Crow Cams mild = $198
RPW Cams = $310

Anyone know what the differences are performance wise? reliability?

Use gets what use pays for. Some regrinds are crap. Ask around. Not familiar with either but crow been around a long time, good rep.......but so has RPW. Usually the wallet dictates.

if you have a diesel magna - go rpw...

if not - nothing wrong with crow cams :cool:

Are the crow cams regrinds?

I didn't think crow did cams for magnas for any kind.

I am very interested in getting Stage 2 cams in the next month or so, which to go for PRW or CROW, where can i get Crow cams from?? any body got any prices on these?

Damn all these people with piggy back ecus keep springing out of the woodwork. Where are the dyno sheets, that's what i want to know.

Ill post some dyno sheets up next week, when it actiually gets installed hehe
Any body know how much i should be putting out?? oh and priices on Cams stage 2 please

Would be extremly curious what options are available from CrowCams...

Would be extremly curious what options are available from CrowCams...

There are none as far as I know ... but i'd be happy to be proven wrong. :D

Any body know how much i should be putting out??

What does your girlfriend say? :bowrofl: Oh, you mean from your engine.. a 3.5L with those sorts of mods gets ~ 145 - 155kW at the wheels. You're the first 3L I've heard of to get a chip.


oh and priices on Cams stage 2 please

RPW don't like to give out pricing on forums... and Dave doesn't come around here no more.. maybe send a PM to Anthony or post in the Philcom section. I think their cams are around $1300 plus you'll need the vernier cam gears and upgraded valve springs.. then there's labour and stuff.

No idea about crow cams.

Edit: Fixed deliberate mistake :redface:

really, I swear that there is heapsa 3.0ls with chips on the forums, or i could be wrong, but im pretty sure there is.

escuse me if this sounds stupid or wrong but isnt 155hp only like 100 kws at the wheels??

I am also very interested in whether Crow Cams are available... I didn't believe that they did but I will hold on to hope.

I have a 3.0 Auto with GReddy EManage.. The guy who installed mine had a lot of difficulties as he had no install diagrams for a Magna and tuning conditions weren't great at the time... he stated he believes he got about 9kw gain but said I should get another dyno to be sure The dyno sheet he gave me was just under 9kw gain (before to after) at peak. I believe that it needs a retune and that there is possibly more to be gained from the unit yet. When I have a good flow of money again, I will get someone to look over it again and retune. Besides a few mods have been done since then.

but its not like u ahve a fully sik turbo so u cant complain :D also magnas rnt performance vehicles read magna's are slow thread

escuse me if this sounds stupid or wrong but isnt 155hp only like 100 kws at the wheels??

Whoops, you're right. I meant 145-155kW ATW.. or 195hp+

From reading previous threads on the forums, there are currently no Crow cams for V6 magnas but as I understand it, they will be releasing them in the future. When that is exactly, I do not know.

They do however have then for the 4 cylinder models, as Paddles, a fellow member has recently had one placed in his engine. :P

im having my cams done by crow. they have been sent all ready.crow have been doing cams since time began and as for the other brand well dont need to say much there.
if you sent your cams to crow tell them the speck you want and they will regrind yours
but you have to now everything about what you want

Crow cams will honour their warranty...

I went into autobarn and they said roughly about $200. Anthony said RPW ones cost $310, he's getting back to me on how much crow cams will cost me through him. I had a look in the crow cams catalogue and nothing there about newer magnas, as far as the catalogue was concerned there were about 8 options :-
2 for Sigma
2 for turbo sigma
2 for magna
2 for 91+magna (TR/TS astron II motors).

These were for the astron motor. I think i might go with crow cams, was just wondering if anyone here who had installed them felt any big differences with them?

im having my cams done by crow. they have been sent all ready.crow have been doing cams since time began and as for the other brand well dont need to say much there.
if you sent your cams to crow tell them the speck you want and they will regrind yours
but you have to now everything about what you want

So your cams are regrinds then?

Also not fair comparing regrinds to new billets, but hey.

Also not fair comparing regrinds to new billets, but hey.
Agreed, regrinds can be noisy. New billets all the way. Unfortunately unless you have a camp profile in mind, RPW are the only mob who have V6 cams available.


What does your girlfriend say? :bowrofl: Oh, you mean from your engine.. a 3.5L with those sorts of mods gets ~ 145 - 155kW at the wheels. You're the first 3L I've heard of to get a chip.
Try 130 - 135 tops, love to see a chart though. Phonic has a Unichip but I don't think he's transfered it into his new car yet.


he stated he believes he got about 9kw gain but said I should get another dyno to be sure The dyno sheet he gave me was just under 9kw gain (before to after) at peak. I believe that it needs a retune and that there is possibly more to be gained from the unit yet.
Apparently there's three maps to tune with. One Ignition and two Injection. Most tuners not familiar with the system won't come close to getting the most out of it. Peak power isn't everything either, how was torque across the rpm range affected?

where would i get these maps from, i have the unit,ignition harness and injector harness. i want this to get tuned well the first time, i mean like get the most out of it, how would i go about doing that? where should it be taken? any people in Vic able to help with maps?

Regards pat

Try 130 - 135 tops, love to see a chart though. Phonic has a Unichip but I don't think he's transfered it into his new car yet.

You don't reckon a 3L would be good for 135 - 140 kW? Manual's car was pulling 197hp or something wasn't it? True, he had a 70mm over-sized throttle body... and wasn't TZABOY's clocked at 154kW?

Either way, I bet you're just as interested as I am to see what a 3L can get with a chip :D Bring it on.

Crow Cams are avaliable for magna's??? Will definatly have to follow that up as Crow make very good quality gear! Definatly crow over RPW

Crow Cams are avaliable for magna's??? Will definatly have to follow that up as Crow make very good quality gear! Definatly crow over RPW
AS far as the catalogue was concerned only for the astron and astron II motors (mainly for the astron I though). Looks like this will be in the list of things to do in july, list atm includes :-
-Major Service
-Tune up
-Crow Cams
-Valve stem seals, maybe piston rings as well
Possibly sports headers and a 2 1/4 inch cat back system :). That should get the old 4 banger going abit harder.

Use gets what use pays for. Some regrinds are crap. Ask around. Not familiar with either but crow been around a long time, good rep.......but so has RPW. Usually the wallet dictates. I agree with Blake,Crows over rpw's 4 sure:P
Mint price too Envy!:cool::cool:

You don't reckon a 3L would be good for 135 - 140 kW? Manual's car was pulling 197hp or something wasn't it? True, he had a 70mm over-sized throttle body... and wasn't TZABOY's clocked at 154kW?

Either way, I bet you're just as interested as I am to see what a 3L can get with a chip :D Bring it on.
Don't get me wrong, the 3.0 can be as powerful as the 3.5 but there's a couple of factors here.

a) yeah, the OS TB would be a factor, how much I don't know.
b) the GReddy probably won't be done by someone who know's the GReddy system like Dave and his tuner
c) the hub dyno that they use has a tendancy to read 10-15 percent higher figures than the chassis dyno's everyone else use.

I had a 3.0 with ground TB, CAI w/pod/ extractors exhaust and unichip and got 132kW at the wheels on a dyno dynamics.

TR-Envy am interested to hear how it goes with the cam. pls let us know when you get it and for how much. Also you said 2 for TR/TS magnas, whats the difference between the two?

Agreed, regrinds can be noisy. New billets all the way. Unfortunately unless you have a camp profile in mind, RPW are the only mob who have V6 cams available




if you want noisy cams go for the rpw cams and then your car can sound like a disel
but if you want nice quite one that are s*** hot crows the way to go

I work for a Melbourne based Company...WADE CAMS. We've been in business for 43 years. I take it none of you guys have ever heard of us.

I'll have a talk to our camshaft technicians tomorrow and see what we can come up with.

I certainly have... for goodness sakes... where did you come from lol... very interested mate... :drool:

Cheers

I certainly have... for goodness sakes... where did you come from lol... very interested mate... :drool:

Cheers

I've been hiding.

I work for a Melbourne based Company...WADE CAMS. We've been in business for 43 years. I take it none of you guys have ever heard of us.

I'll have a talk to our camshaft technicians tomorrow and see what we can come up with.
Ok ii'll be interested to see some prices/statistics if you do come up with anything.

I work for a Melbourne based Company...WADE CAMS. We've been in business for 43 years. I take it none of you guys have ever heard of us.

I'll have a talk to our camshaft technicians tomorrow and see what we can come up with.

Hehe, of course we've heard of you, most of the big drag boys use wade cams :P
This could be interesting, on of our own working for a cam company - woot

Matthius

sweet! based in melbourne too :D I'm looking for some cams to get sometime soon. Only prob is after issues with nick and RPW ive been reluctant.

if you want noisy cams go for the rpw cams and then your car can sound like a disel
but if you want nice quite one that are s*** hot crows the way to go
Well, I'd go Crow too as they make quality products. Now seeing as though there's only three people on this forum who have tired RPW cams, we still don't know if theirs are good or bad.

The 'stage' 1's weren't timed correctly
The 'stage' 2's had issues
Turbo ones unsure


I work for a Melbourne based Company...WADE CAMS. We've been in business for 43 years. I take it none of you guys have ever heard of us.

I'll have a talk to our camshaft technicians tomorrow and see what we can come up with.
Been waiting for you to pipe up :) I think last time you said you could supply new billets but didn't have profiles available. Just make sure that if you do look into it, we do have three V6 engines where people would be keen to have cams for.

Just make sure that if you do look into it, we do have three V6 engines where people would be keen to have cams for.

Make that four ;)

I want cams nooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww!


Awaiting egarly, rung up Coventry's in Perth, apparently theres no Crow cams as of yet.
Basically ill go anywere for cams but RPW given others previous experiences

I would be interested BUT I live in the states. Well depending on how much it'd cost I might be interested as I have ported the heads and have not yet installed it on the car yet. I assume they are new cams and not regrinds but maybe I am wrong. thanks let us know. :D

The main problem as far as supplying performance cams for the 3.0L and 3.5L engines comes down to the availability of semi-finished cams (billets, castings, whatever you want to call them).

Manufacturers in the USA don't seem to be interested. We have recently received reliable shipments from a manufacturer in Turkey who produces top quality chilled cast iron billets and steel roller cams. We are hopeful that they will be able to produce cams for the 6G72 and 6G74 engines as well. Once we have the billets, were're up and away. We've recently done quite a few cams for the EVO 5, 6 & 7 with good results.

The thing that you guys need to be absolutely sure of is that you can modify, reprogram or replace your engine management system. I'm not familiar with the ECM in the Magna/Verada
but l can tell you it can be a critical factor. Some ECM's ( eg. EA to EL Falcon 6 ) will, over time "learn" and adapt to a modified cam. Most won't however. Anyway, l'm sure most of you already know all this stuff.

So, l hear you say, never mind all that crap, when can we get some cams? Soon l hope.
I will endeavor to give you some info in the next few days. I'd be curious to know where RPW get their billets from, assuming they can supply them!

Cheers

Chris
WADE CAMS

For what it's worth, RPW recommend but don't insist that you use an interceptor of some sort with their Stage 1 variety cams, but require it for Stage 2 and above.

For my money I'd take it as a given that if you're going down the cam path you want to look at some kind of after market computer to get the most out of it - anything more than a mild change and the static maps in the factory computer just won't cope.. even if the computer can re-learn to stoich in closed loop it's not going to help in high load open loop mode where the power is made.

Anyway.. hurry up with the cams already :poke: lol

I think the main concern will be what profile. Yup, a mild cam will be okay with a factory tune but the science comes into play with your profile numbers. Sure, you guys could mill out cams to whatever specs but I'd dare say there's probably no one here who could come up with a workable profile from scratch. There's going to be some RnD needed.

The main problem as far as supplying performance cams for the 3.0L and 3.5L engines comes down to the availability of semi-finished cams (billets, castings, whatever you want to call them).

Manufacturers in the USA don't seem to be interested. We have recently received reliable shipments from a manufacturer in Turkey who produces top quality chilled cast iron billets and steel roller cams. We are hopeful that they will be able to produce cams for the 6G72 and 6G74 engines as well. Once we have the billets, were're up and away. We've recently done quite a few cams for the EVO 5, 6 & 7 with good results.

The thing that you guys need to be absolutely sure of is that you can modify, reprogram or replace your engine management system. I'm not familiar with the ECM in the Magna/Verada
but l can tell you it can be a critical factor. Some ECM's ( eg. EA to EL Falcon 6 ) will, over time "learn" and adapt to a modified cam. Most won't however. Anyway, l'm sure most of you already know all this stuff.

So, l hear you say, never mind all that crap, when can we get some cams? Soon l hope.
I will endeavor to give you some info in the next few days. I'd be curious to know where RPW get their billets from, assuming they can supply them!

Cheers

Chris
WADE CAMS

No don't get from whoever does RPW cams. Heard some back feedback on these. Sound like a diesel engine, and some one had to actually throw them away cause there werent up to spec. Yeah US manufacturers wouldn't be interested cause they don't have a strong following of the Diamante here..

I am not sure what you mean when you say "adapt or "relearn". Well I read info about this on the rpw page, and it indicates that ECU modification is not required.

Quote "I am not sure what you mean when you say "adapt or "relearn". Well I read info about this on the rpw page, and it indicates that ECU modification is not required"

The EA/EL Ford 6 engine, for example, will, over a period of a couple of weeks driving learn to adapt to the mild cam profiles that we supply for that engine. Result - on average about 6kw's gain at very little cost. No other modifications.

I don't know about the ECU in the Mitsubishi so l can't comment.

As far as the ability to design cams...We have been producing cam profiles from computer generated data for many years. Our checking equipment will measure to six decimal places.
We can measure a camshaft bending by breathing on it. I don't want to come across as arrogant but a large measure of successful cam design comes down to experience. Once you establish the specifications of a cam ( as standard ) it's not rocket science to come up with an improved ( performance ) grind.

From reading previous threads on the forums, there are currently no Crow cams for V6 magnas but as I understand it, they will be releasing them in the future. When that is exactly, I do not know.

They will probably release cams for the Avalon first! :doubt:

I'd be curious to know where RPW get their billets from, assuming they can supply them!


RPW don't make their own cams, they're outsourced and onsold - with several sets of markups applied for each handling company. They're probably sourced from the US anyway. :disgusted

does rpw even have the equiptment to regrind cams or grind a billet :confused:

its not a cheap machine i can tell you that, there isn't even one in townsville.

I have heard that they dont.


So if you were to start making them now, how long would it take for you to start selling these. By mild cam what do you mean? Would this be like RPWs stage 1 or stage 2 or like a ralliart cam? I would be more interested in stage 1.

cam id be after would be stage 2. How long till these would be available? I'm actually wanting to get something like this in the next 2 months.

If you want I can go to my back yard, break off some tree branches and stick RPW stickers on them and give them to you half price, as this is about all any RPW product is worth

The difference is that Crow know what they are doing, RPW do not make or profile thier cams, they get them done. Thomas would not know a camshaft from a wheel nut

No don't get from whoever does RPW cams. Heard some back feedback on these. Sound like a diesel engine, and some one had to actually throw them away cause there werent up to spec. Yeah US manufacturers wouldn't be interested cause they don't have a strong following of the Diamante here..

I am not sure what you mean when you say "adapt or "relearn". Well I read info about this on the rpw page, and it indicates that ECU modification is not required.

Yes, he also threw away several vavles and several thousand dollars which thomas said he would refund but true to his word never did

does rpw even have the equiptment to regrind cams or grind a billet :confused:

its not a cheap machine i can tell you that, there isn't even one in townsville.

if they dont, then your paying for double handling.

Can you get Ralliart cams and stick em in a 3.5ltr Sports without any ECU tuning?
What stage are the Ralliart cams 1, 2 or 3?

RPW cams… amazing how much opinion there is on a product so few people have actually tried! :D

I have personally experienced 3 sets of RPW cams:

- Stage 1 NA cams (with vernier gears and upgraded value springs in my own car, pre-turbo)
- Stage 2 Turbo cams in my own car right now
- Stage 2 Turbo cams in the RPW TT Magna

None of these engines sound like diesel engines. In fact several members in Sydney when I was still NA wanted to know how I got the engine to sound so awesome… the cams improved the engine sound and exhaust note significantly.

And hearing it on the dyno was incredible. I attended a dyno day last year hosted by 'Sydney Cruise Register'. As soon as my car started running, the entire crowd of 30 or so people heard it and came over to watch, in amazement! :cool:

Unfortunately the cams were never timed properly in Sydney, and as a result I never saw their maximum potential. Installing cams spot on, is a work of art. :cry:

Going back a couple of years, RPW did have some problems with their cam manufacturer, not producing a consistent profile etc, but from my experiences, this is all in the past.

As far as the ability to design cams...We have been producing cam profiles from computer generated data for many years. Our checking equipment will measure to six decimal places.
We can measure a camshaft bending by breathing on it. I don't want to come across as arrogant but a large measure of successful cam design comes down to experience. Once you establish the specifications of a cam ( as standard ) it's not rocket science to come up with an improved ( performance ) grind.
No, that's not arrogance, you're just stating what you do and what you know. I was also thinking in terms of getting the right data for the characteristics of our 6G72 and 6G74 engines. I've seen cam / engine software and there's a fair bit to input and none of us would know the flow rates and stuff like that. I'm not sure how close it matches what you guys use but suspect it might lack a little.

Hey, I've also heard that the way the cams fit up between the 3.0 and 3.5 engines is different. How would this be taken into account for fitment between the engines or would profiles be specifically designed for both engines seperatly? What about requiring adjustable cam gears?


RPW cams… amazing how much opinion there is on a product so few people have actually tried! :D
Agreed. (Man, you beat me to it :P)


No don't get from whoever does RPW cams. Heard some back feedback on these. Sound like a diesel engine, and some one had to actually throw them away cause there werent up to spec.
So, how many people have you heard from? There's only been three vocal people on this forum who have actually tried them. Everyone else has said they are crap based on one of these people. Whilst the service in that instance was rather questionable, it's not a fair statement considering the 2nd set from what I understand were good but fitted incorrectly.


Can you get Ralliart cams and stick em in a 3.5ltr Sports without any ECU tuning?
What stage are the Ralliart cams 1, 2 or 3?
Probably. They'll fit fine but you might as well get a proper tune to go with it. If you go by this 'stage' theory they they're between the base profile and 'stage' 1.

Can you get Ralliart cams and stick em in a 3.5ltr Sports without any ECU tuning?

Yes


What stage are the Ralliart cams 1, 2 or 3?

Ralliart Magna cam shafts are more mild than what RPW call their Stage 1.

Yeah Ralliart cams are like .5 stage. I want a little bit more but I don't wanna upgrade the valve springs just the cams. And that's why I only want stage 1. I already have put in a order for adjustable timin gear so I am couple of steps ahead.

RPW BILLETED STAGE 1-3 CAMshafts are around the $1000 mark.

Stage 2 and above need Vernier Camshaft Gears at around $120ea.

RPW BILLETED STAGE 1-3 CAMshafts are around the $1000 mark.

Stage 2 and above need Vernier Camshaft Gears at around $120ea.

And not to forget upgraded valve springs to cope witht he increased force. :D

So if Dave was so serious about his product why is Nick still out of pocket many thousands of $$ and many weeks without a car.

Fair enough was 18 months ago but that makes no difference.

The history of people being reamed by RPW is larger then the happy customers.

Pomejo got done with his brakes, he approached Thomas, who pretty much told him stiff, until he posted on AM then Thomas had a tantrum and never came back

Then there is KB's extractors.

A couple throttle bodies, with extra springs on them wrapped around the side of the TB so the butterfly will close etc etc

I believe Manual had trouble to a small extent

And most importantly the fact 4 people can call him in a week and get 4 different prices.

So much for supporting the community

I believe, as I have said before, Dave could have a good thing going if he learnt to look after his customers, he could in fact make a killing on his products.

I think they are making a killing cause they don't have competitors. :badgrin:


Back to Crow cams.

And not to forget upgraded valve springs to cope witht he increased force

yer, and 750$ later from a perth based company.... i reckon id get the same effect by using the springs found in a BIC pen :doubt:

RPW - yikes

Hey!, Wade Cams is finally looking at magna cams and stuff, coolies, i called you guys up like a year ago and said you didn't have any, 1 reason i didn't go buy a magna coz there wasn't to many 'good' performance parts for them, but now things are changing a little, and now changed my mind can't stay away from em, to good :P so going to get a 3.5 TJ magna, and i'll be in all the way for a wade cam, my ford club (will not mention what one), has had very good results with them and i have also got a wade cam before maybe about a year ago (for a 4.1 litre 6 at the time)(now i own a fuel injected 5 litre), it was very good, and so i'd be into getting one again for the magna i get, i'd be looking at one that needs mods but not to many, as i will have a semi-auto or auto 3.5 TJ, but the best i could get.

:js: Go Wade Cams! :bowdown:

RPW cams… amazing how much opinion there is on a product so few people have actually tried! :D

I have personally experienced 3 sets of RPW cams:

- Stage 1 NA cams (with vernier gears and upgraded value springs in my own car, pre-turbo)
- Stage 2 Turbo cams in my own car right now
- Stage 2 Turbo cams in the RPW TT Magna

None of these engines sound like diesel engines. In fact several members in Sydney when I was still NA wanted to know how I got the engine to sound so awesome… the cams improved the engine sound and exhaust note significantly.

And hearing it on the dyno was incredible. I attended a dyno day last year hosted by 'Sydney Cruise Register'. As soon as my car started running, the entire crowd of 30 or so people heard it and came over to watch, in amazement! :cool:

Unfortunately the cams were never timed properly in Sydney, and as a result I never saw their maximum potential. Installing cams spot on, is a work of art. :cry:

Going back a couple of years, RPW did have some problems with their cam manufacturer, not producing a consistent profile etc, but from my experiences, this is all in the past.I can vouch for the Dyno Day experience, all us Magna people waited eagerly for your car to go up. When it did it sounded like most other Magnas down low, but the sound really came into its own when the operator put the boot in. Nothing quite like having Die Hard Commodore guys standing around with comments like "What the F**K has he got in that?"
I think I still have the video here somewhere

jay04 is correct. Ralliart cams is Stage 0.5

as for RPW and why they charge so much..... well, it's all to do with the time they have spent in designing and testing. They have to take a risk at the start to invest money and effort, parts and even a test car to do the product design. All those time ain't free. They need to pay for all that, plus labour, plus rent, time and a bit of profit so they can move on to their next investment. So if everyone knocks them or buy stuff from other "copies" or their suppose manufacturers, then RPW wont' get the profit and so they have no money to do any more research. Then you have nothing but some mass manufacturer ripping you off.

Secondly is the fact that they send their design offshore or to other people to make.... what's wrong with that?!?! Mitsubishi don't make all their own products. shocks, springs, hoses, tyres, brakes, windows, even mirrors and body panels are not made by Mitsubishi. They are all designed or commissioned by Mitsubishi, but they are all made by someone else. Why? Because it's cheaper. Why do it all yourself when you can get someone who is an expert in making exhaust pipes to do it at a much lower cost?!?! It's just usual manufacturing rule. RPW researches and designs, others make from their design.

Sorry for the rant guys, but something needs to be set straight once and for all. :rant:

ok, this soap box will self destruct in 5 seconds....... :redface:

I personally never had a bad dealing with them. But just the fact that there are bad rumors going around about thier cams makes you think twice. I don't know if they fixed this or not but you get the point. I think 1K for a 2 sets of cam is too much. And how many times would you need to do research and have it tested on cars on the same product. :D


Now back to Crow cams. Any updates?

Or how many customers cars would you have to experiment on before you realised your design did not work

So if Dave was so serious about his product why is Nick still out of pocket many thousands of $$ and many weeks without a car.

Fair enough was 18 months ago but that makes no difference.
That's the main bad experience. I'm not saying that there wasn't anything wrong with the outcome and I'm not trying to defend Dave. What I am saying that two thirds of this forum will happily bad mouth his cams when Nick's only one of two people who have tried their cams in an N/A car and has been an active member of this forum. Sure, what happened wasn't pretty and would obviously cause people to be sceptical, me included, but that doesn't mean they can pass judgement on products they're not experienced with. Anyway, I don't think it's something that's going to be repeated.


Now back to Crow cams. Any updates?
It's Wade, not Crow.

Hey!, Wade Cams is finally looking at magna cams and stuff, coolies, i called you guys up like a year ago and said you didn't have any, 1 reason i didn't go buy a magna coz there wasn't to many 'good' performance parts for them, but now things are changing a little, and now changed my mind can't stay away from em, to good :P so going to get a 3.5 TJ magna, and i'll be in all the way for a wade cam, my ford club (will not mention what one), has had very good results with them and i have also got a wade cam before maybe about a year ago (for a 4.1 litre 6 at the time)(now i own a fuel injected 5 litre), it was very good, and so i'd be into getting one again for the magna i get, i'd be looking at one that needs mods but not to many, as i will have a semi-auto or auto 3.5 TJ, but the best i could get.

:js: Go Wade Cams! :bowdown:

Thanks for the kind words...I'll pay you later. We haven't done cams in the past for the Magna's because we haven't been able to get "billets" for grinding. That may very well still be the case. We are awaiting a response from the foundry.

Chris
WADE CAMS

My bad sorry, Wade not crow. Thanks for correcting me.

Thanks for the update.

That may very well still be the case. We are awaiting a response from the foundry.
I know, lets buy clean billets from RPW and send them your way :bowrofl:


Err... sorry :D

even mirrors and body panels are not made by Mitsubishi. They are all designed or commissioned by Mitsubishi, but they are all made by someone else. Why? Because it's cheaper.




Actually, at MM03 (we larnt) when we did the plant tours - Mitsubishi is one of the ONLY companies that make around 85% of their car. all the interior trims, pannels, dash, and seats are made in house :D - oh, they also make their OWN engines in oz, using components MADE in their Tonsley plantn (pistons, blocks, heads, cams and all that ARE made in tonsley in adelaide... hehehe

just so everyone knows where MMAL stand on that comment lol

Thats good. Makes me feel proud.

Waiting for cams for these cars is as hard as counting the number of decals on booya's car :rant:

Actually, at MM03 (we larnt) when we did the plant tours - Mitsubishi is one of the ONLY companies that make around 85% of their car. all the interior trims, pannels, dash, and seats are made in house :D - oh, they also make their OWN engines in oz, using components MADE in their Tonsley plantn (pistons, blocks, heads, cams and all that ARE made in tonsley in adelaide... hehehe

just so everyone knows where MMAL stand on that comment lol

I'll have a go at contacting Mitsubishi tomorrow. Wade cams supplied Chrysler Australia as they were called then with all the E38 and E49 cams for the Hemi Valiant. They might be receptive to supplying us with their own semi finished cams. Worth a try!

Chris
WADE CAMS

I'll have a go at contacting Mitsubishi tomorrow. Wade cams supplied Chrysler Australia as they were called then with all the E38 and E49 cams for the Hemi Valiant. They might be receptive to supplying us with their own semi finished cams. Worth a try!

Chris
WADE CAMS

I, and all that went to MM03 Plant Tour, SAW them spin their own cams using the cool machine :cool:

I, and all that went to MM03 Plant Tour, SAW them spin their own cams using the cool machine :cool:

Were the cams "semi finished" and in the final stages of grinding?

I think they are making a killing cause they don't have competitors. :badgrin:

Give it time, I'm working on a few little packages. Notably longer extractors for better low to mid torque (You know, the rev range you drive in 99.61849712% of the time :) ). Also on my engineering list is a variable length intake manifold, split intake manifold with twin tbs, oversized (not just flowed) tbs and other good, basis stuff.

Will let the community know when we're after test vehicles etc. Would like to cater for all Generations in the Family :cool:

Agree with you there Booya, they do make their own seat and engine, trim and dash. Therefore those items weren't in my statement. 10 years ago I was at the Tonsley Plant doing work experience and sewing their seats and testing the camshafts which flew in from Japan. As for their body panel and mirror, they are made at Tonsley, but they are actually designed by other companies which their designers drive Phillcom Rally sponsored cars.

Anyway I think we have missed the point here. We are talking about not everyone design and make their own products. Often they out-source to minimise cost.

Cheers.



Actually, at MM03 (we larnt) when we did the plant tours - Mitsubishi is one of the ONLY companies that make around 85% of their car. all the interior trims, pannels, dash, and seats are made in house :D - oh, they also make their OWN engines in oz, using components MADE in their Tonsley plantn (pistons, blocks, heads, cams and all that ARE made in tonsley in adelaide... hehehe

just so everyone knows where MMAL stand on that comment lol

Give it time, I'm working on a few little packages. Notably longer extractors for better low to mid torque (You know, the rev range you drive in 99.61849712% of the time :) ). Also on my engineering list is a variable length intake manifold, split intake manifold with twin tbs, oversized (not just flowed) tbs and other good, basis stuff.

Will let the community know when we're after test vehicles etc. Would like to cater for all Generations in the Family :cool:

WOW, you have cirtainlly got my attention :P

Also on my engineering list is a variable length intake manifold
I'll tell you a secret: 2nd gen V6's have one.

Actually, I'll tell you another secret: there's a 3rd gen engine which has one too.

The feature is called MVIC.

I'll tell you a secret: 2nd gen V6's have one.

Actually, I'll tell you another secret: there's a 3rd gen engine which has one too.

The feature is called MVIC.

Or VICS :P

I'll tell you a secret: 2nd gen V6's have one.

Actually, I'll tell you another secret: there's a 3rd gen engine which has one too.

The feature is called MVIC.

Unfortunately the MIVEC plenums are rare as hens teeth without acquiring a whole motor and no harness... which has plenty of advantages of course!!

Sorry mate, went to quote you and edited instead, fixed it all back up for you -KB

Unfortunately the MIVEC plenums are rare as hens teeth without acquiring a whole motor and no harness... which has plenty of advantages of course!!
It might be worth contacting an NZ Mitsu and getting a price on it just to see what they're worth. They were pretty helpful when I looked into the Mivec info.

It might be worth contacting an NZ Mitsu and getting a price on it just to see what they're worth. They were pretty helpful when I looked into the Mivec info.

I imagine you would use a rev actuated unit to operate the variable length action. Jaycar make electronic kits that could probably be grafted into this role. Unfortunately it's nearer the bottom of our list due to such complications. Modified and oversize tbs and longer (also better fitting!!! :D ) extractors are on our list. As well as various stages of bolt-on sports exhausts. Cold air setups are of interest too. Maybe in stainless? :cool:

Unfortunately the MIVEC plenums are rare as hens teeth without acquiring a whole motor and no harness... which has plenty of advantages of course!!

MVIC and MIVEC are different tho....MVIC is the same as VICS (Variable Intake Control System) and Im guessing MVIC is Mitsubishi Variable Intake Control

MIVEC is valve timing...

MVIC and MIVEC are different tho....MVIC is the same as VICS (Variable Intake Control System) and Im guessing MVIC is Mitsubishi Variable Intake Control
I think he's aware of that.


MIVEC is valve timing...
Don't forget lift. Mitsubishi obviously forgot that in the new crappy version :rant:

I think he's aware of that.


Don't forget lift. Mitsubishi obviously forgot that in the new crappy version :rant:

I don't think they forgot. From memory new system does what the old system did minus valve overlap, as it is a single cam. It can change lift by switching to a secondary cam profile (obviously fixed though as it is on the same shaft), but I could be wrong, as my memory likes to embarrass me as it pleases. :doubt:

I'll see if I can find a pdf document I had on the simpler MIVEC system, it outlined the basics of how it operated and it's advantages. :P

I don't think they forgot. From memory new system does what the old system did minus valve overlap, as it is a single cam. It can change lift by switching to a secondary cam profile (obviously fixed though as it is on the same shaft), but I could be wrong, as my memory likes to embarrass me as it pleases. :doubt:
Well, the last thing I saw was only varied phasing in the intake valve only, (read: gay). No change in lift. Old, (real), skool Mivec was both inlet and exhaust and two different cam profiles.

Well, the last thing I saw was only varied phasing in the intake valve only, (read: gay). No change in lift. Old, (real), skool Mivec was both inlet and exhaust and two different cam profiles.

Yes we all know the original version of MIVEC was the bomb, but constantlly whining about the new version isn't going to change anything....or ar you hoping someone in MMAL is reading this??? lol

Yes we all know the original version of MIVEC was the bomb, but constantlly whining about the new version isn't going to change anything....or ar you hoping someone in MMAL is reading this??? lol

I've mentioned it, so its fingers crossed from here. Look like from early indications that a lot of my 'christmas list' made better than planning stage! :cool:

Its about time too, MMAL deserve a break.