Thats what i wanna know aswell - everytime it has been bought up in this forum before everyone just goes.. sell it and buy a manual.. but i love my car.. seriously there cant be much different right?

can someone tell me why it cant be done?

GuRu

I know everyone is gonna say, just sell and buy a manual. But I love the colour and have custom stereo installed etc.. so anyone know anyone who has done it? Costs? whats involved etc..?

I have only done a auto - manual conversion on a RWD car - and i know the boxes are shapped differently - however - if you are willing to have your car off the road for some time - say about a week - then you can look into it.

First thing to do would be to get everything you would need for the conversion - the best place to look would be wreckers yards - you will need to source all the parts - porbably find a list in the gregory's or maines maines workshop manual

bits like:
gearbox - includes - clutch, thrust bearings and bits and pieces
pedal box
clutch cable
etc

i dont know about the ECU - the Ford we changed we didnt need to worry about changing it - we just unplugged it and left it there and that worked.

ummmm, apart from that - just follow the instruction - they are very well written and easy to follow - me and two mates changed the box - with none of us knowig the details.

one to look out for though is the price - it isnt cheap - try and find a 5spd box will cost the better part of 1-1.5K!!

Manual

You will also need a new centre console that goes around your gearstick as it is shapped differently to that of auto's.

You can allways look at that later, first get the gearbox into the car.

Actually - blake that isn't correct - the centre console piece is the same - the hole is the same - you will just need to source a boot for the gear stick.

the solid plastic with the PRND123 or whatever (dunno dont own one) unsrews and where the boot screws in. simple change over - after you convert the box!!

Manual

Really? I was told by several places that you needed to change it over...

I will look at yours manual next time we meet up.

I am about 90% sure - but then again - i havent studied the auto and i hav been known to be wrong :oops: sometimes!! :lol:

Manual

things you will need to change
* gearbox
* pedal set
* clutch cylenders
* add shifter cable
* add shifter .. might need to drill holes to fit
* change the loom
* change the ECU

if you could source all those parts good condition second hand and do all the work yourself i reakon you could do it for around $3000

Way to much mucking around in my opinion, i would look for a new magna.

Like myself and Macca who have the 2.4 4G64. It is impossible to find a manual transmission to suit. Can a 3.0 or 3.5 manual gearbox be modified to suit, or perhaps a nother gearbox from another make / model?

Cost cost cost... I remember someone mentioning it was $6k for just parts... No labour... But for some of you guys that shouldn't be a problem...

Its a problem for me, a BBBIIIIGGG problem, oh well...

Jeese i wich i could call 6K not a problem!!

Manual

i think he meant the work involved not the money :lol:

Oh ok,

it would be an issue - but an issue i would be happy to work through

not that i need to of course!!

manual

It would still be a tricky job, for me anyway.

Id rather leave something like that for the experts...

Would you have to change the driveshafts or would they still be the same?

Being now an ex mechanic working on modified cars I have done more auto to manual conversions as well as man to auto as well than I care to remember.
Front wheel drive cars are no different in so far as you unbolt one and bolt it the other, the only thing that adds to the drama is the ECU.
As I have never had the opportunity to directly compare an auto and man Magna, I am not sure if the harness is actually different or if like a lot of makes of car the plugs are simply there but not used. Most manufacturers make the one harness for all as it is a hell of a lot cheaper.
There is a few ways you could do this, one way you could possibly make a few $$....
First you could buy a Manuel Magna, do the conversion and put all your gear back into the donor car and sell it off as an auto.
Second you could buy a wreck, get what you want and sell off the left overs, you are bound to get most of your $$ back.
Third, the obvious get the bits from the wreckers.
If the wiring did not have to be changed and you were only doing ECU, selector cable, flywheel, clutch, box, pedals etc there is no reason why it cold not be done in under a day. If you were to change the harness as well then add another half a day or so as Magna wiring harness is a very well designed system and would be very simple to swap.
I too like my car and am looking at doing this conversion as Verada's do not come in Manual models. The only thing I have left to research is if my cruise control will still work with a manual set up.
This is just my opinion and many may not agree but you don't know until it has been done.

the wiring harness is different in the auto to the manual , not to mention you have to find all these parts.

and then to change the gearbox you have to lower the motor out of the car and then where talking about suspension , drivetrain and a big heavy motor to lift. not to be mention this is might just be done in one day by a pro who has done it before and is working fast but i dont think anyone here is capable of it although i could be wrong

To remove and re fit a motor in a Magna I can do it in a little over 4 hours. To remove the trans when the motor/ trans is out, remove the flex plate, install a flywheel, fit align the clutch and fit the new box, prob an hour at the outside. I believe the shafts are the same as they have the same part number so this wil not be an issue. While the motor is out, change the selector and selector cable, install teh master cylinder and change pedals. in magna's this is fairly easy as there is a reasonable amount of room. So this part would not be a ball breaker. The only hassle will be the harness, dash out takes about 45 mins, about an 2 hours in and out as if you are like me I take the oppertunity to clean the places you usually can not get to. While the motor is out the harness would not be an issue either.
One thing about the harness, going from auto to manual, I do not know if you wouldhave to change the harness, the connectors may be able to be just left unused, just change the ECU.
Well when I do mine I will definatly post here and let others know what I went thru and how long it took. With out the harness I could easily do the rest in less than a day, add the harness, well a bit of a long night might also be involved.
As for the parts, I am going to either buy a wreck or a 3.0 man and then throw the bits from mine into the doner car and sell it again or give it to the missus.

that's all fine but your forgetting the smaller things that take alot of time if you could do it within 8 hours and do a good job .... then good for you but who else here can do that ? and can you honestly tell me you will work for 8 hours for free ? to keep the cost down so its cheaper to change the transmission then actually buy a manual car to start with ? :lol:

i was lead to beleive that the 3L boxes dont adapt to the 3.5L boxes very well due to the fact that the 3.5 engine has too much torque for the box which will cause it too blow. in other words the 3.5 box is different to the 3l.......thats what i read somewhere on autospeed.

Widdow ..... in my first post I stated I am a mechanic by trade as well as the fact Verada's do not come with a manual option. Yes I do do a good job, In 9 years of business I never had one warranty claim.
If you want to sell the car you have done so much work on well so be it, if you, like me want a car that is not available in manual, you go and also buy a car with compatable parts, do the conversion and sell off the other car. And by the way, I do not work on my and other people's cars to save or make money, nowdays I doit because I enjoy it as I no longer do it as a full time job. And yes, if you do not mind playing with cars there is not reason the Magna you buy can't be a bit of a pig when you get it and you clean it up a little and make a few bucks on it when you sell it. And as for your next arguement, why buy a car that does not have a manual option? I like the other features and style of the Verada over the Magna, not that I am saying there is anything wrong with Magna's by the way. This is the reason I spent the time to pull my dash out the other day to install a pissy little cup holder.

Come on fella's ease up, remember were here to help each other not flame each other.

You both have a valid point but in the end of the day, i would rather have a verada with all the nice features and in the mean time save up for a manual conversion. If you pull it off you'd probobly have the first manual verada.

If your like me, i couldn't bear to sell the car that i have poored all my sundays into getting up to scratch and spending countless hours doing little things like pulling the whole dash appart to hide a cable from sight. Id rather spend the 3 grand and have it converted.

It gives us something to do and keeps us poor. Its all good in the end.

the 3.5 is indeed different to the 3 it has different ratio's and all

Come on fella's ease up, remember were here to help each other not flame each other.

You both have a valid point but in the end of the day, i would rather have a verada with all the nice features and in the mean time save up for a manual conversion. If you pull it off you'd probobly have the first manual verada.

If your like me, i couldn't bear to sell the car that i have poored all my sundays into getting up to scratch and spending countless hours doing little things like pulling the whole dash appart to hide a cable from sight. Id rather spend the 3 grand and have it converted.

It gives us something to do and keeps us poor. Its all good in the end.

Now now blake where not flaming at all where having a friendly conversation.

the verada is nice but i dont think i could own one the extra weight and physical size is useless for what i like doing ( having fun and doing track days ) but if you where just purely into looks and you got a verada and put on a fat body kit that would be awesome , but there are different types of groups when it comes to cars there's Show and there's Go.

I wouldnt have any problems with gettings rid of my magna and getting a new one , ive though about it many times because even though ive spent over $3000 on it and its still near stock and ive spent countless hours on it , by getting a new one i can start over and do everything again and correct my mistakes ... and spent a whole lot more time with my car , im even just getting some really good lighting in my garage so i can go and work on my car at midnight because that's what i love doing.

:lol:

I know who I am going to see whn it comes time to make my baby a manual :)

Hi Mal :p

as far as show and go cars are concerned - i like my magna as my show car and i am about to build my go car - so either way i am happy!!

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Hi I looked into doing a Auto (4Spd Th tiptronic Sports) to manual conversion when I managed to distroy my auto box last year. Everyone associated to Mitsubishi that I talked to said it really wouldn't be worth it as a heap of stuff would have to be changed, ECU, wiring etc etc etc etc. It ended up costing me just under $9k for a brand new Auto. I should have looked more for a manual conversion. oh well to late now.
I also looked into sticking a new 5 spd tiptronic auto in and again everyone told me it would be too hard and too expensive :(

9K??? gees u could pull of an auto to manual conversion for less than that!!! abvout half of that max!!

oh well - next time!!

Yeah fortunately most of the 9k was paid by the insurance company, which was good on my pocket but not good at leaving me in total control. The insurance company did try to investigate if finding a manual box would be cheaper and were open to the idea, but the info they got was it was all too hard, they wanted to put in a secondhand tiptronic 4spd, but they couldn't find any, so I got a new one atleast :)

I would have thought and believe that all the auto's in the Magna are the same 4 speed weather or not they have the sports shift. Sports shift are a selling point to get you in, that’s why they all have them now ford etc., and the same auto gearbox.

Thats kinda what I thought about the auto trans at the time, I was kinda like ohwell need a new box, atleast it should be only a couple of grand ( a new box for a normal auto is only about 4-5K) Thats not was I was told by mitsubishi though, the story I was told was nope its different, you've got traction control, trace control (cut down version of Yaw control found on EVO's) on the tiptronic model etc, so you're up for big bucks. Whether there actually is a different box for the tiptronic or not I am not sure, just going on what i was told and what was on the bill!

I would never be able to go back to standard auto though, I've driven heaps of 3.5L Auto loan car Magna's and there is a huge difference in drivability in my opinion. Sure you can lock a standard auto down in gears, I've tried, but it feels a lot better with tiptronics, and having traction control is good, although I have it turned off except for when its raining.

There's no difference between boxes, the pcm (powertrain control module)
has different software for the tiptronic box and extra inputs,outputs and communication lines to control traction control,abs etc..

Yes, Hi Mal :lol:

keep us posted when you do this conversion

anyone know of a mitsu wreckers in Adelaide?

I m going to be selling my 4cyl 2.4l manual TE soon but want too much money for most of you guys :)
BUT .... if you bought it and then pulled out the manual bits.... you could then resell as an auto and bobs your uncle.
Haydn

I m going to be selling my 4cyl 2.4l manual TE soon but want too much money for most of you guys :)
BUT .... if you bought it and then pulled out the manual bits.... you could then resell as an auto and bobs your uncle.
Haydn

why? what would be your askin price for ya TE? :shock:

$9.5k

i got 10 dollars in my wallet ;)

anyone know of a mitsu wreckers in Adelaide?

yeah, theres Eddy wreckers on south road near mitsubishi, mitsi spares at wingfield, and just magna spares at parafield.. but city dismantlers at gepps cross also wreck magnas..

Eddy wreckers, never seen em and drive past mitsi evey day :|, unless your talking bout the one at lonsdale

and all the other places are on teh other side of town :(

I just converted my Auto lancer to manual.

My sister has the same car in manual so we thought we'd swap the tranny's over.

Anyways all I can say is DON'T even think about it. A simple job turned out to be the biggest headache!!

First we had to change the heater box, then radiator and then ECU! cause the auto and manual are different.

Thing is you can't just swap ECU, because of the embedded security systems in Mitusbishi's the car knew it wasnt the right ECU!

Also all the door locks and ignition barrel had to be swapped plus the ECU had to be flashed!

We got both of them working but it was towed between 4 different workshops to get the auto going in her lancer! :(

It would have been a lot cheaper to buy a manual tranmission and put it in my car than do the swap.

would of been cheaper just to swap cars :lol:

great minds think alike GBM?

or even a new car???

y did u go for the change syn?

y did u go for the change syn?

if you see how much work I have done to my lancer you'll know why it was easier to change the tranny.

If you had planned so much work, i beleave it wouldve been cheaper to start your platform with manual....

I hate it when people keep bringing that to my attention after i bought my auto.

Originally i didn't plan on doing much to my ride, just rims and lowering that was it.

Now its turned into a full fledged obsession that is only limited by my transmission. Still pondering whether to fully work it or trade in in two years time...

Oh well, decisions decisions...

The thing i am gettin at blake is that sinergy is very knowledgable about cars. He has obviously had a keen interest in them for many yrs, and hopefully many more...specially now he has the VRX.
For someone with such a passion for cars, and obviously keen on modifying. I think he woulda thought a lil more about the purchase in the first place... Or was he planning on doing this conversion? It is different, and would take alot of guts not just to trade to a manual!

DSLO3L you are right, oh and i wasn't having a go at you buddy ;)

But yeh if i had been a bit more patient i would have got a 3.0L manual however for 9500 with 88K and paintwork without a single scratch i thought it was a good buy.

I allways thought it would be cheaper to convert than to have a full respray and fix bodywork problems... I stand corrected...

The Lancer was a daily driver, I did about 120k's a day through city traffic! Thats why I got an auto.

I never thought I would do it up to this stage (esp turbo) but ah wells once I got started I couldn't stop.