keeping the car stock, a Ralliart wouldn't be too bad tho.

yeah, i see your point. but $27,000 for a ralliart and $18,000 for a vrx is a bit hard to find.

or buy mine...

last time it was advertisted it was at 27,500, would eat a ralliart + turn more heads then a ferrari... guaranteed :cool:

haha.. not that im selling *right* at this moment :shifty:

ralliart has cams.... and would be tuned different... what else... no idea


i reckon it'd be better to spend the money difference betweent he ralliart and the vrx on mods to the vrx!

:stoopid: He's right. It's probably the cheapest, quickest magna you could get. Just make sure you insure it under your 350 year old great, great, great, great, great grandads name tho lol. I'd be happy with a VRX as it is dude.

:stoopid: He's right. It's probably the cheapest, quickest magna you could get. Just make sure you insure it under your 350 year old great, great, great, great, great grandads name tho lol

just dont tell the insurance company he wears glasses and is short sighted lol

just dont tell the insurance company he wears glasses and is short sighted lol

And that he is actually deceased :bowrofl:

i am very happy with my vrx, but i also like the look of the ralliart, with the low low front skirt and the rear wing, but the main thing is, is that extra power and performance noticable?

I know I shouldn't be saying this on this forum but if you want to spend $30k I would be looking at one of these. http://www.pickles.com.au/servlet/Auction/VehicleDetail?item_id=450261581

I know I shouldn't be saying this on this forum but if you want to spend $30k I would be looking at one of these. http://www.pickles.com.au/servlet/Auction/VehicleDetail?item_id=450261581

would love to but, insurance is a problem, that's the whole reason why i got a vrx (i am paying $900 full comp) and not a vx ss like i wanted, and also ralliart is cheap to insure as well.

I am not an expert but if you want a bit of reading material you can do a great comparison between the 2 on Carsales (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.welcome)... I cant post a link to the comparison screen but here are the seperate vehicles... when you do a comparison list you get heaps of specs. these are from the same year... prices are interesting!

Ralliart (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=20020305.1 4:37:22&sort_type=&current_rec=15&keyword=TJ%20Magna)

VS

TJ VRX (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=20020723.0 8:01:28&sort_type=&current_rec=10&keyword=TJ%20MAGNA)

I am not an expert but if you want a bit of reading material you can do a great comparison between the 2 on Carsales (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.welcome)... I cant post a link to the comparison screen but here are the seperate vehicles... when you do a comparison list you get heaps of specs. these are from the same year... prices are interesting!

Ralliart (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=20020305.1 4:37:22&sort_type=&current_rec=15&keyword=TJ%20Magna)

VS

TJ VRX (http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.research_specs?vehicle_code=20020723.0 8:01:28&sort_type=&current_rec=10&keyword=TJ%20MAGNA)

yeh, thanks hypertf. i have seen that one, its very useful, i used that when i was looking for my vrx. but i am trying to find out from a owner of a ralliart that has also driven a vrx, or the other way round. to know what the cars are really like on the road.

Difference apart from the obvious...

If you want to compaire to manuals and you go from the VRX to the Ralliart youwill notice a definate shove in the seat. The extra torque and power is noticeable and since the gearin gof both cars is the same it shows the 180kws makes a difference. You also get better suspension and handling, Koni shocks weren't used for nothing. Bigger better brakes, stops way better. and the LSD on manual's. Big dodgy in the wet but friggin unreal in the dry.

Oh and why would I not buy a XR6T, Fuel costs, a mate has one and he's selling cause the stupid thing drinks fuel like nothing on earth. I would rather go a little slower and have fuel economy than flat out and no money cause I have to stop at every petrol station

Yeah 03vrx have a chat with ralliart 410 on here he has owned both and should be able to give you a rundown. :D

if ur gonna do it up i wouldnt buy a ralliart id rather start from scratch ... if u want a stocky the ralliart is only a fraction quicker but has more better interior

if ur gonna do it up i wouldnt buy a ralliart id rather start from scratch ... if u want a stocky the ralliart is only a fraction quicker but has more better interior

plus you'd end up changing half the parts anyway

9g difference! woah, the vr-x could get a turbo conversion :P

plus i got a TH sports manual and is stockish.......i havnt been beaten convincingly by a ralliart yet quarter of a length at absoloute most ....

i also wor for a mitsu dealer...... i has driven every magna interms of performane the ralliart is impressive but not worth the extra 10 K u have to spend on it

ralliart does have better handling and stuff but u could get better suspension anyways and better perfomance buying a base model and putting go fast parks on it and kit it up for the same price as the ralliart ........ just something to consider

though not everyone wants to mod the hell out of a car ..... i just dont understand it when ppl buy the top of the line model and wanna do heaps of mods to it as booya said ull end up replacing the fsctory parts that u paid for with the better model, however im an idiot so dont listen to me:P

ralliart has cams.... and would be tuned different... what else... no idea


i reckon it'd be better to spend the money difference betweent he ralliart and the vrx on mods to the vrx!
in that case get a TP and boost it :P j/k

I personally prefer the exterior appearance of the VRX, obviously overall the Ralliart is a better car though. Don't flame me for saying this but I personally wouldn't fork out the required $$ for a FWD performance car like a Ralliart. I think they are roughly $27,000 or so. I would go as high as like $18,000 or so for the VRX though for a similar effect. To me anyway, $27,000 is entering the V8 market where you can get faster cars that look better, eg VX II SS for $25,000 and save yourself $2000. Alternatively it would probably be cheaper if you are planning on modding to just buy an XR6 Turbo for $32,000 or so. Don't get me wrong I actually like Ralliarts, but I think the VRX is a cheaper alternative for a somewhat similar driving experience and appearance. I think if you are prepared to fork out the cash you should look at V8 alternatives or 6 cylinder turbo alternatives for the same or similar price. So I would definitely stick with the VRX mate. They are a nice car and are pretty quick too. If you want a car that's faster, you're prob better off in the long run going with an AWD or RWD (better traction) -> see Booya as well as Dave's Twin turbo Magna. If you are keeping the car stock, a Ralliart would be pretty good even tho there are faster cars out there. It depends on what you want. Looks, Acceleration, Top speed, Handling, or just want to keep in the Mitsu family and get a Ralliart. If you want a sporty car I would stick with the VRX. They are nice. If you want a true performance car you can't look past a V8 SS or an XR6T Falcon. Sure we don't like mentioning them on this forum, but everyone knows they are faster. Just depends on what you want.

I use to own a VX SS, i'd take a ralliart any day over it. They don't pull hard until 70, and the gear box is such a long, slow throw. It was a clunky horrible shift.
A person with a brain would buy a ralliart, and the not so wise..... an SS.

Buy a VRX then turbo it

Yeah 03vrx have a chat with ralliart 410 on here he has owned both and should be able to give you a rundown. :D

Here here... As sLug mentioned i have had 2 TJ VRX and now a Ralliart. To be honest i really haven't noticed a big difference in terms of power but braking and handling is a big improvement. It is dissapointing that the extra 17kw doesn't really stand out! So all in all i would recommend a VRX and do some suspension / brake mods to it.

I use to own a VX SS, i'd take a ralliart any day over it. They don't pull hard until 70, and the gear box is such a long, slow throw. It was a clunky horrible shift.
A person with a brain would buy a ralliart, and the not so wise..... an SS.

Not sure about that remark. My mate has a VX SS (Auto though) and sure was pushing me real hard in the seat at takeoff. There is no way my Ralliart would keep up with it. No way at all.

Not sure about that remark. My mate has a VX SS (Auto though) and sure was pushing me real hard in the seat at takeoff. There is no way my Ralliart would keep up with it. No way at all.

I have been in Auto Gen3's and they are nothing spectacular. That Auto Gen3 must of been modded, because I had a stock super 6 for a short while which kept up with stock auto Gen3's. The Manuals are like a completly diffrent car, go like a rocket ship.
You can get like 35 kw by changing the exhaust and headers, so they are cheap to mod for big gains (that's the VT and VX's I am refering too)


Oh I forgot to mention the engine problems. Look out for oil consumptopn and rattles on start up. I had both of these, and Holden didn't seem to care.
Also make sure your good mates with some guys at a tyer shop if you have an SS, the IRS is a poor design and the camber is always out (a camber kit does help, but even then still it's not perfect with it)

but on a good note the VY and on have little or no problems as far as I know

I don't know how you call people who would rather a VX SS over a Ralliart unwise. They outsell magnas many times over. If you're basing it on quickness as you say, it has been proven time and time again that the gen 3 will eat up any stock magna. :nuts: I would imagine that a person who is serious about cars and making them fast would much rather have a RWD V8 then a FWD V6. As suggested, there are other factors like insurance that turn people off, but you can't honestly say that any stock magna is faster than a VX SS. That is just ridiculous. In fact in all reality the Ralliart shouldn't even be compared to the SS in any way other than price which is why I suggested in. They are completely different cars performance wise. A more equal comparison would be comparing it to the 190kw SV6. I think the Ralliarts are a great car. I can't say I wouldn't want one if I was given one but I think you are getting a bit carried away when you say that anyone who would rather a SS commodore to a Ralliart is unwise based on the reasons you gave - gutless until 70km/h. Whilst they are very good performers over 80km/h, they certainly aren't gutless before then I can assure you. Obviously some of the gen 3's had oil problems, but you must have got a lemon because the majority of the people I know who have one don't have problems with them. And when the SS commodores come out at the beginning of next year with approximately 300kw of power - LS2, you can say goodbye to any Magna even trying to compete with them. I actually don't even like Commodores that much, but I know what they are capable of, and I definitely wouldn't be thinking of lining up any Gen 3 commodore unless you had significant mods to your magna.

Paragraphs wouldn't go astray.

I had a tip-auto TH Sports before the Ralliart manual. I will say the difference between the two is huge, in terms of outright acceleration, as well as general handling (and I modded the TH suspension completely, but the LSD Ralliart still handles better again). Compared to a VRX manual, maybe the difference isn't as huge.

I bought the Ralliart only a couple of months ago, and for around the same money, I also considered an XR6T. Overall, I went with the Ralliart because it's a manual and while you can get XR6T's with a manual, they're rare and apparently the manual in the BA Mk I was crap. Also I didn't like the insurance issues and turbo life issues (had a Pulsar ET Turbo some years ago). And at the end of the day, the Magna really is a sweet vehicle, made better in just about all the right areas by the Ralliart version.

Could a Ralliart seriously beat a Gen III SS? Probably mostly not, at least not in standard form. That said, I've certainly beaten an SV8 to 80kmh, and only lost narrowly to a VY SS, and he was definitely flogging it hard to beat me (and I think he got a bit of a fright as he was probably expecting an easy win). And I reckon it would clean up an SV6, which as someone else pointed out, is probably a more realistic competitor.

I own both-- a VRX 2002 and a Ralliart 2002, both excellent cars no issues--i have done some work on the vrx suspension--out handles the ralliart(for now) but engine wise, just put it this way , i gave the VRX to my Wife. the Ralliart kicks its ass easily. the torque it got is quiet amazing for a 6 cylinder, not as good as the brothers SS but it comes close--will get closer with some up and coming mods. he is even impressed--
As for front wheel drive , slap a strut brase on it , whiteline non adjustable rear sway bar(124% increase on the original) it will shown the SS up in the bends quiet easily, **** it nearly does with out the mods.
i hated magnas 5 yrs ago, they have impressed me enough, i own 2 of them
If you find the excelleration lacking abit up to 70 kms--add a unifilter and flow the throttle body, it helps

my vrx handles ok, now with the lowered springs, but it's still a long way off where i want it. But as people have said it's cheaper to mod a vrx than buy a ralliart, and that's what i will most likely do.
but would still love to get that kit!

[QUOTE=Pikachu] If you're basing it on quickness as you say, it has been proven time and time again that the gen 3 will eat up any stock magna. :nuts:

Did I ever mention anything about a stock magna? The whole thread is about the ralliarts :gtfo:

If cost is an issue, get the VR-X, it's a very nice car. If you can afford the higher price, get the Ralliart.

As for VX SS, I take great plaesure in beating them at track days :D Especially in the wet :bowrofl: .



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Price wise--i picked my Ralliart up for $25000 with 16000km and 1yr 11month warranty on it(new car)--bargain