G'day can anyone give me some advice on turboing my tp magna?? im about to rebuild engine and would like to know if i should do any mods at this stage??
cheers
mangaman :cool: :D :badpc:

decompprerss the bitvh to 7:1 and force 20psi into it.............or judt drop in a VR4 motor

Depending on what kind of turbo setup you want to run, you may / may not have to put forged pistons and rods into it. My car runs 10psi and i have stock internals. However, if you were to spend a bit of money and get forged pistons, forged rods, have the block crack reconditioned and balance the crank, this would be an ideal start for a good turbo setup. After this you could go and get head reconditioned, dont bother with a turbo cam, people say that they actually decrease performance :doubt:. An exhaust is nessacery, 2.5 - 3 inch is fine. Also, you will need a piggyback computer, i dont think the stock one is designed to run with boost, so an Emanage or something is fine. One last thing, this isnt a major priority, but you should look into a performance oil pump (around $170 from Repco) and a performance timing chain kit, as the Magna timing chain's arent really good for boost.

Hope this gives you a bit of a guide.

AF

Hi and thanks for the info Aussiefella, speaking of timing kits :rant: what is the difference with the sports one?
the oil pump does that go where orig is now
thanks
mangaman69 :cool:

The differance with a performance kit and a normal kit is a performance one is a lot stronger and can take a lot of boost whereas the standard one cant, i think it would be well worth putting one on, but again it depends on how much boost you are intending to run.

As for the oil pump, im not quite sure where this would go, i assume in the same place but im not sure, i dont have one.

As for the oil pump, im not quite sure where this would go, i assume in the same place but im not sure, i dont have one.

obviously the performance oil pump will just slot straight into where the original is now. u have to take the timing chain cover off and the oil pump is driving by one of the chains in the timing chain assembly. it's attached to the smaller bottom one.

for starters... wat are u wanting to achieve with the turbo setup? 200hp? 250hp? at the wheels? how much boost are u wanting to run... u obviously want to build the car so it can handle slightly more boost than wat u wanna run so it all depends on wat u want from the car with the turbo setup. then i think we can all comment on wat u should do

then i think we can all comment on wat u should do

I was just giving him a brief idea of what he could do ;)

How far do i want to go..??????!!!!! all the way!!!! seriously about 150-160 kw at the wheels just so i can have a bit of fun.. i also drive 2 skyline gtr's so there for the serious stuff but would like more power on the everyday run around
so where to from here??
cheers
Magnaman69

is there a budget? sorry, shouldve asked that

oh oh and is it a manual already?

lol how much power do ur GTR's pull? ur daily might b competition

can they run 14's? cause the magna will b running low 15's with this setup easy:

Engine Build Up:
Hyperuetectic pistons
Shot-peened conrods
Heavy-duty double valve springs - stock units wont hold high boost
Low compression - aim for around 8-8.5. keep some of that torque
High performance oil pump and timing chain kit
Oil Cooler - don't pass this up, u want reliability aswell as power
Heavy Duty Clutch (or go a custom if u have the money)
Upgrade coil
550cc injectors
Intercooler - supra/skyline IC... a stock unit will b fine i imagine.
Mild Cam - this is all u really need. u won't need the specific turbo cam. this will do fine.
Sigma adjustable tappets - the hydraulic units in ur magna will bleed out at high revs/boost

Other Upgrades
Wolf 3D or another EMS that is FULLY programmable
2.5" exhaust with a straight through mid muffler and straight through muffler... new flex piece and undercar cat. (u can keep ur own if u like, but it will b slightly restrictive as its only 2" in ur 2.5" exhaust piping)
T3/T4 turbo - custom manifold
BOV - go a plumback, will shock some ppl as u fly past them, silent lol
ur usual guages. boost, oil pressure etc... just incase
turbo timer - isnt essential if u can idle the car down a few minutes after a fanging. up to u

that should b enough to run a good 15psi through it.

ive probably missed a few things but ya get that. there is abit to do to. that should pretty easily make ur 160kw or 200hp barrier. and it is ALL THE WAY as u want :)

EDIT: dont worry about boring it out any further. u will make the power with the 2.6L engine as is. boring it out any further u will get reliability problems and more heat problems as the 2.6L engine is just the 2L sigma engine (astron I) bored out.

brendan

Might be worht having the whole lot balanced when you have finished with it, Brendan's list there is pretty good, 550cc injectors are a bit small tho..go 600 or 650's. The Wolf 3D computer is ideal for this setup, its fully programmable and al l that, but go for a Version 4, it is programmable at a finer degree, and can control a whole heap more ****.

:D

. and it is ALL THE WAY as u want :)

EDIT: dont worry about boring it out any further. u will make the power with the 2.6L engine as is. boring it out any further u will get reliability problems and more heat problems as the 2.6L engine is just the 2L sigma engine (astron I) bored out.


Yes. My boreout is to only increase reliability, as the original block is in the best condition, out of the parts I have, bar the cylinder bores.

gtr's run 14s??? ive seen some with minimal mods (intake/zorst) run 12s!!! normal gtsts another matter

i also drive 2 skyline gtr's so there for the serious stuff but would like more power on the everyday run around
so where to from here??
cheers
Magnaman69

If you drive TWO GTR's i really wonder why u are even bothering with a magna.... What type of gtr's are we talking here, if u say R33 & R34 i smell **** talking..

p.s GTRs run high 12s to low 13s stock

What do you want to know?? GTR's ... 1st '89 R32 ex japan race car ...260kw at the wheels drainpipe exhaust pod air cleaners steel wheel turbos ..2nd '99 R34 v-spec drainpipe exhaust pod air cleaners stock
R32 ...10.89 1/4 mile R34 12.46 1/4 mile and it in wheels jan 03 edition ...18 supercar at avalon air field ...so i got a drive of most cars there except massratti as the clutch was shot.. the R32 is a track car and the R34 is for cruises... :cool: and i am a member of skylines australia..WRX..and a couple of others :noway: :P its just that a few mates and a few beers later suggested we have some fun as we have to rebuild the motor anyway...why not???
I have a auto :shock: ....hey its the daily work hack...
PS: how much am i looking at $ wise?
cheers
Magnaman69 :cool:

lol how much power do ur GTR's pull? ur daily might b competition


garys runs a 12.2 with boost and a fmic.

hell yeah, those skylines have some balls :cool:

anyway... do u want to change to manual at all? cause that would almost give u the greatest increase. the autos wont hold out with some power going through them either so ur best option is to swap it to manual then do the turbo conversion.

I think Sagna's turbo Magna is an auto??? And he is running a decent size turbo.

I think Sagna's turbo Magna is an auto??? And he is running a decent size turbo.

yeah but how much boost, and how long has it been running/how often does he thrash it. you know how bad the auto trans are in these cars, they will not last with decent power going through them

yeah, i know... :rant:

auto's are stronger by design. just magna autos are buggy. and manuals are more fun


550cc injectors would be more than enough AF :doubt:

yeah but how much boost, and how long has it been running/how often does he thrash it. you know how bad the auto trans are in these cars, they will not last with decent power going through them

i have had the T3 on the car since september last year the wastegate is factory set for ten pound boost
i flog the car at least twice a week or when ever someone at a set of lights think they have a fast car
the only trouble i have with the auto is the turbo spools at 2000 rpm so to go from about 800rpm to 2000rpm takes about 2 second but when you get to 2000rpm it becomes a beast
also with the auto the gear change is not optimised for the turbo when it changes from say first to second - second to third because you have your foot still on the go fast pedal the turbo can sometimes boost to 13psi before the wastegate opens
in the wet its very good
after driving a turbo auto magna i don't recommend turboing a auto unless you can get the TCU modified for better gear change or drive it like a manual
as for how stronge the auto box is to me i think its very strong i gave the box a oil change when i put the turbo on and i just ran out side to check the oil and its still red so its not burning the bands

i have had the T3 on the car since september last year the wastegate is factory set for ten pound boost
i flog the car at least twice a week or when ever someone at a set of lights think they have a fast car
the only trouble i have with the auto is the turbo spools at 2000 rpm so to go from about 800rpm to 2000rpm takes about 2 second but when you get to 2000rpm it becomes a beast
also with the auto the gear change is not optimised for the turbo when it changes from say first to second - second to third because you have your foot still on the go fast pedal the turbo can sometimes boost to 13psi before the wastegate opens
in the wet its very good
after driving a turbo auto magna i don't recommend turboing a auto unless you can get the TCU modified for better gear change or drive it like a manual
as for how stronge the auto box is to me i think its very strong i gave the box a oil change when i put the turbo on and i just ran out side to check the oil and its still red so its not burning the bands
NICE. the autos can take a fair bit. The original sleeper in the fastmagna cars was auto for a while, but eventually he hit a point where no matter how modified the auto could have been, a manual was the go. but yeah i agree the autos can take alot, specially for there poor quality.

Sagna, do you stall it up at all? you should almost be able to get boost at standstill because you can put a fair amount of load on the motor still.

NICE. the autos can take a fair bit. The original sleeper in the fastmagna cars was auto for a while, but eventually he hit a point where no matter how modified the auto could have been, a manual was the go. but yeah i agree the autos can take alot, specially for there poor quality.

it says he changed to manual because THE AUTO BIT THE DUST :nuts:

and he didnt even have the turbo on at that stage

Sagna, do you stall it up at all? you should almost be able to get boost at standstill because you can put a fair amount of load on the motor still.

yeh sometimes i do that but i hate the way it sounds like its slaving the motor plus i think thats the reason i have had to change the front & back engine mounts twice

it says he changed to manual because THE AUTO BIT THE DUST :nuts:

and he didnt even have the turbo on at that stage
did you even read my post, lol, i did say yes he changed to manual because it got to a point where the auto couldnt go any further.
As for the turbog if your planning on running the car at low boost like sagna, his is taking the power, original sleeper had just the oppourtunity to go manual, but still had abit of power n/a.
btw, be interesting to see just how far the auto could go. had he repaired/ replaced his, we'd know.

it says he changed to manual because THE AUTO BIT THE DUST :nuts:

and he didnt even have the turbo on at that stage

Dont forget the original sleeper is a TM, which had the KM175 in it. The KM175 is a POS and was well known for crapping itself.

The KM177 is the better auto - only seen one die and that was from some wanker at the transmission joint putting Dextron III in it.

Umm...arent you supposed to put Dextron III in it??? I just remembered i put that in my old auto before i sold it :bowrofl:

Dont forget the original sleeper is a TM, which had the KM175 in it. The KM175 is a POS and was well known for crapping itself.

The KM177 is the better auto - only seen one die and that was from some wanker at the transmission joint putting Dextron III in it.

dam, im pretty sure thats what i have (unless it was replaced before auction) :(

Dont forget the original sleeper is a TM, which had the KM175 in it. The KM175 is a POS and was well known for crapping itself.

The KM177 is the better auto - only seen one die and that was from some wanker at the transmission joint putting Dextron III in it.
I've had a KM177-6 **** itself, but that was due to being towed 20km after failing.

I've had a KM177-6 **** itself, but that was due to being towed 20km after failing.

Gav, i cant think of a single part on your car that hasnt **** itself...

I've had a KM177-6 **** itself, but that was due to being towed 20km after failing.
lol, yeah sorry but i agree, you just.... don't count, lol
i'm willing to bet a brand new car would kill itself over you :D

lol, yeah sorry but i agree, you just.... don't count, lol
i'm willing to bet a brand new car would kill itself over you :D

:owned:

Ok guys and girls just how many$$$$ do i have to throw at the motor??
we seem to have covered a variety of things except the cost has still eluded us...
in regards to auto trans oil i use genuine mitsu as they say its the same as sp4 !!??!! :confused: So i havent had many probs except that its rough in reverse.. maybe i should slow douw a bit then??? :bowrofl:
Cheers
Magnaman69

Umm...arent you supposed to put Dextron III in it??? I just remembered i put that in my old auto before i sold it :bowrofl:

Umm no, most electronic autos need special fluid. For a Magna it's Type MII Special or it's other brand equivelants.

I've had a KM177-6 **** itself, but that was due to being towed 20km after failing.

I never said they were perfect, just better and stronger than the crappy old KM175.

Umm no, most electronic autos need special fluid. For a Magna it's Type MII Special or it's other brand equivelants.

i think he was taking the piss :cool:

i was just dreaming about my manga being turbo powered, and then i thought, where the **** does it fit in a magna engine bay?

im guessing it goes between the radiator and engine, but i was thinking, wouldnt that suck unless u had some sort of low mount or maybe a high mount with bonnet grill? :confused:

and wouldnt the piping be all ****ing tightly packed in?

i was just dreaming about my manga being turbo powered, and then i thought, where the **** does it fit in a magna engine bay?

im guessing it goes between the radiator and engine, but i was thinking, wouldnt that suck unless u had some sort of low mount or maybe a high mount with bonnet grill? :confused:

and wouldnt the piping be all ****ing tightly packed in?

yes the turbo sits in the area between the head/block and ur radiator. but imagine, ur current headers with heat shield and all that cold air crap will b gone and custom headers to suit the turbo will b made.

the air that gets blown in by the turbo will go through the intercooler piping, through the FMIC (front mount intercooler) and THEN into the engine. so even if the heat from the radiator/block etc radiates out to the turbo and makes that warmer, the air going into ur engine will still b cooled slightly

the piping wouldnt really be that packed in cause it will b all custom made so u could have it to wateva shape/size u want. there is PLENTY of room once that heat shield is gone from ontop of ur stock headers.

the piping wouldnt really be that packed in cause it will b all custom made so u could have it to wateva shape/size u want. there is PLENTY of room once that heat shield is gone from ontop of ur stock headers.

WRONG! Theres not very much room down there at all, thats where my turbo sits and there is **** all room since i have an intercooler crammed in there aswell....

cos, no offence to Sagna, but being the neat freak i am, i wouldnt want something like this;
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7471

Thats a neat turbo set up, its the ones down the front that look like ****... :doubt:

Thats a neat turbo set up, its the ones down the front that look like ****... :doubt:

isnt that "down the front"? :confused:

Nope, that picture is a high mount turbo, very nicely done!

Down the front is in between the cylinder head and the radiator...