Is this flowed enuf for y'all? :cool:


EDIT APRIL 6th: I have 2 x flowed TB's with cruise ready to ship right NOW. PM or post for details. I have 1 x non-cruise unit to suit TE & TF only also coming online asap.

11/4/05 See my latest post in this thread for pics of my latest polished/ported TB!! http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16412&page=3&pp=10

Ooohh.. I want one!

SuFz :rant:

Isn't there a 2mm gap under the butterfly when it's closed now?

Wow! I had only just posted the post 2seconds ago and you guys are all over it!

Hit it like a Mako shark. I reckon the new Magna should be named "Mako" but anyways....

The BF fits snug and perfectly - no light passing through. Did this one with my new high speed cutting tip, saved me a good hour at least over the ****ty standard Dremel-type kit tips.

Fitting it tomorrow into a VRX TJ auto. The owner drove my AWD and was smiling all weekend then came in monday 9:01am and placed his order. Dying to see how much better this one is over my AWD one done with my old tip and flowed slightly less aggresively.

For those with a keen eye, yes this from a TF with cruise. I'm flowing the VRX and reinstalling that unit for the client. The TF unit goes in so he can still drive around with a high flow TB while I'm busy chipping away :cool:

Whats the cost gonna be EZ :)

also whats the story with cars that have Cruise Control ?

what happens if there is a gap under there ? u guys mentioned is there a gap..

Im interested in this too... Are you a mechanic ez? Or do this for fun?

also whats the story with cars that have Cruise Control ?

what happens if there is a gap under there ? u guys mentioned is there a gap..

There's no gap! What am I? An amateur :D

I've taken a pic of the closed butterfly with my PC monitor at the rear. As you can see there is NO gap at all. But for best response I have taken a lot of care to machine right up the very crest of the tb that the butterfly closes on.

This is my way of giving something back to the all the people on the forums that have helped me out over the last 8months.

If we can keep the work *in house* we can keep putting $$ back into the Forums and that benefits everyone. What else can one man do? :)

EDIT / UPDATE 3rd March 2005:

OK I flowed my personal TB so much that there was light visible thru the edge of the butterfly which I was concerned about during my early posts (like this one originally) and PM's to AMC members.

As it turns out, the tiny gap only increased idle speed barely 50-100rpm BUT it did make the TB even MORE RESPONSIVE . I was short on flowed TB's so I actually supplied this TB to Icarian as-is. Due to Icarian's response to this I've decided to flow ALL future TB's in this manner. Despite a higher idle, I still achieved FAR better fuel economy than the stock TB and I guarantee other members with the flowed TB have to.

The improved response of these units is because the air flow is already moving towards the butterfly at closed position rather than having to change direction and build velocity from stand-still as the BF opens - this of course equals faster throttle response in both manuals and autos. :thumbsup:

So how much do you charge?? I'd love to get my TB hi-flowed but CBF'd doing it myself as of yet - and wouldn't trust any workshops in perth to do it (too far away....)

Your work looks pretty good from the pics - but I guess your name would be mud if you did a bodgy job for any AMC regular, and I don't think anyone would like to see that happen. (I seem to remember a couple of companies have had their names dragged thru the mud on these forums *cough*RPW*cough*AAC*cough*pedders*cough*and more*cough)

Man I need to see a doctor about this cough.

Are you a mechanic ez? Or do this for fun?

Neither, I'm in this for love.... :bowrofl:

My father is the ex-speedway champ, mechanical fitter/turner and machinist, so I have pretty good advice and a good amount of literature available that I'm slowly getting through. Mostly Ford and Chev books from the 1970's but still very relevant for working natch asp engines.

I really want to do a set of heads soon too. Work seems to get in the way of all the things I want to do :doubt:

*** THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED 2nd APRIL 2005 ***

I had to walk through fire to get the *spare* tb initially - no bugger want to part with them!

I'm asking $90 fitted in Newcastle or +Freight costs to anywhere else. I might be a trusting guy but I still need a $110 deposit on YOUR tb until I get it back. Intial cost $200neat.

I'm donating $10 from each tb sale to the Aussiemagna club too! I know Blake will be on my case now :P

How it works:

Tell me which model Magna you have and if you have hoses attached to "A", "E" or "P" on top of your TB. If you have cruise everything is rosy.

I have units to suit:
* TE-F with cruise
* TE-F no cruise
* TH-TL with cruise
* TH-TL no cruise
* still trying to get a spare TH-TL with cruise and Traction control :(

Manual owners will be able to enjoy this mod too. Ask BRICK (3L manual)

So let me get this clear..... I've got a TJ with cruz control, so I send you $240+ ($90 + $150 deposit + something to cover the postage from your end) and a few days later I get a replacement TB that will suit my vehicle.

Very next chance I get (might have to wait til the W'end in my case) I remove my orig TB, replace with the unit you send and package mine up and post it to you. Drive around for a week or so with replacement TB....

Then one day I come home and open a parcel to find my TB returned now nice and flowey - stay up way too late swapping it over that night cause I can't wait, then post the original back to you, and a couple of days later I get refunded $150.

Sound about right??

If so - PM will be sent shortly (ps I'm also interested in any plans or tips you could give me in regards to making a sealed airbox to hold a K&N oval filter - but that will probably have to be another day..... trying to buy a house and all :rant: )

So let me get this clear..... I've got a TJ with cruz control, so I send you $240+ ($90 + $150 deposit + something to cover the postage from your end) and a few days later I get a replacement TB that will suit my vehicle.

Very next chance I get (might have to wait til the W'end in my case) I remove my orig TB, replace with the unit you send and package mine up and post it to you. Drive around for a week or so with replacement TB....

Then one day I come home and open a parcel to find my TB returned now nice and flowey - stay up way too late swapping it over that night cause I can't wait, then post the original back to you, and a couple of days later I get refunded $150.

Sound about right??

If so - PM will be sent shortly (ps I'm also interested in any plans or tips you could give me in regards to making a sealed airbox to hold a K&N oval filter - but that will probably have to be another day..... trying to buy a house and all :rant: )

Sounds spot on :thumbsup: The only difference is that I electronically refund your deposit the SAME day I get the tb back!

The TB come with FULL instructions and 24hr phone support (more coffee please :doubt: ) and will take a one-armed man about 30-45mins tops to fit. Kits also comes with bolts to block the coolant lines during the fitout but that will make more sense during the work. :D

I had to walk through fire to get the *spare* tb initially - no bugger want to part with them!

I'm asking $90 fitted in Newcastle or +Freight costs to anywhere else. I might be a trusting guy but I still need a $150 deposit on YOUR tb until I get it back.



Would you be interested in doing long distance ones ? :) as in posted to you modified and posted back ? that way no exchange is needed or anything like that. For me(can't speak for others) theres no real rush, I have a regular lift to work so the car is not vital :P

Matthius

wouldn't it be easier to get a couple of second hand ones and high-flow em, then when you sell them to people , get those people to send u their regular TB's, then high-flow them ready for the next peopel to buy etc. ?

half the labour/time concerns


later :cool:

EZ BOY

what happens if there is a gap under there ? u guys (asked) mentioned is there a gap..[/QUOTE]



was the question...what IF there is a gap ?

Would you be interested in doing long distance ones ? :) as in posted to you modified and posted back ? that way no exchange is needed or anything like that. For me(can't speak for others) theres no real rush, I have a regular lift to work so the car is not vital :P

Matthius

Sure can, I can flow it and have it back in barely 2-3 days. PM for postall address etc. Which model Magna do you have?

wouldn't it be easier to get a couple of second hand ones and high-flow em, then when you sell them to people , get those people to send u their regular TB's, then high-flow them ready for the next peopel to buy etc. ?

half the labour/time concerns


later :cool:

Absolutely, problem is that no one is really willing to sell me a TB because it makes it harder to sell the entire engine. I'm actually after an upper inlet manifold too, so if you see one out there PM me!!!

I'd like additional TB's so if you have spare ones lying around maybe we can work out a deal?? :D

hey guys,
EZ BOY fitted up my throttle body today, I am very happy with the results. Took him around half an hour to fit and i was able to drive out the door.
results are as followed find more responsive throttle in the low rev range and slgiht increase in torque. he also gave me a drive of his AWD magna and cirtainly much improved over a standard auto magna, more noticible then on my manual even though manual still has a noticible change.
Definatly recomend this as a budget mod with sum nice improvements
and at 90 bucks you cant go wrong.($10 bucks of this go staright back into AMC as well)

and for those worried about his quality of work, i dont let anything substandard on my car so i checked it all out and im very happy with his attention to detail

nice work and thank you EZ BOY

Im in Adelaide, so if I sent my TB to you, how long would it be till I could get it back? I dont need the temp swapover TB as I bus to work. As long as its less than a week Im am keen to get it done!! How do we pay? Electronic Transfer or send a cheque with the TB?
Cheers
Pete

yeh ezboy done mine as well and did a good job as well as having a good chat with him about anything else i wanted to know, he is a good bloke and does a good job,
thanks champ
jaz

Im in Adelaide, so if I sent my TB to you, how long would it be till I could get it back? I dont need the temp swapover TB as I bus to work. As long as its less than a week Im am keen to get it done!! How do we pay? Electronic Transfer or send a cheque with the TB?
Cheers
Pete

I guarantee that I can machine the TB the same night I receive it and post it the very next day. I'm the kind of guy who appreciates that everyone is busy and can't spare time with their car off the road or worse: being f*cked around by suppliers who aren't conducting themselves with the same urgency. That's one of the main reasons I took this on.

If we express post both ways, assuming your TB makes the monday flight, you should honestly have it friday for the weekend yeah?

Payment is easiest and fastest by electronic transfer. Of course a money order or bank cheque with the tb in your situation is fine too. I can't accept personal cheques though, nor monopoly money :P

PM for contact and banking details. See if you can find out what it costs to post from you to Newcastle NSW. Just add that amount to the $90 and make that the total - that should cover freight from my end.

Cheers.

hey guys,
EZ BOY fitted up my throttle body today, I am very happy with the results. Took him around half an hour to fit and i was able to drive out the door.
results are as followed find more responsive throttle in the low rev range and slgiht increase in torque. he also gave me a drive of his AWD magna and cirtainly much improved over a standard auto magna, more noticible then on my manual even though manual still has a noticible change.
Definatly recomend this as a budget mod with sum nice improvements
and at 90 bucks you cant go wrong.($10 bucks of this go staright back into AMC as well)

and for those worried about his quality of work, i dont let anything substandard on my car so i checked it all out and im very happy with his attention to detail

nice work and thank you EZ BOY

Hows the TB going?? Used to it yet?

Don't forget to drop in a Newcastle flyer Friday if you're going past!! (letterbox #2) Thanks!

Most of the Newcastle guys know, but I'll tell everyone else: I'll fit the TB's for free in Newcastle!

Remember that $10 from each TB goes BACK to help AMC, that means YOU :thumbsup:

just got back from a trip to armidale 4.5 hour trip, and wow must say very much improved economy. By far the best ecconimy the car has given me since i got it. So now i can vouch for the improvd econemy the throttle body gives

Thanks for the patience of the several people hassling me about adding this as standard. I *was* getting around to it. Honest ;)

Without further ado, my first fully polished, with directional consideration, ported Throttle Body.

The syringe shows the first milling burr volume (approx 6.5cm3). This is before final finishing and polishing was conducted. I guess accurately that I have been able to remove 7.5-8cm3 of material from within the airflow in the TB.

The last pic here is of the inside of the intake plenum, just for interests sake.

Is this flowed enuf for y'all? :cool:


EDIT APRIL 6th: I have 2 x flowed TB's with cruise ready to ship right NOW. PM or post for details. I have 1 x non-cruise unit to suit TE & TF only also coming online asap.

11/4/05 See my latest post in this thread for pics of my latest polished/ported TB!!
do you still have a non cruise model in stock there ready and done if so can i purchase it off you and send you mine when i receive your one
exchange system you know
cheers
barney

do you still have a non cruise model in stock there ready and done if so can i purchase it off you and send you mine when i receive your one
exchange system you know
cheers
barney

Yeah I've just got a TF unit without cruise back on Thursday, apart from de-carbonizing it, I haven't touched it yet. Can get it organised for dispatch later this week if that's cool. PM for more specific details :cool:

Just do me a quick favour and kick your hood and tell me how many hoses go into the top of your TB near the cast letters "A,E & P". You should only have 1x line attached to "P" and no brass coloured dome like the one in these photos.

I'm thinking I want one of these too.. Me being in Newy, would it be possible for you to do my existing one and refit it to the car? Pedantic maybe, but I'd prefer to keep my original one :) Obviously I'd need a loaner fitted while you did mine. Also, you remove and fit them yourself, don't you? Being on Life Part 2, I have bugger-all in the way of tools/equipment/garage/etc these days. :)

I'm thinking I want one of these too.. Me being in Newy, would it be possible for you to do my existing one and refit it to the car? Pedantic maybe, but I'd prefer to keep my original one :) Obviously I'd need a loaner fitted while you did mine. Also, you remove and fit them yourself, don't you? Being on Life Part 2, I have bugger-all in the way of tools/equipment/garage/etc these days. :)

Sure, that's easy. Does your TH have cruise and hose lines to all of "A,E & P". It should do. Just check for me 'cause I have an unflowed unit to swap with you asap while I work on yours :)

I usually have a bit of spare time AH on Wed's before touch footy at Wallsend but PM and we can tee up something to suit. I'm off Mon and Tues if that's a help.

I can help anyone out with base settings who is local to Newy. Base settinged beyond all belief :P

Sure, that's easy. Does your TH have cruise and hose lines to all of "A,E & P". It should do. Just check for me 'cause I have an unflowed unit to swap with you asap while I work on yours :)

I usually have a bit of spare time AH on Wed's before touch footy at Wallsend but PM and we can tee up something to suit. I'm off Mon and Tues if that's a help.

Thanks dude. Mine has cruise, no clue about the hoses, I'll have to check. I'm not in any rush at all, probably take me months to get around to it :)

Yeah I've just got a TF unit without cruise back on Thursday, apart from de-carbonizing it, I haven't touched it yet. Can get it organised for dispatch later this week if that's cool. PM for more specific details :cool:

Just do me a quick favour and kick your hood and tell me how many hoses go into the top of your TB near the cast letters "A,E & P". You should only have 1x line attached to "P" and no brass coloured dome like the one in these photos.
yeah thats right one hose on p slot
i will pm now

Does your TH have cruise and hose lines to all of "A,E & P".

Yep, hoses to all 3.

Yep, hoses to all 3.

Magic. You can have the TB that's already been polished and ported in the above photo's if you like. PM for additional info if you're keen. :thumbsup:

I'm not in any rush at all, probably take me months to get around to it :)

I might have retired by then!

I might have retired by then!

Doh, better not hang around then. PM sent. :)

So "what does it do?" I get asked.

The lip cast into the OE TB hinders airflow at part throttle (butterfly slightly open) by blocking airflow into the bottom of the BF and disrupts airflow at this point when BF is open at most points.

By machining the lips (x4) and smoothing a more direct path to the butterfly opening at part throttle, a more responsive engine results. I also polish the TB with directional motions to further enhance flow at part throttle - see previous pics.

The diagrams below over simplify the actual work done, but explain the function well enuf. See how airflow is disrupted not just along the walls of the TB but in adjacent air paths. I have included a pic of the lips on stock TB's but the pic does not show the poor air entry angles to the butterfly's opening edges (which I dedicate a good amount of time and effort into correcting).

So "what does it do?" I get asked.

The lip cast into the OE TB hinders airflow at part throttle (butterfly slightly open) by blocking airflow into the bottom of the BF and disrupts airflow at this point when BF is open at most points.

Nice diagram, thanks for taking the time. :)

EZ boy tried to send pm, mailbox full

PM box still full :(

My PM went as follows
Hey Mate,

I'm definatly interested but probably not for a few weeks if that is ok?

So have I got this rite? I send you $200. You send me your spare TB, i fit that then send you my my TB. You then work your magic, send it back and I send yours back and I get $110 back with $10 of the $90 going to AMC?

From your Friendly WA AMC member
Icarian

Arr Sorry! Got 16PM's last night - caught me well and truely with my dacks down :redface:

Icarian: Does your TJ have cruise? If it does I now have a straight swap unit to suit. Saves 1 lot of handling and postage.

PM sent

Had my high flow t/b fitted today by EZ Boy, have to say im very impressed. Makes a far bigger difference than I expected, part throttle openings are fantastic and it now shifts dead on 6000rpm. The only bad thing I have to say is that you really have to watch your speed because now accelerating is quite a bit more effortless. Thank you Ez Boy, well worth while and a whole ****load cheaper than RPW. :cool:

Now that you've had a few hours to drive it in, how much better than the *other* flowed TB you had is it? Did you get as much touch-pedal response from the R** one?

BTW loved the CAI, looks stock and is nice and tidy. TL owners take note!!!! :cool:

Without blowing smoke up anyone, the T/b looks better flowed than the RPW one I received and has less paint (stuff) to attempt to overcome a bad seal. Overall its a pretty cheap mod that has made a noticeable difference, also my accelerator is far less sticky?? than it used to be, easier to move smoothly. Very happy :P

Quite true no paint, that was on RPW one.

Without blowing smoke up anyone, the T/b looks better flowed than the RPW one I received and has less paint (stuff) to attempt to overcome a bad seal. Overall its a pretty cheap mod that has made a noticeable difference, also my accelerator is far less sticky?? than it used to be, easier to move smoothly. Very happy :P

Um, I think you meant: "NO PAINT" etc to overcome a bad seal :) Imagine if someone did use a Bog on the butterfly (not the bullet-proof gunk that MMAL actually use to seal the shaft) and it came away and was ingested!!

Glad you're enjoying it, should make a life much more pleasant living in the City.

I'll keep you posted on the work on the extractors. Thank Ben again for me when you see him next. Cheers.

Without blowing smoke up anyone, the T/b looks better flowed...

It should do; I just realised (when preparing another one for Icarian) that it takes damn near 6hours to do these!! Including the odd interuption and lots of hand polishing to get every possible flow advantage. Guess I'm a picky bastard :D

I just ordered 3 more TB's for off-the-shelf orders :cool:

I will have TB's to suit:

* TE & TF with Cruise
* TE & TF no Cruise
* TH to TL with Cruise
* and TH to TL no Cruise

I thinks that's everyone covered :thumbsup:

I guess I'll have to start working on these aluminium billets I *found* and make a few twin 50mm TB that bolt upto the plenum with out mods.

I could always finish the heads I keep never getting around to doing.

Or the strut brace I really need in my TF.

Or the centrifugal SC kit for the 3.5's

Or the headers I've been putting off to suit the AWD..

:coffee:

So If I turned up on your doorstep we could fit one immediately, and you hold my TB to do for someone else, and hand you $90, its cool??

BTW, Mine is TF manual sans cruise.

It is virtually the same distance/time as driving to Sydney for me, so that isn't really a big deal.

Maybe around June?

haha forget it dude, now the cat's out of the bag you'll be flowing TBs till the cows come home - you'll never have time for all those other things :badgrin:

I just ordered 3 more TB's for off-the-shelf orders :cool:

I will have TB's to suit:

* TE & TF with Cruise
* TE & TF no Cruise
* TH to TL with Cruise
* and TH to TL no Cruise

I thinks that's everyone covered :thumbsup:

I guess I'll have to start working on these aluminium billets I *found* and make a few twin 50mm TB that bolt upto the plenum with out mods.

I could always finish the heads I keep never getting around to doing.

Or the strut brace I really need in my TF.

Or the centrifugal SC kit for the 3.5's

Or the headers I've been putting off to suit the AWD..

:coffee:

Okay guys, after EZ finishes with my TB leave him alone, I wouldn't mind a SC kit or a strut brace either :)

So If I turned up on your doorstep we could fit one immediately, and you hold my TB to do for someone else, and hand you $90, its cool??

BTW, Mine is TF manual sans cruise.

It is virtually the same distance/time as driving to Sydney for me, so that isn't really a big deal.

Maybe around June?

That'll be sweet. Take about 30minutes out of your day. Give me some notice so I can hold a unit for you. I can always pop it in the post to you like a lot of people have done. It's a very simple install if that stuff daunts you. Ask BRICK, 97_verada, greenmatt about how long it took me to do and how easy it is. :thumbsup:

yep only took him about halfa to do mine

To those it concerns:

Just flick out the plastic cap to expose the Idle Adjust Screw. It can be adjusted with either flathead or phillipshead screwdrivers. Just check it's threaded ALL the way IN - firmly, not insanely tight. All done ;)

Cheers!

Gday Ezboy

Great to see somebody doing these at a very reasonable price! I have actually done mine myself but was hoping you wouldn't mind if I clarified a couple of things with you.

Behind the butterfly do you completely remove both of the visible restrictions completely? Basically when I had finished I had removed the restriction on both the top (small bump) and bottom (large step) before the butterfly (front of tb) and the restriction on the top (large step) after the butterfly and finally the bump right at the end of the tb bottom (large bump) grinding it down until it was level?

Basically just after piece of mind it definately has more throttle response I'd just like to know that it's somewhat similar to your works of art :)

Also just noticed your pic of the idle adjustment is this because ppl that have fitted the flowed tb have found there idle revs higher? as I am now hovering a little higher as well now but was unsure whether to muck around with the setting.

Also wondering what your views are on bypassing the coolent through the tb method that a couple of guys have brought up on these forums?

That's all for now hoping you can put my ticking mind to rest :)

Gday Ezboy

Great to see somebody doing these at a very reasonable price! I have actually done mine myself but was hoping you wouldn't mind if I clarified a couple of things with you.

Behind the butterfly do you completely remove both of the visible restrictions completely? Basically when I had finished I had removed the restriction on both the top (small bump) and bottom (large step) before the butterfly (front of tb) and the restriction on the top (large step) after the butterfly and finally the bump right at the end of the tb bottom (large bump) grinding it down until it was level?

Basically just after piece of mind it definately has more throttle response I'd just like to know that it's somewhat similar to your works of art :)

Yeah I go pretty agro getting the line of flow as FLAT as I possibly can (see pics in Post #1) so the air is right up against the butterfly (BF) ready to poor through at the slightest throttle touch. Getting into the material just behind the BF helps get the velocity up too. I spend about 25% of the machining time on the top area before the BF leveling the airflow in a dead straight line to the BF opening. The key is to try to get an even opening thru the tiniest part throttle opening onwards. I then cross-polish the entire airflow path and the final two polish rounds are in the direction of the air flow to facilitate the air movement into the engine.

What you've done sounds spot-on. Luv to see some pics some time.


Also just noticed your pic of the idle adjustment is this because ppl that have fitted the flowed tb have found there idle revs higher? as I am now hovering a little higher as well now but was unsure whether to muck around with the setting.

I had to put this post up because when I clean out the TB after I've finished working it, I open out the IAS and sometimes (on my own car last week) forget to retighten this screw - resulting in high idle speeds. I assure you it's the only thing I forget ;) I'm usually jumping with excitement at knowing it's practically finished and racing to get it into the post that day for some lucky folk.


Also wondering what your views are on bypassing the coolent through the tb method that a couple of guys have brought up on these forums?

That's all for now hoping you can put my ticking mind to rest :)

I've never given it a lot of thought, except that nearly every TB on near every late model car I've seen has this setup. There's a little wax pellet in the ICS that allows air to bypass the BF on cold starts. As it warms up the ICS path closes and idle returns to normal. Bypassing this system may make the car hard to start and unpredictable in cool weather, but that's just a theory.

thanks for getting back to me mate.

Yeah I've staired at your photos quite a bit but can't quite make out the crucial detail in some of them but by what you've described I think I can relax a little. In summary I've shaved everything down to be level other than a very slight slope directly on each side of the butterfly to make sure it seals. The thing I was worried about was the fact I had completely flattened the bump on the rear and I recall reading something briefly where someone mentioned they left it. It's good to hear you flatten yours out as well.

Yeah meant to take some pics but the sun was starting to set and I needed to get the car back on the road overall I was happy with the results but the thing that sets yours apart is that beautiful polished finish, I basically hit mine with a wire brush on the dremel which smoothed it down nicely but definately not as mirror as yours (couldn't find any metal polish anywhere)

anyways keep up the good work mate will watch your progress on the extractors closely

thanks for getting back to me mate.

Yeah I've staired at your photos quite a bit but can't quite make out the crucial detail in some of them but by what you've described I think I can relax a little. In summary I've shaved everything down to be level other than a very slight slope directly on each side of the butterfly to make sure it seals. The thing I was worried about was the fact I had completely flattened the bump on the rear and I recall reading something briefly where someone mentioned they left it. It's good to hear you flatten yours out as well.

Yeah meant to take some pics but the sun was starting to set and I needed to get the car back on the road overall I was happy with the results but the thing that sets yours apart is that beautiful polished finish, I basically hit mine with a wire brush on the dremel which smoothed it down nicely but definately not as mirror as yours (couldn't find any metal polish anywhere)

anyways keep up the good work mate will watch your progress on the extractors closely

Just remember not to cut deeper than the TB gasket. The rest is in the name of Progress!

I polish the TB's using 3 grades of paper - no polish. It's impossible to get mirrorlike but any improvement is certainly welcome.

And to the DYI guys pumping this for hints here's the mother of them all: USE KERO as a CUTTING OIL. Stops the tips clogging up, reduces heat and help the speed of the cut. Only a little bit on your finger smeared around the area you're about to work and on the cutting tip.

Just remember not to cut deeper than the TB gasket. The rest is in the name of Progress!

I polish the TB's using 3 grades of paper - no polish. It's impossible to get mirrorlike but any improvement is certainly welcome.

And to the DYI guys pumping this for hints here's the mother of them all: USE KERO as a CUTTING OIL. Stops the tips clogging up, reduces heat and help the speed of the cut. Only a little bit on your finger smeared around the area you're about to work and on the cutting tip.

thanks again mate, that's actually the one thing I'm worried about I didn't check the depth with the gasket at all just ground it flat so there's a chance I went to far too late now if I did I guess might check it later if I get a chance.

I forgot to ask what kind of idle do you set the cars to? I've heard neutral at about 850rpm when warm is good?

Thanks for your tips for the diyers I actually enjoyed doing mine (Even though I may of potentially screwed it now) but considering the time involved what your charging is a very reasonable price!

I just got back from work and while at work my mate installed my new TB :D

I haven't taken it for a really good long spin yet, just a small deture on the way home. I'm happy with my new addition, soon as I got into her to put her in the lock up at work I could hear a change in exhuast note when idling and greater response when taking off.

Anyways, took a lil deture on the way home and could feel a greater response in all the gears at different revs but espcially from take off, seems 2 rev out a lil less effortless too.

All in all I am one happy customer, I'm actually happier with this purchase than my pace makers. Honestly, its not some super performance part but i am definatly happy

To EZ Boy --> :bowdown: :thumbsup: :bowdown:

Keep up the good work :)

That'll be sweet. Take about 30minutes out of your day. Give me some notice so I can hold a unit for you. I can always pop it in the post to you like a lot of people have done. It's a very simple install if that stuff daunts you. Ask BRICK, 97_verada, greenmatt about how long it took me to do and how easy it is. :thumbsup:

30 mins? With an extra set of hands, I bet we can get it down to 20mins!

Thats great. I do come over every 6 months or so to Maitland/East Hills area, so I will let you know when that will next be, and make sure you have one ready to go for me. If' I am coning over anyway, may as well save on the postage.

And a face to face with othe members is good too.

30 mins? With an extra set of hands, I bet we can get it down to 20mins!

My mate hadn't worked on a magna but with the instructions EZ Boy sends with the package it makes an pretty easy job straight forward.

EZ send you out a full list of instructions inclduing:
-Check List of Tools you need
-Easy to follow step by step instructions and safety tips
-A Picture with numbers relating to the instructions

The paper work and the machine work is just all soo neat and tidy, you can tell EZ has put the effort into it.

The best thing I liked about my mate installing it, he has never driving my car before but has never knocked it, he likes it. He drove it home from work to do the install. He is a Mr VY SS Ute man :) and he said on IRC something along the lines of "Wow, Magnas have alot of power" so I should see if my bro has it logged and copy/paste it here :cool:

WOW! Thanks Icarian, that really means a lot to me. I've spent a lot of time and money getting this project together and it trips me out that other people are enjoying the mod as much as I still do.

I hope you enjoy the psycho TB I've sent you. That was my private TB - and I do miss it :cry:

When you stop roaring all over town letting people know your Magna is longer stock :lol: you will actually notice that you get BETTER FUEL ECONOMY not worse as I expected. The early entry of air leans out the rich mixture early in the TB opening phase and deliveres POWER using the fuel already administered - how cool! :dancin:

30 mins? With an extra set of hands, I bet we can get it down to 20mins!

Thats great. I do come over every 6 months or so to Maitland/East Hills area, so I will let you know when that will next be, and make sure you have one ready to go for me. If' I am coning over anyway, may as well save on the postage.

And a face to face with othe members is good too.

Sweet as. :thumbsup:

Give me as much notice as possible so I don't send out the TB you need beforehand.

It might take 20mins to fit and 6hours to finish talking about our cars :bowrofl:

I forgot to ask what kind of idle do you set the cars to? I've heard neutral at about 850rpm when warm is good?

Factory recommends 700rpm give or take 100rpm. High idle just uses fuel. Sure it get you moving faster but just uses more fuel :doubt:

WOW! Thanks Icarian, that really means a lot to me. I've spent a lot of time and money getting this project together and it trips me out that other people are enjoying the mod as much as I still do.

I hope you enjoy the psycho TB I've sent you. That was my private TB - and I do miss it :cry:

When you stop roaring all over town letting people know your Magna is longer stock lol you will actually notice that you get BETTER FUEL ECONOMY not worse as I expected. The early entry of air leans out the rich mixture early in the TB opening phase and deliveres POWER using the fuel already administered - how cool! dancin

I have no problem prasing someone when it is deserved and it is definatly deserved. Awesome work all around :thumbsup:

I don't think i have giving some many " :thumbsup: 's" before EZ came along.

My 1st thought was worse fuel economy until i read the posts of some of the other fellas who have had it done previously to me :)

Its funny how you called it my new Pyscho TB, the guy who installed it, his nick is Pyscho. Hope your not missing it too much man, i didn't realise I had gotten your personal one until I spoke to you on the phone after it arrived. I could have waited, or do you have some bigger planned for your new TB??? !!! ???

How are you mate... been reading about youre throttle bodys. I have a couple of orders if you want to get in touch. One is a TJ VRX and the other a TE V6. Drop me a line when you get a chance and we will have a chat about it. BTW i am also in Newcastle.

Cheers mate

Mon

How are you mate... been reading about youre throttle bodys. I have a couple of orders if you want to get in touch. One is a TJ VRX and the other a TE V6. Drop me a line when you get a chance and we will have a chat about it. BTW i am also in Newcastle.

Cheers mate

Mon

Thanks for the interest, PM sent, we'll sort something out. Too EZ ;)

i didn't realise I had gotten your personal one until I spoke to you on the phone after it arrived. I could have waited, or do you have some bigger planned for your new TB??? !!! ???

I've always got an ace up my sleeve. Tonba and I are scheming at this very moment...

I've always got an ace up my sleeve. Tonba and I are scheming at this very moment...

:think: What do u have up ur sleeve? Sounds interesting...

I've always got an ace up my sleeve. Tonba and I are scheming at this very moment...

share the knowledge!!! :D

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Greetings All.

LOL!!! All in good time...its all still in the pipeline!! But we will keep those who are interested, very much updated!!! :D

Take Care All,
--Tonba
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Greetings All.

LOL!!! All in good time...its all still in the pipeline!! But we will keep those who are interested, very much updated!!! :D

Take Care All,
--Tonba
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Nice Avatar Tonba :)

I'm interested, feel free to keep me updated on anything you guys have in the pipe line :)

I am wanting one of these done. Am I able to just send you the tb, you flow it and then send it back? Does this just cost $90?

Thanks

I am wanting one of these done. Am I able to just send you the tb, you flow it and then send it back? Does this just cost $90?

Thanks

If you don't need a loaner while he does yours, then yep he can do that. Not sure about the freight either way though, might be $90 + freight.

Ian dude your famous for these TB's now and to think i got one of the first one must make me a pioneer in the field. Ill be in newy this weeknd so are you working at the car wash? I might duck down if i get the chance but i gotta help the gf move house again back to my town so might not get the chance but if i do ill be there for sure, not sure if ill bring the verada as i may need the pajero to tow a trailer and fit all her junk (precious items) in to bring back with me.

keep grinding out those TBs
jaz

Looks like Ian will be one busy guy for a lil while... :)

Is there anything i need to know about taking my tb off? Heaps of pictures of the finished product but nothing to tell you how to pull it off :D .

Do I just pull off the hoses etc and go from there?

Is there anything i need to know about taking my tb off? Heaps of pictures of the finished product but nothing to tell you how to pull it off :D .

Do I just pull off the hoses etc and go from there?

This is from a previous post of mine in this thread.

EZ send you out a full list of instructions inclduing:
-Check List of Tools you need
-Easy to follow step by step instructions and safety tips
-A Picture with numbers relating to the instructions

The installation is pretty easy and basic and almost anyone could do it with the instructions sent, well, almost anyone...

Yeah but i am sending mine down and not getting a loan of one. Therefore no instructions to take it off.

Yeah but i am sending mine down and not getting a loan of one. Therefore no instructions to take it off.

PM me with your email address and I'll buzz the Installation/Removal Guide to you ASAP. :D

This thing sounds interesting but are there any side effects to doing this? If it's so much better then why doesn't Mitsubishi have it as OEM? I'm not doubting your work, the testimonials speak for themselves, just curious.

This thing sounds interesting but are there any side effects to doing this? If it's so much better then why doesn't Mitsubishi have it as OEM? I'm not doubting your work, the testimonials speak for themselves, just curious.

The bottom line is price. The throttle body is a cast piece of aluminium, and as such it has ridges and burrs left from the casting process. To clean it up like EZ Boy does doesn't sound like much effort, but it would add quite a few dollars to the cost of manufacturing each car - something they try very hard to reduce, especially when you're producing thousands of cars a year.

Hmm, I know very little about cars and before reading this post I didn't even know what a throttle body was! I've been doing some reading though and this sounds very interesting indeed, especially when considering the price of some performance throttle bodies out there (seen a lot of $700 Commodore ones). I'm contemplating a trip from Sydney to NC but maybe not for another week or two, very busy atm.

I've been told RPW sell ported factory ones (same as what EZ Boy does) for about $200. You could probably spend many times that on an oversized aftermarket one, but that wouldn be no use to you unless you were planning a mega-horsepower monster.

This thing sounds interesting but are there any side effects to doing this? If it's so much better then why doesn't Mitsubishi have it as OEM? I'm not doubting your work, the testimonials speak for themselves, just curious.

It's not done as OEM because it has to cater for the lowest common denominator driver likely to be in the car. Imagine Grandma throwing her 15" rimmed Magna sideways into a shopfront everytime she hit the gas!

The Mitsu OEM TB has pretty thin walls = not much to remove for oversizing. RPW realised that a 1.5mm gain was barely worth the drama of replacing the butterfly, which I was told rarely went to plan :redface:

Chev/Holden on the other hand have an OEM 60mm tb bore for their Buick Ecotec and derivative V6's which due it's VERY thick walls, can just be bored upto 75mm!!! A friend and I are boring them upto 70mm units and have 22 on back order waiting to be done. We started making them just last Thursday!!!! With this oversized TB we gained 11kw atw, with headers and 2.5" exhaust we managed 19k atw. The real difference is the improvement all across the curve - now much flatter and more power available across the spectrum.

Back to Magna land...... :roll:

An oversize TB has several ways to be done - none cheap. Tonba and I are playing with some ideas and researching other vehicle designs for inspiration.

Sure I ranted a bit and have probably just created another 100hrs of work replying to people wanting info on oversized TB's. Well... there's nothing to say yet. So no PM's please :coffee:

Hehe, thanks for the info. It really helped. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Hehe, thanks for the info. It really helped. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Hi EZ Boy.

Was wondering if you can do a TJ ralliart one, or is it already modified. The problem is that I am in Sydney, so I was wondering, If I would make the trip in your lovely city, would you be able to take it down, modify and fitted back in one day?

What do yoy think? How possible is it?

If not what other options I have?

Ta

Hi EZ Boy.

Was wondering if you can do a TJ ralliart one, or is it already modified. The problem is that I am in Sydney, so I was wondering, If I would make the trip in your lovely city, would you be able to take it down, modify and fitted back in one day?

What do yoy think? How possible is it?

If not what other options I have?

Ta

It even easier to pop one already done in the post for you. I rarely have daylight hours available for doing TB's.

Your RAM is Auto with Cruise and Traction Control yes? If so I **may** have an exchange unit available in a week or so. :pray:

It even easier to pop one already done in the post for you. I rarely have daylight hours available for doing TB's.

Your RAM is Auto with Cruise and Traction Control yes? If so I **may** have an exchange unit available in a week or so. :pray:

Yeah, you're right. There is one problem though. I have never touched a TB before in my hole life, so I am not sure if I am up to it. How hard is it? Can be done buy a novice willing to try? :doubt:

Yeah, you're right. There is one problem though. I have never touched a TB before in my hole life, so I am not sure if I am up to it. How hard is it? Can be done buy a novice willing to try? :doubt:

Sure can, that's how I started ;) I'll post a tool list on the weekend. I can email you the instructions booklet I send with the TB for you to mull over. PM with email address it you want to have a browse.

Still need to know if you've got TCL???

Sure can, that's how I started ;) I'll post a tool list on the weekend. I can email you the instructions booklet I send with the TB for you to mull over. PM with email address it you want to have a browse.

Still need to know if you've got TCL???

Yeah. Have every thing you mentioned.

And if you say I can do the work myself, then I am very interested. I will PM you.

Still need to know if you've got TCL???

TCL TB's are no prob though, are they EZ Boy ;)

TCL TB's are no prob though, are they EZ Boy ;)

lol :shifty: :D

Yeah, that was fun. I reckon it would have worked if we weren't running out of light/time/patience and knew what we know now about the u-no-wot.

I am getting a TCL equipped TB this week - assuming I can find one at the right price.

Monjunior where are you???

Hey EZ Boy, im new to this site and this is my very first post. im very interested in the TBs youre doin, and was wonderin if youre still doin em? i have a TE with cruise, and am able to get to newcastle any given weekend or afternoon as i still go to school. as i dont have much money at the moment this would be a great start for me to start doin up my car. :D thanks.

Hey EZ Boy, im new to this site and this is my very first post. im very interested in the TBs youre doin, and was wonderin if youre still doin em? i have a TE with cruise, and am able to get to newcastle any given weekend or afternoon as i still go to school. as i dont have much money at the moment this would be a great start for me to start doin up my car. :D thanks.

Too EZ. TE with Cruise should be avail early next week. Will PM when ready - will have to check no-one else has this one marked first though. ;)

ok nice thanks. um, sorry if this is a dumb question, but any ideas on the power it gives or is it just more responsive? either way i still want it but was just curious. thanks.

ok nice thanks. um, sorry if this is a dumb question, but any ideas on the power it gives or is it just more responsive? either way i still want it but was just curious. thanks.

More air = more torque. You will notice more response and a niggle more torque down low. Top power values are not likely to move much. Faster gear changes help.

mines an auto so i dunno bout faster gear changes unless you meant it causes em? im new to all this stuff so dont really know heaps about it sorry, just from reading this thread pretty much. thanks for the help. :D

mines an auto so i dunno bout faster gear changes unless you meant it causes em? im new to all this stuff so dont really know heaps about it sorry, just from reading this thread pretty much. thanks for the help. :D

To summarise: it's not going to turn your machine into a monster, but for $90 it's definitely worth it.
:thumbsup:

ta well thats all im lookin for so its all good. :D nice cheap and effective is always good... :)

mines an auto so i dunno bout faster gear changes unless you meant it causes em? im new to all this stuff so dont really know heaps about it sorry, just from reading this thread pretty much. thanks for the help. :D

It's really for the Auto cars in that they experience the most response. The manuals can change quicker because they rev faster between shifts making for smoother and faster grabs.

It corrects the sluggish takeoff in the auto's without having to punch the throttle to the floor. Part throttle seems to get most of your daily driving done now = less fuel used too.

oh ok cool, yeah i noticed that sluggishness, but since i bought this car after driving around in a 79 toyota corona it hasnt bothered me till now... would be good to have it fixed up. thanks for havin patience with me haha :D

ta well thats all im lookin for so its all good. :D nice cheap and effective is always good... :)

Rarely do all these wonderful characteristics arrive in the same box. I think turbocharade's signature used to read: Fast, Cheap, Reliable - Pick only 2.

Rarely do all these wonderful characteristics arrive in the same box. I think turbocharade's signature used to read: Fast, Cheap, Reliable - Pick only 2.

The usual saying is "..pick any two" :)

lol :shifty: :D

Yeah, that was fun. I reckon it would have worked if we weren't running out of light/time/patience and knew what we know now about the u-no-wot.

I am getting a TCL equipped TB this week - assuming I can find one at the right price.

Monjunior where are you???

G'Day Mate
Did you get TCL the Eqipment the other week.Because i'm would like to do my every soon,this time it wouldn't be like zaphod hopefully,he telled me you guy's had fun with it :bowrofl:

Here we go again:

I'm going to try oversizing one of the TB's I have. I was chewing the fat with a guy who does alloy castings in a furnace at his place (as you do) and he asked me why I didn't flow the TB's a little more and fill the gap with solder = 67mm TB!

Thoughts anyone?

G'Day Mate
Did you get TCL Eqipment the other week.Because i'm would like do my every soon this time want be like zaphod hopefully he telled you guy had fun with it :bowrofl:

The deal is nearly done. The guy is using the motor for a boat and obviously doesn't need traction control :nuts:

The deal is nearly done. The guy is using the motor for a boat and obviously doesn't need traction control :nuts:

Hi
I will be a guinnee pig if you want one & g'day bro out their

When you stop roaring all over town letting people know your Magna is longer stock :lol: you will actually notice that you get BETTER FUEL ECONOMY not worse as I expected. The early entry of air leans out the rich mixture early in the TB opening phase and deliveres POWER using the fuel already administered - how cool! :dancin:

I noticed at the recent dyno day that my AFR was kinda out down low (will post the figures now I have OCR) so I am hoping this will clear that up a little. I have a K&N Panel on mine, and it does reduce your low torque a little, due to the fact it is much more open and the air flows easier (turbulent) while the stock isnt as open and the air sucks harder. Once the revs rise a bit (2500-2600rpm) she really starts to suck and the K&N panel comes into it's own.


Sweet as. :thumbsup:
Give me as much notice as possible so I don't send out the TB you need beforehand.
It might take 20mins to fit and 6hours to finish talking about our cars :bowrofl:
I am making a tenatative date in June - maybe around the 18-19th. Gotta come over and see heathyoung... some computer equipment is coming my way. :D

G'Day Mate
Did you get TCL the Eqipment the other week.Because i'm would like to do my every soon,this time it wouldn't be like zaphod hopefully,he telled me you guy's had fun with it :bowrofl:

We luv Throttle Position Sensors!! Got them by the balls now thought ;)

It even easier to pop one already done in the post for you. I rarely have daylight hours available for doing TB's.

Your RAM is Auto with Cruise and Traction Control yes? If so I **may** have an exchange unit available in a week or so. :pray:

Hey mate,

Any chance with the above? :bowrofl:

Ta,

Adrian

Hey EZ can you let me know when I could get one for a TE V6?
Cheers

have u got a 3L TB no cruise

I noticed at the recent dyno day that my AFR was kinda out down low (will post the figures now I have OCR) so I am hoping this will clear that up a little. I have a K&N Panel on mine, and it does reduce your low torque a little, due to the fact it is much more open and the air flows easier (turbulent) while the stock isnt as open and the air sucks harder. Once the revs rise a bit (2500-2600rpm) she really starts to suck and the K&N panel comes into it's own.


I am making a tenatative date in June - maybe around the 18-19th. Gotta come over and see heathyoung... some computer equipment is coming my way. :D

Would luv to see the dyno afr VS torque. I have no idea what I'm doing in June but PM me closer to the event to remind me - think 10days notice!

Situation:

All TB's are out at present. Need the base TE/TF no cruise to swap for the TCL TB. Need to sacrifice another TB for oversizing over the next fortnight.

Will PM the people I can supply as soon as the corresponding TB is available.

Thanks Everyone ;)


THE VATT: Does your TE have cruise?

megatron: Waiting on a TH TB no cruise to come back - was sent today.

[QUOTE=EZ Boy]Situation:

All TB's are out at present. Need the base TE/TF no cruise to swap for the TCL TB. Need to sacrifice another TB for oversizing over the next fortnight.

Will PM the people I can supply as soon as the corresponding TB is available.

Thanks Everyone ;)


THE VATT: Does your TE have cruise?

QUOTE]

EZ Boy: No cruise, stockers as...

hmm, interesting! everyone seems to be happy with the results and cost.
looking at buying my first magna very soon (tj) and this may very well be the first mod I will look at doing :)

EZ Boy -

I have been reading with great interest about your throttle body wizardry :bowrofl: and I want one, but note your last comment that you are out of stock at present.

I have a TJ VRX with crusie and can you let me know details of how to obtain one of your throttle bodies when one is available, Oh yeah, I am based in Melbourne.

EZ Boy: No cruise, stockers as...

Sh!t. I've just started flogging that unit out to make a 68mm experimental. Don't have enuf $$ to get another TE/TF no cruise atm. Will keep you updated of the situation.


VRX578: Does your VRX have traction control??

Sh!t. I've just started flogging that unit out to make a 68mm experimental. Don't have enuf $$ to get another TE/TF no cruise atm. Will keep you updated of the situation.


VRX578: Does your VRX have traction control??

i've just put a deposit down on a tj advance with cruise.

tell me what i need to do to get a tb sorted through you and consider it done. :)

EZ-Boy - yep have traction control.

[QUOTE=EZ Boy]Sh!t. I've just started flogging that unit out to make a 68mm experimental. Don't have enuf $$ to get another TE/TF no cruise atm. Will keep you updated of the situation.
QUOTE]

Let me know how it goes...!

EZ-Boy - yep have traction control.

I'm still waiting to source the TB with TCL equipment. Will post a Celebration page when it's done!



OSIRIS: Need to know if you have Traction Control? If so you're in the same boat as Spinner, vrx578 and several other for the minute.

Wow You seem to be doing alright with all this EZ Boy... yeah it is a relatively simple mod... I did mine ages ago (http://neilk.customer.netspace.net.au/hiflowtb/throttle.htm) and was sure I gained from it...especially down low where I was looking for more power.

Good luck with the work mate :thumbsup:

Sorry Folks= I have NO non-cruise TB's available at the moment. They are receiving a slight oversizing which may take me several weeks to complete - I have a fulltime job, wife, daughter and another on the way :shock: so time is pretty thin and I get reminded constantly :(

I will endevour to complete EVERY order that is placed as long as people can understand my limitations and be patient. For that I thank you ;)

Cheers.

Any other announcements yet EZ Boy?

(MitsiMonsta knows something but is sworn to secrecy at this stage...)

/me prods EZ Boy* :badgrin:

OSIRIS: Need to know if you have Traction Control? If so you're in the same boat as Spinner, vrx578 and several other for the minute.

i ended up buying a TH with cruise

Still interested in getting this mod done !
EZ BOY?

EZBOY- i ended up buying a TH Advance (with cruise but i dont think it has traction control?)

Still interested in getting this mod done :)

Pretty sure the TH Advances didn't have TCL. Just check for the "TCL" button on the right side of the dash.

osiris: Cool! Well done. I've got a run on cruise units at the moment and I'm waiting for one to be returned that I swapped for a Pod Filter - the person involved is either too busy atm to send it back or hasn't understood the arrangement with the TB - but I hope he'll PM me asap to let me know it's on the way!!! ;)

Just have a look at your TB and check it looks the same as the one's in the photo on this post i.e. that there is only ONE big brass dome on the unit.


MitsiMonsta: Shh!! Check your PM, things have gotten a little complicated with the Muffler Shop. We'll still get one, but which of the two will we buy????

Dude... you just let the cat outta the bag!

:bowrofl:

Oh well, check yer PMs again, reply waiting

osiris: Cool! Well done. I've got a run on cruise units at the moment and I'm waiting for one to be returned that I swapped for a Pod Filter - the person involved is either too busy atm to send it back or hasn't understood the arrangement with the TB - but I hope he'll PM me asap to let me know it's on the way!!! ;)

No problems!



Just have a look at your TB and check it looks the same as the one's in the photo on this post i.e. that there is only ONE big brass dome on the unit.


can't see a photo??

Dude... you just let the cat outta the bag!

:bowrofl:

Oh well, check yer PMs again, reply waiting

pffft, that's been public knowledge for weeks dude. :nuts:

pffft, that's been public knowledge for weeks dude. :nuts:
Not all the info is public knowledge....yet. Or at least that what someone (the man himself) is telling me....

Most of the cat is still in the bag. However I can disclose that the takeover date is 99% likely to be the 1st of July. My father is handing in his resignation tomorrow (1months notice) and this allows him a week with the current owner to go over all the gear and fine point of day to day.

Exciting stuff, esp for Dad, he's been beating his head against the wall in the Mines for 30years. Hope he does well and enjoys working for himself - I do :D

My stepfather is in the same boat.... good luck to ya dad.

you'll be seeing me over there.

My stepfather is in the same boat.... good luck to ya dad.

you'll be seeing me over there.

Yup, me too!

EZBOY: any word back from the guy with the cruise T/B ?

EZBOY: any word back from the guy with the cruise T/B ?

YES!! He's been in touch and he's been enjoying his holiday too much - wish I had that problem :D The TB will be back mid week ready for flowing. Got to check my list to see who's 1st in line. I will PM the first 3 people to see who's ready to rock and roll.

OK peeps it's in and EZ will have my T/B sent on its way first thing Monday.
Sorry for the delay but bad timing on my part made it happen while I was interstate on hols :D (btw this was pointed out before the deal was done)
Taken the car for a short drive to check it out and am pretty happy with the result.

The only prob so far it the idle speed is up. Wound in the idle screw to get it down to a shade over 1k rpm (limit of screw) and it's hunting slightly as well :confused:

I am wanting to do this myself but the only thing that is stressin me is the actual removal of the tb from the engine and the re-fitment. One of the forums showed and explained how to do it but it said i would need feeler guage to set the bf and a multimeter to do sumfin else. :doubt: mines a tj vrx cruise tcl and whatever else they come with. bit of advice is muchly needed thanks :bowdown:

Just 3 hoses, 4 bolts and 2 plugs and its off. I accidently deleted my instructions and i still got it off very easily.

I tuned my t/b this weekend with one of those hand held computers from mitsubishi.
The standard tps was approx 624. I have set mine to 684 and it's running like a treat.
With my twin set up I did have a dead spot down low, but with the tuning of the tps and EZ boys T/B this problem has disapeared. The car changes smoother threw the gears as well.
Great mod, thanks again.... Now I'm just waiting for my pod box :D
With the POD box I'm expecting 140 fwkw, not bad for the big old heavy verada :badgrin:

I tuned my t/b this weekend with one of those hand held computers from mitsubishi.


Ooh, where do you get one of those from?

Sweet thanx micheal

My mate works at mitsubishi and he bought it home for the weekend. Was interesting trying it at diffrent positions

OK peeps it's in and EZ will have my T/B sent on its way first thing Monday.
Sorry for the delay but bad timing on my part made it happen while I was interstate on hols :D (btw this was pointed out before the deal was done)
Taken the car for a short drive to check it out and am pretty happy with the result.

The only prob so far it the idle speed is up. Wound in the idle screw to get it down to a shade over 1k rpm (limit of screw) and it's hunting slightly as well :confused:

Because I have flowed the most recent batch so aggressively, idle speed has been up a little. People were wanting something more aggressive so I took the chance. If it bugs you too much PM and I'll swap it over with mine. I prefer an agro TB personally anyway.

What do you mean by hunting? Once the battery lead is removed the gearbox take time to re-learn and adjust - but it does happen! I've had mine on and off about 20 times now. Did you have to adjust the TPS with the TB I sent you? This can be fine tuned in 2minutes for better running.

PM for more info. Cheers.

Because I have flowed the most recent batch so aggressively, idle speed has been up a little. People were wanting something more aggressive so I took the chance.

So how aggressive is mine, as a matter of interest?

So how aggressive is mine, as a matter of interest?

I can always go further, the more I remove up around the butterfly, the more chance of the seal being less than 100%, hence higher idle. The butterfly stop bolt can be adjusted to take up some of the "gap" if it's a problem.

Note that I don't normally flow this agro, it's just that people were asking for it, so they got it. I'd rather flow "safe" than "stupid". Yours is equal to my personal one at present.

I can always go further, the more I remove up around the butterfly, the more chance of the seal being less than 100%, hence higher idle. The butterfly stop bolt can be adjusted to take up some of the "gap" if it's a problem.

Note that I don't normally flow this agro, it's just that people were asking for it, so they got it. I'd rather flow "safe" than "stupid". Yours is equal to my personal one at present.

I'm happy with it, just wondering. :)

Me too :D

The idle seems to have sorted itself, is now at 900rpm and stable but with the idle screw wound 1/4 turn from all the way in.

Tempting to do this when/if I get a tax cheque this year, if I can sneak it through the wife that is. Couple of questions.
1.Is it fully plug and play? Apart from pulling the battery cable over night and allowing the ECUs to relearn, is anything else required to be done?
2.Is driveability adversely effected? Is the idle speed within normal range?
I've got a 2003 KJ2 Verada wagon with no mods.

Tempting to do this when/if I get a tax cheque this year, if I can sneak it through the wife that is. Couple of questions.
1.Is it fully plug and play? Apart from pulling the battery cable over night and allowing the ECUs to relearn, is anything else required to be done?
2.Is driveability adversely effected? Is the idle speed within normal range?
I've got a 2003 KJ2 Verada wagon with no mods.

lol The baby seat kill the fuel economy in my TF too!

Quick(?) Answers:

1. Yep. Pnp. I don't even pull the battery anymore. I mean, I change my TB every week so I guess my ECU is used to it. Try the install without cutting power. If you feel like it's not getting the message after a week, cut the power for 5mins and reattach.

Be prepared for slow gear shifts in the auto thou.

2. I thought I had made a bad when doing a recent batch of TB's because I could see a little light around the butterfly. Turns out the lip in the stock TB hides the gap because the factory fitment isn't always brilliant. I can prove it because I don't machine under the butterfly seat. I don't even sand polish there either like I used to in the early days - Icarian loves that TB I did! It was my personal TB, never to be sold and all that :doubt:

So to answer the Q, idle speed returns to normal if it isn't already there or within +50-100rpm max.

Driveability: I luv it. It's the best mod I think I've done so far. Auto's get improved throttle response: this is so cool at low traffic speeds. Improved fuel economy too. Manuals get a zippy throttle and faster gear changes as a result (I have a 5spd manual TF too).

Feel free to ask other members how they're going, I'd like to know how everyone is going with their TB's. There's always more to learn.

I hope I'm not out of line quoting dyno figures from a PM but I though people would like to hear them:

AMC member's dyno runs:

Stock: 3L Manual: 163HP / 121Kw atw

With Pod, my flowed TB: 170HP / 127.2Kw atw

Wasn't able to get the CAI fitted in time before the dyno run. Can only expect these figures to improve with it fitted.


Nice gain for bugger-all money spent!

Stock: 3L Manual: 163HP / 121Kw atw
I'm happy to put my hand up as a happy customer (but I guess EZ Boy knew that already!) Gotta call foul on these numbers though. 121Kw at the wheels from a stock 3.0? No way. I know of at least one TJ Sports 3.5 manual (163Kw at the fly) that puts down 120Kw at the wheels. How does a *stock* 3.0 do 121?

I'm happy to put my hand up as a happy customer (but I guess EZ Boy knew that already!) Gotta call foul on these numbers though. 121Kw at the wheels from a stock 3.0? No way. I know of at least one TJ Sports 3.5 manual (163Kw at the fly) that puts down 120Kw at the wheels. How does a *stock* 3.0 do 121?

The car is a TF, I'm assuming it's only 3L.

Sounds good EZ Boy :)

Can you kindly PM me more about these flowed TBs? My PM doesn't work.

PM me, and I will email you back to get things happening :)

Better throttle response...yeah!

Jeff

Sounds good EZ Boy :)

Can you kindly PM me more about these flowed TBs? My PM doesn't work.

PM me, and I will email you back to get things happening :)

Better throttle response...yeah!

Jeff

I can, but it's not available for a 2nd Gen Magna thou ;)

Hey EZ any change in the stock TE TB yet? as in ya got any yet? lol

Hey EZ any change in the stock TE TB yet? as in ya got any yet? lol

I've got the 67mm OS BF for it but am having *fun* fitting it. Everytime I sat down to get more done a customer would come in and drag me away for ages :doubt:

Patience Grasshopper. lol

Actually there's a TF getting wrecked near me I'll pay a visit to......

Lathing the TB's tomorrow arvo. Will get these 67mm butterflies in if it's the last thing I do....

was at a wrekers at tuggerah the other day there is a tf manual there, good prices worth a look if ya want mroe units ,mate

Lathing the TB's tomorrow arvo. Will get these 67mm butterflies in if it's the last thing I do....

67mm TB's!!!! :P , mmmm might have to save up a little more money now lol

I've got the 67mm OS BF for it but am having *fun* fitting it. Everytime I sat down to get more done a customer would come in and drag me away for ages :doubt:

Patience Grasshopper. lol

Actually there's a TF getting wrecked near me I'll pay a visit to......

Cheers, Keep us posted...!!! patience... what is this??? lol

Didn't get to the lathing, got bogged down making the pod box mold. Final touches being done to that should see one FINALLY vac'd next week.

My Dad may get time to lathe the TB for me when he's between projects in the shed - since the lathe is at his place and all.


TCL CARS: As soon as I can get one of these TB's done I can swap it for a TCL TB and start getting these churned out.

"Hip-hip?" (crowd)"Hurray!"

Hey EZ any change in the stock TE TB yet? as in ya got any yet? lol

Bought another one today - just for YOU! ;) Needs a TPS thou. Will order one. Bit of tidy up to do on the TB but the price was right. PM sent.

Hey,

Just a quick Q. How are you going with the 67mm jobs? When you have it worked out will they become the "standard" TB?

Also, when do we send you the money for the TB? (not that I'm not patient.... :) )

/off topic/ How is the twin exhaust? Will this make a substantial difference with the headers?

Hey,

Just a quick Q. How are you going with the 67mm jobs? When you have it worked out will they become the "standard" TB?

Also, when do we send you the money for the TB? (not that I'm not patient.... :) )

/off topic/ How is the twin exhaust? Will this make a substantial difference with the headers?
Sorry the 67/68mm will not become the norm. These have proven to be an enormous PITA!!!

I still haven't found time to correctly seat the first one yet :(

Things are moving slowly in mod world atm as I try to move house, start a new business, look after my bub, honour my wife, sleep, eat and bath regularly. I need to do like Michael Keaton in MULTIPLICITY lol

Well in that case.... .more than willing to wait. Life first... mods later :confused:

Sorry the 67/68mm will not become the norm. These have proven to be an enormous PITA!!!

I still haven't found time to correctly seat the first one yet :(

Things are moving slowly in mod world atm as I try to move house, start a new business, look after my bub, honour my wife, sleep, eat and bath regularly. I need to do like Michael Keaton in MULTIPLICITY lol


Just skip the sleep and bath bits and you'll do just fine

68MM OVERSIZED TB SEATED AND READY TO EVALUATE!!

As I've just yelled: the 68mm TB that I've been mucking around with is finished pending evaluation in my car later this week.

This is a ONE ONLY TB from me.

So how much better is it supposed to be?

Stock TB at the butterfly has a surface area of 29.95cm2 at wot factoring the displacement of the butterfly.

The 68mm TB at the butterfly at wot has an effective surface area of 32.93cm2. While this is only an increase of 2.98cm2 this is actually a 9.949917% increase in airflow. Neat huh.

The completed TB is from a TH+ Non cruise, non traction control equipped car. While it will happily fit any 3rd gen V6; cruise control and traction control will not function.

Let the bidding begin. Will take one of my other flowed TB's from past clients as a trade-in on this unit.

68MM OVERSIZED TB SEATED AND READY TO EVALUATE!!
The completed TB is from a TH+ Non cruise, non traction control equipped car. While it will happily fit any 3rd gen V6; cruise control and traction control will not function.


You goddamn better believe I would have sent the one I've got sitting in my garage now straight back to you if it had cruise control.

Since you're never gonna do one again...... what exactly is involved??

mine has no cruise or traction control....... but mine is the stock TB.
but im v interested tho!!!!

i'll start $100.00

hey bud is this a one and only .... or do u think in a few months ull have a go with 68mm tb's again?

do u reckon u could go bigger ? ... i know of 3 other parties who r looking into 69mm or bigger ....... and even TB donours from other cars

I got one fitted today. All I can say is WOW :shock:

I got one fitted today. All I can say is WOW :shock:

68mm or 65mm high flowed???? I'm fitting my EZYboy flowed 65mm unit in tonight...... look forward to testing it out.

68mm or 65mm high flowed???? I'm fitting my EZYboy flowed 65mm unit in tonight...... look forward to testing it out.We popped the 65mm high flow unit in today. Daz was so excited he drove from Thornton 'home' to Newcastle via Morpeth and East Maitland to fully appreciate the new addition. ;)


I have no plans to make more 68mm TB's although I am preparing a 67mm which may end up 68mm but that is DEFINATELY the last one and I will probably keep this one for my 3L TF. Apart from getting the butterflies laser cut, it takes time on a lathe and the then ages by hand to get a perfect seating of the butterfly. Anyone who's seen my work with the 65mm TBs knows that I don't accept 2nd best. The problem is the TB is offset cast so a straight thru cut on the lathe isn't possible - unlike the V6 Commodore TBs which I bore from 60 to 70mm!! Bolt on 25hp atw! No they wont adapt easily - sorry.

This 68mm has a thinner stainless butterfly of reduced weight and increased response. Hope to install it in my Magna late this week early next for testing. :badgrin:

The stock TB is really at it's limits at 68-70mm MAX bore. The walls are getting pretty thin above 68mm. Esp with the extra weight of a stainless cai hanging off it etc could possible crack the TB.

After flowing I'd recommending installing twin TB's.

The stock TB is really at it's limits at 68-70mm MAX bore.
i know someone who just did 71.3 mm TB from the stock one

i know someone who just did 71.3 mm TB from the stock one
Nice work. How long did it take them? Has it been tried? What rpm does it idle at. I bet response is intense :D

wasnt me that did it ... so i cant say ... but im just saying thats 71 is possible ... and going by what u said that 67mm is a 9 percent increase in air flow then 70 would be awsome

its probably been said in here but i couldnt be bothered reading through all 19 pages of it,

how big is the standerd TB ?

its 65mm

according to my maths thats a 17% increase over standerd area.

the amount of work to do the magna tbs is unbelievable. dont blame you ezboy for not wanting to do any more bored out tbs. Im currently working on boring out my tb to its limits. so 69-71mm is expected. its a ***** of a job though. should be ready by end of the week i hope.