i got an itching to do something to my car, so im debagding and ripping out some other stuff, that seems useless, which happens to include the aircon system that dont work, has been tried to get fixed by the previous owner, and still not fixed, and i dont really care for an air con (ill wait till i have a job and can afford a different car)

So i was wondering if anyone knew how to rip out the air con and if theres anything needed to be done to pass nsw rego?

from looking at it, the gas is easy enough to take out (im moving the stock air intake pipe into the hole the gas sits in), but the metal pipes are abit worrying, do i need to go into the dash and remove the metal pipes in there as well, or do i just bend/cut them in the engine bay?

and i think to get to the air con radiator, i need to unbolt the normal radiator?

i would leave the under dash suff in, so take out the condensor, compressor and the lines between them all. radiator has to come out to get the condensor i think? lines all just disconnect once unscrewed from the banjo fittings

yeah u do need to take the radiator out to get to the condensor.

once this is out, there are 4 bolts holding in the compressor near the rear of the engine. undo them and the belt will come away easy enough.

undo the metal hoses from the back of the compressor also, then totally undo the 4 bolts and take out the compressor.

the piping is easy, is just connects to the firewall where u undo them (they will be hard to undo but they will come off). piping is also held down by a bracket on the left side engine mount (right side as u look at the engine from the front). this is everything u should end up with anyway.

brendan

brendan 1, aircon system 0

ok so far ive got the gas thing out, but i have no idea where to get those 2 bolts or woteva thats holding the compressor

do i need to remove the distribitor cap? cos atm, all i can see is the pipes going to a grey thing ontop the compressor that has 2 bolts, and then has 4 alley key bolts onto the compressor.

i can leave the normal radiator water pipes all in, and just lean it against the engine with a cloth right? im thinking it should be enough room to lift the other one out, but i donno if ill have room to unscrew it :P

if i can get it done, it should be a nice little weight loss right?

bloody gregories doesnt tell me anything about the air con :(

Gregories is **** for thinks like that, it doesnt tell you anything. There are 2 kinds of aircon pumps, one is real easy to undo and one is a ****, the easy one can be done by undoing the bolts from under the car, the other one is done from the top...

so far ive got the air con radiator out, the pipe that isnt held onto the engine mount braket, and the gas thing.

the other pipe wouldnt unscrew from the firewall, and it ended up snapping, so i just clamped it shut and twisted it down. (if the rego guy complains, ill just hafta get someone to rip it out properly)

the pipe thats connected to the engine mount bracket is a pain tho.

ill prolly pack away, and leave it for tomorrow now, but the only thing that has a belt to it, is the altenator right (i mean after i remove the compressor)?

there is one on the other side of the motor for the water pump too :P but yeah i think the belt only drives the alternator.

does moving the stock air intake hose thingy from the wall into the hole where the gas thing for the air con (so its sucking air thats not in the engine bay) count as cold air intake? :confused:

btw, i forgot to mention before, thanks guys for the help, espacially that pic

i donno whats up with my engine bay, but it aint as clean as that, theres like this 3mm thick layer of gunk, and all the screw things for the pipes are all seezed up, so when i try n undo em, the piping twists :P

i dont think i have any stands to stick the car up on to get at the condenser from underneath :cry:

does moving the stock air intake hose thingy from the wall into the hole where the gas thing for the air con (so its sucking air thats not in the engine bay) count as cold air intake? :confused:
you would get the most anoying induction noise possible... MAD!! do it :cool:

but isn't the TB on the oppisite side of the plenum to the hole u made?

TB? plenum? :confused:

ive still got the stock carb air filter thing, where it has the pipe go over the top of the motor at then use to be attached to the wall of the engine bay next to and infront of the wiper water bottle.

how the hell would i be able to have cold air going into the carby if/when i replace the magna carby with the xf webber? (without a scope)

Ill have some pictures tomorrow before i start work on that dirty engine bay so i dont mess my dig cam up

you would get the most anoying induction noise possible... MAD!! do it :cool:

i dont hear anything, i even stuck my head under the car near it....

how the hell would i be able to have cold air going into the carby if/when i replace the magna carby with the xf webber? (without a scope)


i hope u noticed wen u took off the radiator a small splash guard next to it. its just a flat, black piece of metal u can take out easily. if i didnt get a scoop, i would've put some piping through that (air goes straight through and would've fed directly into this piping) and then up to some sort of custom airbox with a filter in it. that would've bin the easiest i reckon

whoa i totally read TM-SE's post wrong before. i just reread it, and now it makes sense, but at a loss as to how to get the compressor out once its undone :S

thinking i might let it drop and hope that it falls on the grass :P

i hope u noticed wen u took off the radiator a small splash guard next to it. its just a flat, black piece of metal u can take out easily. if i didnt get a scoop, i would've put some piping through that (air goes straight through and would've fed directly into this piping) and then up to some sort of custom airbox with a filter in it. that would've bin the easiest i reckon

i was thinking about that, but how would the air from the box or fixed pipe get to the carby at the back? theres barely enough room for that stock thing that goes over the motor, and its a long way to go from the right side, across to the battery, around up the back and into the carby.

all i can think of atm is with the compressor gone, i could prolly go under the engine mount and up into the carby

whoa i totally read TM-SE's post wrong before. i just reread it, and now it makes sense, but at a loss as to how to get the compressor out once its undone :S

thinking i might let it drop and hope that it falls on the grass :P

u can get it out. just keep wiggling it. the last time i ever took it out i just let it drop on the grass. it won't hurt it

nah nah, this...

thats an old photo :| i remember getting an angle grinder to that swirly piping :badgrin:

thats an old photo :| i remember getting an angle grinder to that swirly piping :badgrin:

mick did it... u woulda fked it up

nah nah, this...

wha? :confused:

that bit was a pain, cos i couldnt get the ...condensor? out till i got rid of that plate, and i couldnt get the bottom bolt cos the grass was bloody itchy :P

ALL OUT! :dancin:

i managed to get the pipes connected to the firewall to unscrew, and with those pipes out the way, i was able to see the 4 bolts holding the compressor on, which just took ages because it was killing my back n arms leaning in to bloody reach.

Only small problem was there wasnt anywhere for it to fall to.... i had to pull the distribitor apart to make room to lift the mofo heavy thing out, to which i threw on the ground in victory while i danced and tormented it :D

Ill link up some pics after i go out and get something to eat.

the finally product

http://www.terrorsidic.net/hosted/terror/cars/magna009.jpg

or i could take the bendy pipe thing off and just be like this;
http://www.terrorsidic.net/hosted/terror/cars/magna006.jpg

good work :) now spend $12 and change that leaking rocker cover gasket make it $14 ($2 for degreaser) j/k good work lol

that bendy pipe plugged into the guard is a good thing btw

buy about 3 cans of degreaser. spray every nook and cranny in the engine bay. get a brush and scrub it all and then hose it down. will be a very clean looking engine bay.

and oh... tappet cover gasket. they are cheap as from supercheap. then u can take that off and take pics of the inside of ur head that u can post up :cool:

thanks i was planning to clean it later, but knowing how cheap it is, ill go out tonight while im getting bits for the auto shift kit, and get it. was gonna buy of those toilet brush or dishwashing brush things and go mental on the engine bay

only thing is, that it seems to be leaking from EVERY seal on the motor, is that normal, or are all my gaskets ****ed?

y would i need to take a pic of the inside the rocker cover for?

i was thinking of colouring the rocker cover white, but then i thought, **** itll get dirty quick, so i donno, any ideas? (might just polish it up or something instead)

was thinking a white/black or grey/white or white/grey/black theme :confused:

edit: how heavy is the head? would it be worth me taking the head off myself? might take it to get shim'd (how much was it again? 10thou? (woteva that means)) in the process?

edit: is there any magic stuff from supercheap that help take off the glue crap from the rear badges other than warm water, hard work and patience? :P

thanks i was planning to clean it later, but knowing how cheap it is, ill go out tonight while im getting bits for the auto shift kit, and get it. was gonna buy of those toilet brush or dishwashing brush things and go mental on the engine bay

only thing is, that it seems to be leaking from EVERY seal on the motor, is that normal, or are all my gaskets ****ed?

y would i need to take a pic of the inside the rocker cover for?

i was thinking of colouring the rocker cover white, but then i thought, **** itll get dirty quick, so i donno, any ideas? (might just polish it up or something instead)

was thinking a white/black or grey/white or white/grey/black theme :confused:

edit: how heavy is the head? would it be worth me taking the head off myself? might take it to get shim'd (how much was it again? 10thou? (woteva that means)) in the process?


yeah a brush will be good to scrub with.

if it's leaking from every seal u may wanna invest in a VRS Gasket Kit from supercheap ($80). it will have every gasket/seal for ur engine. just make sure u get the right one. u will have to order it in cause i dont think they stock the VRS magna gasket kits.

do the rocker cover black. makes it look so tidy and u cant see wen its dirty lol. otherwise, if u are gunna take the head to get skimmed (try 15 thou), ask them to sandblast both ur head and rocker cover. that will clean it all up pretty well.

u will need 2 ppl to get the head off initially, but 1 person can easily handle it. not sure how heavy it would be. easily 25kg i would imagine. but yeah... tell them that 10 thou has been skimmed off the same head as urs before and u know that its safe, so ur willing to go 15 thou if they will. also, take the cam and rocker gear off before u take the head into them. it's just less work for them to do (cheaper) and u get to find out how it works. i can talk u through it step by step if u want as i got pretty efficient at it (had to take the head off 3 times in a week)

i dont have a torque rench :P

ok, since i cant put degreaser on the body paint, how do i get off grease stains on my rims/passenger door/(painted rocker cover in the future)?

gasket pack was $76.55 :D

degreaser is fine on the paint just dont leave it for 3 weeks man, i always use it on paint to get finger marks off my white paint :rant: paint that dirty great heat shield over the exhaust headers too with some high temp paint. look a million bucks

ooh, thanks for the ideas guys :D

.... paint that dirty great heat shield over the exhaust headers too with some high temp paint. look a million bucks

is it really worth it, if im gonna get some extractors later on?

it would only take half a tin of paint, other half for the rocker cover :cool: it will look so much better for the time being.

im having a ***** of a time with the rubbery-glue stuff that held the badges on, ive got the GLX and MAGNA off easy (except some dickhead has tried sticking the half bent GLX back on with superglue :rant: ) but the MITSUBISHI stuff isnt all rubbery like the other side, its almost rock hard, and the glue is all yellow and stained the paint (ill prolly end up with a yellow patch :( ) its comming off slowly, but ive given my thumb a huge blister from rubbing it.
(alittle degreaser leave for short minute, then rinse, makes the glue come off easy, just if i put too much pressure on the paint, i can indent it :P)

razor blade REALLY carefully maybe? its how i got mine off

hopefully my last problem for the air con...

how do i get rid of it? :confused:

the victim :badgrin:
http://www.terrorsidic.net/hosted/terror/cars/magna008.jpg

aircon got owned :badgrin:

sounds different while cruising, at first i thought it was sick, but after awhile i got use to it

sorta alil bit more throaty from the engine, till it hits high revs and sounds the same :P

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u will need 2 ppl to get the head off initially, but 1 person can easily handle it. not sure how heavy it would be. easily 25kg i would imagine. but yeah... tell them that 10 thou has been skimmed off the same head as urs before and u know that its safe, so ur willing to go 15 thou if they will. also, take the cam and rocker gear off before u take the head into them. it's just less work for them to do (cheaper) and u get to find out how it works. i can talk u through it step by step if u want as i got pretty efficient at it (had to take the head off 3 times in a week)

as long as i can do your step by step guide without a torque wrench, i should be ok.

y 15thou?

as long as i can do your step by step guide without a torque wrench, i should be ok.

y 15thou?

no, u need a torque wrench. to take the head off u need to undo the head bolts. and to do them back up u need to have a torque wrench to do them up to the torque specs (3 stages - 50nm,80nm,98nm)

10 thou wouldve raised my compression, but not by much. we couldnt even get it pinging (will ping easier wen skimmed) so if i could redo it all again, i would go 15 thou or seriously think about 20 thou.

why would i want it to ping? :confused:

why would i want it to ping? :confused:

u dont. it's just that the higher compression u go, the higher possibility u will have to run Premium UnLeaded Petrol, and the better ur fuel economy and higher the torque (power). its a trade off well worth it

does that mean if im gonna do something like that, i should get my valve seats hardened while its off and getting shimed? (since i dont have a torque wrench n will prolly hafta pay em to fit it)

edit: does that mean i get to run my car on Prem ULP, without a cat, since everyone will think its a leaded car still? :confused:

just get yourself a tn head so its an unleaded head, keep the same block, then yeah u can run ULP without the cat

buy about 3 cans of degreaser. spray every nook and cranny in the engine bay. get a brush and scrub it all and then hose it down. will be a very clean looking engine bay.

i took some of that degreaser (havent done the engine bay yet) and sprayed my old stock rims, theyre all silvery and shiny now, it actually looks good, so now i can put off some 2nd hand white rims or something till i get the engine going goood :D

u dont. it's just that the higher compression u go, the higher possibility u will have to run Premium UnLeaded Petrol, and the better ur fuel economy and higher the torque (power). its a trade off well worth it

so u currently have 10thou, and the timing is max advanced?

so if i was to try out 15thou, i wouldnt have to max the timing? :confused:

depends if it pings or not. if it doesn't then leave it advanced. if it does, back it off 2 degrees.

im just abit worried about being the guinea pig tis all

im just abit worried about being the guinea pig tis all

guinea pig? ive done it before... others ive heard have had 40 thou shaved. 15 thou is nothing, but every little bit helps. no it wont ping so long as u set the timing right. 15 thou isnt enough to make u run ONLY premium unleaded.

oooh ok, so if i ever sell it and the owner wants to stick proper leaded in it (if its still around) they can, as long as its tuned for it? :)

oooh ok, so if i ever sell it and the owner wants to stick proper leaded in it (if its still around) they can, as long as its tuned for it? :)

u are correct

i think ill move this to a new thread now :)