Ok...
After MUCH cutting and pasting..
I have compiled all the results and here it is...

(Luke Cliff and Brad) Ill try and rescale your ones to fit on the overall list and ill let you know when it has been added.

Ill be uploading some pics later tommorow and over the nex few days.

Thanks for a great day guys and look forward to meeting you all again soon.

Some VERY interesting results all round.
Hadyn
http://pronto.customer.netspace.net.au/diamante/dyno/dyno.jpg

Well done, Haydn. You read my mind. I was thinking of doing this too but you've done a brilliant job.

Thanks for your efforts and thanks for the day. You and Paul did good! Looking forward to the next meet.

Redav

Not bad not bad at all, quite a difference between you all...

Very Interesting! :D

Mistake though....

I had a K&N panel, not a pod.

Christian has a Exhaust

Not bad not bad at all, quite a difference between you all...

Yeah, an eye opener. As Paul said, I must have a Wednesday car. Either that or it's the plastic hub caps :lol:

Also, the guys didn't think so but I still wonder if temperature played a part in it. Hayden, Alan and I all ran at the start when it was a little cooler. My second run was at the end and that was in it's stock configuration. Oh, well. I'm not complaining.

If you look at the 80km/hr mark, rather than overal peak power - it seems to give a totally different story.

Mine #4 VS #8, Joe's stock TJ 3.5, shows i've lost power maybe?

How would I go about improving my low end output? Or getting more HP with less KPH

Turbo it !:) It's probably tricky. I'm trying to increase torque too. We can do stuff that will add more but not in huge amounts. It's a case of all the things help, extractors, throttle body, chip etc. The other way to increase torque is forced induction. If Paul looks into a supercharger setup, then that would be interesting to keep tabs on.

Luke (Platumin) Cliff (Heydude) and BradG (Shagna)
I have added your results to the graph now.
Hmm (no comment cliff :( )

Blake do you know what your results are?
Since yours also is a 2.4 auto it would be nice to compare with Cliffs.

Haydn

Ahh, so thats how I compare. Hmm, I almost pass cliff when his power plateu's, but then he takes off again.
Cheers to all that made that day happen - done well.

Can someone tell me um how to read this :P

It says the 3.0 was the best? is that right??

Or am i reading this wrong!!! i think its number 12 at 118kw..

overall which is the best car!! and what have they done to it to get it that way!

Redav's car produced the most horsepower at the peak (3.0L, manual, exhaust and filter).

Philtrid and Haydn's producted the best power through most of the rev range (stock VRX and 3.5L with muffler and exhaust, respectively). These two cars would probably be the fastest on the street. The 3.5L will have more torque at lower revs than the 3.0L (which isn't graphed here).

I have just fixed a typo on the dyno image...
Redav should have been 159.2 ... not 59.2 :oops:

Yes his car "was" the best on the day.. and proved that for "his" car his mods worked well and gained him an extra 11kw... (If you compare his 1 and 2 runs)
Haydn

you can add some details to that dyno sheet for me.. 3.5l Auto Stock for Joe :D thanx :)

Ok
Haydn

Redav's car produced the most horsepower at the peak (3.0L, manual, exhaust and filter).

Philtrid and Haydn's producted the best power through most of the rev range (stock VRX and 3.5L with muffler and exhaust, respectively). These two cars would probably be the fastest on the street. The 3.5L will have more torque at lower revs than the 3.0L (which isn't graphed here).

Yeah, I agree with all this. I think I'd run a close second as my car is an Executive with almost no extras. Additional weight comes from air con and amplifier. It would have been nice to see a torque curve v rpm as well but for 25 bucks, I'm not complaining. I'll be doing another dyno run hopefully by mid next year. By then I hope to have added a few more things.

I am still here, and happy with my dyno result as I talked to a few others and they have similar readings too.

How's your car running? Mine's back to normal.

so whens the next one :D anxious now hehe

Yeah car is fine now, it was the second balance shaft belt that crapped itself, so I pissed it off, I need to dyno it again to see how much extra horses I got!!! :badgrin:

Thanks for your efforts with the graph.. it's great to get them all on the same one for such easy comparison.

That's pretty interesting that the 3.0ltr gained 8kw (110 to 118) with a panel and muffler to jump it to first place...

I think my TE needs a panel and muffler ;)

-Dan

whats wrong with my car

must the pod (HEHEHEHE)

i want 159hp!! go the 3.0L magnas

thanks ppl

love to go agian sometime

your car could have too big of exhaust....?
Maybe you are loosing back preasure...?
Going by the results... looks like the other night you got the jump of me because of that car coming around the corner behind me.. and the starter running back inforont of my car...
I demand a rematch at some stage :D
Haydn

anytime you like haydn :p

Well all I know is that after our next meeting.... you will be picking up bits, like the ones in your avatar, off the road... as our gearbox explodes under the forces needed to keep up with me :D
Haydn

megatron...look here and tell me if this is how low the springs should be

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1690


sorry to crash this thread

no about 6-8mm lower in the back

and 5mm in the front

looks good on a black car

****it....im just gonna tell em to compress em another 2 inches....im sick of taking them out all the time! haha :lol:

Ok you two racers, how about next meet we arrange a section of road for the two of you to slug it out, I wont mention where on the forum but be prepared. :badgrin:

your car could have too big of exhaust....?
Maybe you are loosing back preasure...?Haydn

I don't think there is anything wrong with your car. On the surface I'd agree with Haydn. What diameter piping do you have? How far is it dual pipe? In a straight line race between you and Haydn. If weight is are similar, I think Haydn have the better chance of winning.

Even though the dyno showed you two had similar outputs, the 3.5l haas 20% more torque. Down low you will see the difference. Even though the 3.0l loves to rev, I think it will be too late to catch up. I don't think Haydn's tiptronic would remove the 50Nm of torque disparity. Would be an interesting comparrison.

Its good to see a bunch of Magna's on the dyno...

But Widowmaker is extra happy today since he read that not only my 125kw's still rocks ... But did anyone else notice that the car's with panels made more power then cars with Pods :badgrin:

We ALL commented on the day the exact same thing :)
"It's good to be the King!" Mel Brooks
hehe
Haydn

Hehehe well atleast now you beleive some of my ramblings

Always respected your different views. :)
But it was a good result since it is an easy mod to do.... and not that expensive.
Haydn

What mods do you have, Widowmaker?

Yes, what mods, do tell. :^o

Yes, what mods, do tell. :^o

If you know me you know i dont bullshit !

hmmm K&N panel filter , D&T tuned exhaust , High flow Catayst , HPC coated Pacemaker extractors .. that's power related mods that i can remember there's probably other stuff i dun remember

My Dyno chart 125kw's front wheels without atmosphere correction , 122.5 kw's with atmosphere correction.

http://www.snapsport.com/magna3l.jpg

edit > oh yeah transaxle 6G72 24 valve / 5 speed manual

The 3.0L manual at the dyno was putting out 119kW with just panel filter and lukey muffler, I would have expected more from the extractors then that, and you got a high flow cat. :?

How many kilometres your car done widowmaker???

remember i have a new exhaust system which isnt as good as the stock one hence the small power hinder. the other thing is i used to have a better muffler on now i have asmaller quieter unit , if i put the bigger one back on there would be more power but i like my car quiet

My car has done nearly 100,000km , but dyno's do vary and with your dyno where you running in shootout mode and where you running atmosphere correction ?

It was NOT in shootout mode!
I dont know what the other thing is.
But he said that it gives you a true reading.
The machine was/is calibrated every few months.

Haydn

Howdy TBuTcher
Like your Dyno graphs - excellent stuff.
But what I don't understand is that how come 3.0 Std has more grunt on the wheels than VRX. Baffling piece of info!
Was the VRX driven to Moon and back - hence all worn out? Or what's the story here?
Please advise.
Killer



Ok...
After MUCH cutting and pasting..
I have compiled all the results and here it is...

(Luke Cliff and Brad) Ill try and rescale your ones to fit on the overall list and ill let you know when it has been added.

Ill be uploading some pics later tommorow and over the nex few days.

Thanks for a great day guys and look forward to meeting you all again soon.

Some VERY interesting results all round.
Hadyn
http://pronto.customer.netspace.net.au/diamante/dyno/dyno.jpg

Well done widowmaker, however know ones got up to my 133kw at the wheels yet......

any challengers??

We should do the same thing in Victoria, what do you guys think?

Damien

Widow,
Yes the atmoshperic correction was being used.

Damien,
I would love to see a Dyno print out of yours with the A/F ratios so we can see what the difference is over the rev range.

Cheers
paul


P.S. Mine is booked in again on Saturday so that i can see if the new O2 sensor has fixed the problem.

Paul

What do you mean by the a/f ratios (air/fuel) ? Can they display that on a dyno graph?


Damien

Remember the 3.0L only has the edge over the VRX at the high KM/hr range. Lower down, at 80km/hr it's a different story. Phil's VRX & Tbutcher's Sports are putting out more than. The other VRX had a O2 sensor problem.

Well done widowmaker, however know ones got up to my 133kw at the wheels yet......

any challengers??

We should do the same thing in Victoria, what do you guys think?

Damien

I'd be happy to dyno my 2.6 astron TR :D
Won't do much though :lol: :lol:
But would be a good benchmark for my mods at the end of the year.

Hopefully my alloy wheels may add a few kw's, would you agree damien? :D

Remember the 3.0L only has the edge over the VRX at the high KM/hr range. Lower down, at 80km/hr it's a different story. Phil's VRX & Tbutcher's Sports are putting out more than. The other VRX had a O2 sensor problem.

Agreed. Don't give my car credit where it's just one figure that doesn't tell the whole story.

Good to hear, Paul. Keep us informed.

Howdy TBuTcher
Like your Dyno graphs - excellent stuff.
But what I don't understand is that how come 3.0 Std has more grunt on the wheels than VRX. Baffling piece of info!
Was the VRX driven to Moon and back - hence all worn out? Or what's the story here?
Please advise.
Killer

Basically Redavs car is a freak.. :D
You can put it down to the panel filter V's the POD or the fact that his combination happend to be just perfect for his setup.
At the end of the day.. no one knows.. he is just lucky to have a good amount of top end Power.
Haydn

Basically Redavs car is a freak.. :D

Hmmm... matches the driver!

Power is how much worth you do over time. The 3l engine has a fair amount of power because it's a revvy engine and it's level of torque wasn't bad. Obviously the 3.5 has more torque, and down the strip the 3.5 would out run the 3.0, but the 3.5 doesn't rev as well as the 3.0. The interesting graph would have been torque over rpm. That would have told a different story and Redav's Freak Wednesday car with Go-Fast Hubcaps would have been halfway down the list.

Just on a side note, would stock 15' rims have helped as opposed to larger rims?

Lethal

:badgrin:

the alloys might help your 1/4 mile time as they are lighter than your stockies

You should know that for more kws you need a ralliart sticker for that.


Damien

Yeah if you look at the power band or torque in the middle over the kilometres you will see the VRX had the advantage.

Guys,
After spending $110 of a new O2 Sensor and $50 of dyno time it still wasn't the problem. We did a full scan of the computer ans everything looks ok. We are starting to think that it might be the Amos Ring mixer for the gas that is causeing a restriction in the inlet. So I am going to find myself a nice stretch of raod and do some 0-100 times and then go home and pull it off ans see if it make any difference. The dyno cost is fine but I hate having to drive for 40 min to get there and when you have to be there at 7:30 it means you have to get up early. I will keep everyone up to date.

Cheers
Paul

P.S. It pulled 130hp atw today

can you take the sensor back ... saying it was te wrong type?....
and that you had to get another one asap so you got it from someone else?
IMHO you are better off witha credit of $110 than an item that you dont really need.
Haydn

Well done widowmaker, however know ones got up to my 133kw at the wheels yet......

any challengers??

We should do the same thing in Victoria, what do you guys think?

Damien

I would love to challenge you by installing a new exhaust system , headers ( as mine are ****ed ) a aftermarket computer and a new fuel regulator but im only keeping the magna so i can save money not to spend it :lol:

Haydn,
O2 Sensors are strickly no return, beside the retail is up around the $200 so i can't complain too much. I still haven't tested it with the Amos ring off yet I have been renovating my bathroom. I finished tiling at 8 last night.

Cheers
Paul

I thought you may have known the people you got it from and therefore be able to return it :(
Oh well.
Haydn

Is his pod sucking hot air??? And you have CAI?
THAT would explain such a difference in the max power. And proves how important proper CAI design is....

Redav mentioned bigger torque on 3.5's - which of course is better/more practical on everyday driving. Unless one's gas pedal is a on/off switch....

I would really like to see somebody doing a full Dyno comparison with different types of air intake systems. STD/STD with K&N/Pod/Pod with proper cold air etc etc. On same engine, same day, same temp, same air pressure, same humidity....
That would enlighten many modders what to do with their air intakes.
Any volunteers........?





[quote:e9bcac472f="Killer"]Howdy TBuTcher
Like your Dyno graphs - excellent stuff.
But what I don't understand is that how come 3.0 Std has more grunt on the wheels than VRX. Baffling piece of info!
Was the VRX driven to Moon and back - hence all worn out? Or what's the story here?
Please advise.
Killer

Basically Redavs car is a freak.. :D
You can put it down to the panel filter V's the POD or the fact that his combination happend to be just perfect for his setup.
At the end of the day.. no one knows.. he is just lucky to have a good amount of top end Power.
Haydn[/quote:e9bcac472f]

Haydn,
I do know them very well as I get alot of my part from there for work. However the non-return policy on some items stick, this is one of them.

Cheers
Paul

Well done widowmaker, however know ones got up to my 133kw at the wheels yet......

any challengers??

We should do the same thing in Victoria, what do you guys think?

Damien

I now accept your challenge EVLMAG :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: BRING IT ON :badgrin: :badgrin:

let me see. you have 133kw (178.35hp) and ive just recorded my 135.56kw (181.8hp) readings.

let the games begin :twisted: :badgrin:

Well done widowmaker, however know ones got up to my 133kw at the wheels yet......

any challengers??

We should do the same thing in Victoria, what do you guys think?

Damien


Me Me Me !! Me In Victoria!!!! Me Me Me wants more than 133Kws!!!

I laugh at the 133kw :lol:

my magna is pulling 140kw at the wheels in it's present state, in about 2 months it will be closer to 145kw after another mod.

I have the magna king at present with 140kw at the wheels

Ok give us specs and details thanx :)

I laugh at the 133kw :lol:

my magna is pulling 140kw at the wheels in it's present state, in about 2 months it will be closer to 145kw after another mod.

I have the magna king at present with 140kw at the wheels

ooooo... i smell achallenge.. just wait till my ecu is fully tuned... your a gonna :badgrin: :badgrin:

i hope you like the look of my magnas ass cause that will be the only thing you will see in a challenge :badgrin:


on a serious side it would be nice to see who is the king of aussie magna on a strip but after all it is aussie magna and australia is a very big place.

My Cars mods
TH 3.5 auto
pacemaker extractors, lukey muffler, K&N ram pod air filter and Greddy e-management system.

I'm looking into these mods next
camshafts, twin pack throttle body, high flow cat



It would be nice to exceed 150kw at the wheels

ive already got all the mods advice to take booya over the 210hp mark :badgrin: :badgrin:

all you will be seein is mah yellow number plates "BOOYA" :badgrin:

oh, and i only need half the bits your planning to put in.. :badgrin:

AND. im only a 3L ;)

with those mods i think i would be looking at around 160kw but my aim is 150kw.

Hey present dyno results shows I'm up almost 5kw at the wheels, bring it on :badgrin:

mr_mbquart,

Have you got a quarter mile time??? i'm interested to know what a 140kw at the wheels auto runs??

what is on your list of mods?

thanks nick

i haven't had the opportunity to do a quarter mile time yet but I would love too

maybe thats an idea for the next cruise in Perth, to go somewhere where we can do times

my mods i listed above but i will list again anyways
K&N ram pod air filter, lukey muffler, pacemaker extractors and g-reddy e-manage piggyback computer

Which components do you have for the greddy e-manage?

i have the main unit, the ignition harness and the injection harness. I hope this answers the question you asked

i have the main unit, the ignition harness and the injection harness. I hope this answers the question you asked

Sweet as.

1. Whats one of these worth?
2. And how does the auto transmission hold up?
3. Got traction issue? Or aftermarket wheels/rubber I guess?
4. What's your Car computer's average fuel reading?
5. Insurance = $BAD$?

i have the main unit, the ignition harness and the injection harness. I hope this answers the question you asked

That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks.



1. Whats one of these worth?


Aussie Magna sells the E-Manage.. you're looking at $750 for the base unit and $110 each for the ignition and injection harnesses.. plus tuning of course.. or fork out $330 for the tuning software and blow up your engine all by yourself ;)

More questions:

What happens with service? Who checks and tunes it? Can it be "accidentally" reset or stuffed by incorrect manipulation by unauthorised/unskilled operator?

How did you install it? Can one get it installed in Sydney Town? If so, where? Or is it mail order stuff only?

Anything else relevant one should know?


140 kW @ w equals ~ 200kW in the pot - amm - engine. Very impressive!







My Cars mods
TH 3.5 auto
pacemaker extractors, lukey muffler, K&N ram pod air filter and Greddy e-management system.
I'm looking into these mods next
camshafts, twin pack throttle body, high flow cat
It would be nice to exceed 150kw at the wheels

More questions:

What happens with service? Who checks and tunes it? Can it be "accidentally" reset or stuffed by incorrect manipulation by unauthorised/unskilled operator?

How did you install it? Can one get it installed in Sydney Town? If so, where? Or is it mail order stuff only?

Anything else relevant one should know?


140 kW @ w equals ~ 200kW in the pot - amm - engine. Very impressive!





[quote:5fd8c1e2d1="mr_mbquart"]
My Cars mods
TH 3.5 auto
pacemaker extractors, lukey muffler, K&N ram pod air filter and Greddy e-management system.
I'm looking into these mods next
camshafts, twin pack throttle body, high flow cat
It would be nice to exceed 150kw at the wheels[/quote:5fd8c1e2d1]

The E manage can be tuned by yourself using the software and USB port to a computer, I do however recommend that you get a pro to do it. It's just like tuning a unichip where the tuner tunes the E manage for ultimate efficiency. Labour will cost more as it takes longer to tune an E Manage compared to say a Pwer FC or SAFC but you will reap in the rewards of this little nifty unit. As for tuners, I think Hills Motorsports in Castle Hills do that... that's what I heard..

CHEERS

140kw at the wheels is very impressive.

I would like to see some evidence before you laugh at my 133kw though.

140kw at the wheels is very impressive.

I would like to see some evidence before you laugh at my 133kw though.

i forgot about this thread? was this directed to me? :?

No Booya it was directed at mr_mbquart
I for one would like to see the 140kw @ wheels on a dyno graph


Sorry cthulhu

:-s what did I do? :?:

Ahhhh HP race ah..... 140Kws from Mbquart.... Interesting...


Ok... my turn to send in my Dyno results too when my cams and tunings done... :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

i forgot about this thread? was this directed to me? :?

LOL... someone's got a complex...... :lol: