View Full Version : turbo and supercharger
mattmag
13-04-2005, 04:08 PM
hi everyone
recently i have decided to just spend more money on my 99 TH executive for the hell of it.
i want more power, well acceleration more than anything so im gonna go for a sports exguast and hi flow airfilter but yeh was thinking a turbo or super charger. Not sure tho but i really dont mind spending the money, just wondering whats ur opinion on this thats all and if u all know whats like a ruff price and crap and time frame to put either one on. any help would be great thnx.
VERADA
13-04-2005, 04:24 PM
im not to sure but i think it about 10 to 12 grand for turbo and about 7-8 grand for supercharging
mattmag
14-04-2005, 02:46 PM
owww ok thnx geez didnt think it was that much lol. well maybe i wont be able to any more
owww ok thnx geez didnt think it was that much lol. well maybe i wont be able to any more
rofl.. your first post made it sound like you thought it was gonna be like 2grand or something.
If you want a SC its around 7,500 + and if you want a single turbo setup youre looking at 8k+
RJL25
14-04-2005, 02:56 PM
and thats for a fairly basic turbo setup too.. and stock internals. Cant run too much boost with stock internals..
97_verada
14-04-2005, 03:07 PM
hi everyone
recently i have decided to just spend more money on my 99 TH executive for the hell of it.
i want more power, well acceleration more than anything so im gonna go for a sports exguast and hi flow airfilter but yeh was thinking a turbo or super charger. Not sure tho but i really dont mind spending the money, just wondering whats ur opinion on this thats all and if u all know whats like a ruff price and crap and time frame to put either one on. any help would be great thnx.
if you dont mind spending money you should of bought a xr6 turbo,
Wooduck
14-04-2005, 04:02 PM
now I'm really starting to see a chance to get together some magna turbo kits
:think::think::think::think:
RJL25
14-04-2005, 04:49 PM
now I'm really starting to see a chance to get together some magna turbo kits
:think::think::think::think:
i agree that someone needs to develop one.. problem is i dunno if their would be enough buyers to cover the development costs....
but it would be awesome, i'd buy one
does anyone know how much boost you can run on a standard 3.5 V6 with stock internals before you start to shorten its life?? i am thinking around 10psi??
Wooduck
14-04-2005, 05:56 PM
i agree that someone needs to develop one.. problem is i dunno if their would be enough buyers to cover the development costs....
but it would be awesome, i'd buy one
does anyone know how much boost you can run on a standard 3.5 V6 with stock internals before you start to shorten its life?? i am thinking around 10psi??
On stock internals around the 7-10psi mark
I'm running 7psi on mine when it gets finished. If you get a decompression head gasket you can easily run 10psi maybe even a little more but I wouldn't reccomend above 10 on stock internals.
In regards to turbo kits I am seriously thinking about doin some up but they would be made to order as I wouldn't have the funds to have any on hand.
Keeping in mind that it also doesn't have to a full kit. I might to begin with just do the intercooler setup & even exhaust. Dunno yet.
tooSlow
16-04-2005, 10:57 AM
I think the best bet for a turbo kit is:
Manifolds, dump pipe, and intercooler piping.
Everything else can be sourced cheap enuf from various suppliers.
Turbo, oil and water line kits, intercooler, injectors, ecu are all readily available off the shelf.
Wooduck
16-04-2005, 12:50 PM
I think the best bet for a turbo kit is:
Manifolds, dump pipe, and intercooler piping.
Everything else can be sourced cheap enuf from various suppliers.
Turbo, oil and water line kits, intercooler, injectors, ecu are all readily available off the shelf.
that's right.
It's just mainly all the piping that really needs to be specific
jay04
17-04-2005, 08:12 AM
Well shoot I'd be interested in a kit that only has the manifolds, down pipe, intercooler piping. Just stuff you don't have to fabricate. I think you should create a "interest thread".
I think the third gen can handle a healthy dose of boost with upgraded pistons. I may have found a company that makes one for the third gens in the US. I met this guy only who did swapped 3.5L into a different cars {dodge avenger} and a sebring. I saw the pics although he did say they are not his car he did this for someone else. He also said he put a T66 turbo with a lower compression steel forged pistons running on 18 pounds of boost on stock internals except for the pistons. A company called Woss had to custom make his pistons. I haven't seen pics of the turbo setup though but he is telling the truth there only one way to find out. Call Woss and see if they have a program saved. If its true than whoo hoo for me. So the whole point of the story was to say I may have found a local dealer. Local to me anyway.
Magnaficent
19-04-2005, 08:18 AM
iz there anyone who isnt going turbo and doin the charger on this forum.???
guessing there not gonna let anyone know about it
i looked into doin it but in the end for the same price the turbo might even be a little cheaper and get more power and efficitiancy
turbo_charade
19-04-2005, 08:33 AM
but what about having the bloody V configuration. SC is easier on that. SC is definatly not less powerful if setup properly. But a good SC setup will be the same cost roughly as a good turbo setup. Twin turbo just scares me thats all. having to buy 1 manifold and turbo is bad enough, double that and the piping and its enough to scare me. Ide still give it a lash tho for a chalange
jay04
19-04-2005, 09:21 AM
but what about having the bloody V configuration. SC is easier on that. SC is definatly not less powerful if setup properly. But a good SC setup will be the same cost roughly as a good turbo setup. Twin turbo just scares me thats all. having to buy 1 manifold and turbo is bad enough, double that and the piping and its enough to scare me. Ide still give it a lash tho for a chalange
I don't think it be any harder to do a twin turbo setup compared to a turbo setup. On one it'd be harder to intake piping and easier to do the exhaust piping and on the other it'd be the opposite.
Wooduck
19-04-2005, 10:10 AM
I looked into getting a twin but I just didn't have the money for two turbos.
Manifolds are alot easier to do with a twin but like you said the intake piping is harder.
Both a single & twin setup has it's advantages, but both seem to be just as difficult to setup.
Also there isn't a huge amount of room for a twin so you may be limited to what turbos you can run. (don't quote me on this)
But then again two gt28 would still give you a heap of power.
If people are interested I will look into getting a kit together which includes the piping. That way you can just pick what turbo you like, BOV, ECU etc etc.
But only if there is enough interest.
turbo_charade
19-04-2005, 10:44 AM
sh|t, even run two T25's from a ET pulsar and you'r going to make great power.
jay04
19-04-2005, 12:35 PM
Just the manifolds, downpipe, and intercooler piping would be good. For a Twin Turbo setup I can get them for cheap from a stock Eclipse here in the US. They run T25s as well. Or use a stock Supra turbo if its a single setup. t3/t4 turbos are priced good too or a run a T66 . :badgrin:
I already have a greddy on order. Oh yeah you'd plenty of guages too. I just wanna upgrade the pistons before I do a turbo so I can run higher boost but I have been known to change my mind a lot so....... :D. t3/t4 turbos are priced good too. :badgrin:
jay04
19-04-2005, 12:38 PM
I looked into getting a twin but I just didn't have the money for two turbos.
Manifolds are alot easier to do with a twin but like you said the intake piping is harder.
Both a single & twin setup has it's advantages, but both seem to be just as difficult to setup.
Also there isn't a huge amount of room for a twin so you may be limited to what turbos you can run. (don't quote me on this)
But then again two gt28 would still give you a heap of power.
If people are interested I will look into getting a kit together which includes the piping. That way you can just pick what turbo you like, BOV, ECU etc etc.
But only if there is enough interest.
Like I said start a interest thread.....with approximate pricing and see how many ppl respond.
Magnaficent
19-04-2005, 03:14 PM
i looked into doin it but in the end for the same price the turbo might even be a little cheaper and get more power and efficitiancy
:confused: that chit got me puzzled (not that, thats hard to do)
so turbo be less then sc, i was thinking sc be around 6500 not 8's
so no one's done it then, that be the answer y then.
to have power right then and there, be scary my 3litre is enough in the wet as is.
time u put the foot on the gas you'd have to change gears get there so quick..
how many k's on ur car meh?? no doubt all this money u got worked out gearbox be done over to?
:confused: that chit got me puzzled (not that, thats hard to do)
so turbo be less then sc, i was thinking sc be around 6500 not 8's
so no one's done it then, that be the answer y then.
to have power right then and there, be scary my 3litre is enough in the wet as is.
time u put the foot on the gas you'd have to change gears get there so quick..
how many k's on ur car meh?? no doubt all this money u got worked out gearbox be done over to?
mate ive got 267000km on my car now
new gear box went in about 10000km ago wen it kinda come off second best with the gutter
tommo
19-04-2005, 05:45 PM
What's with all this turboing if a supercharger is slightly cheaper then it would be a heaps better option. No lag instant power, and you have more style too.
Everyone seems to be turboing their cars now and it is really giving me the ****s. :angry:
What type of sc are these prices for anyway cos I heard that the centrifugal superchargers would make the price drop by heaps.
jay04
19-04-2005, 10:25 PM
What's with all this turboing if a supercharger is slightly cheaper then it would be a heaps better option. No lag instant power, and you have more style too.
Everyone seems to be turboing their cars now and it is really giving me the ****s. :angry:
What type of sc are these prices for anyway cos I heard that the centrifugal superchargers would make the price drop by heaps.
Cause there is nothing like a turbo surge. How it knocks you back in your seat when it kicks in. I seen what turbo charged cars can do to supercharged cars. I've got plenty of videos and still havent seen a supercharged car beat a turboed car. Turbo can provide you with more top end power. Super have drivetrain loss turbo doesn't.
turbo_charade
19-04-2005, 11:07 PM
Cause there is nothing like a turbo surge. How it knocks you back in your seat when it kicks in. I seen what turbo charged cars can do to supercharged cars. I've got plenty of videos and still havent seen a supercharged car beat a turboed car. Turbo can provide you with more top end power. Super have drivetrain loss turbo doesn't.
They are equal technology, to say you have seen a turbo car beat a SC car is about as good as saying "i beat a BA XR6t off the lights so i must run a low 14"
superchargers are just done less often because it infact costs more to setup a good SC on to a motor than a turbo charger, and a good setup isn't for street use anyway as fuel econemy is **** house and straight ouf out the traps they have max boost.
Magnaficent
20-04-2005, 09:24 AM
what kind of fuel usuage we talking about....
say 3 litre turbo?
then s/c?
over 15 ltrs per 100
yer supercharge powers right there but it couldnt be to much more.. with turbo all u want to do is every gear get it to throw u back or let off the bov all the time anyway
wonder wat the 1/4 times be like for both in the same cars same mods, have to be close maybe turbo might win, but in saying who races to win in miles
this website iz bad to many ideas :D
ca18escort
22-04-2005, 09:51 AM
Ok,
I have chipped in here for a while but I had to say something about this. Using that following assumtions:
1. The turbo engine and the supercharged engine are identical
2. They are both running the same amount of boost
3. The thermal efficency of the intercooler is such that the inlet temps are the same
Fact: The positive displacement supercharged engine will be quicker because the nature of the boost delivery will provide it with more average torque throughout the rev range.
Paul
jay04
22-04-2005, 10:09 AM
We can argue about which one is better all the long. But this thread is not about that. We are tryng tto get a basic turbo kit going. Thats all .
abzstar
12-12-2006, 03:34 PM
Hey guys ive got a 2002 magna 3.5litre auto. I also want to put in a turbo and seen kits for around 4,000 dolars for mitsubishi v6 engines. Has anyone had problems with it or has one on their vehicle? Please contact me via email
abzstar@optusnet.com.au
Cheers:D
Disciple
12-12-2006, 04:36 PM
Hey guys ive got a 2002 magna 3.5litre auto. I also want to put in a turbo and seen kits for around 4,000 dolars for mitsubishi v6 engines. Has anyone had problems with it or has one on their vehicle? Please contact me via email
abzstar@optusnet.com.au
Cheers:D
No doubt.
FFEEkY
13-12-2006, 06:44 AM
a guy in brisbane 'BlackBeard' recently had a twin turbo setup put on his car. there is a thread about it somewhere in the Magna Mods section
his took a few weeks (like 3 or 4 i think) and im pretty sure it would have cost a heck of a lot more than $4k....
Phonic
13-12-2006, 07:57 AM
a guy in brisbane 'BlackBeard' recently had a twin turbo setup put on his car. there is a thread about it somewhere in the Magna Mods section
his took a few weeks (like 3 or 4 i think) and im pretty sure it would have cost a heck of a lot more than $4k....
Yeah a basic kit (parts only) not including intercooler or piping would cost about 5-6K for a twin turbo setup. Then you have to install it, upgrade the clutch (on manuals) get it tuned and suddenly the total figure is around 11-12K!!!
Black Beard
13-12-2006, 04:34 PM
his took a few weeks (like 3 or 4 i think) and im pretty sure it would have cost a heck of a lot more than $4k....
7 or 8 weeks from memory. I thought that was bad, but seeing what some others are going thru, it doesn't seem so bad.
cthulhu
13-12-2006, 06:55 PM
7 or 8 weeks from memory. I thought that was bad, but seeing what some others are going thru, it doesn't seem so bad.
I know you were probably weren't talking about me here, but I think I'm qualified on that point too lol living in the same city as the workshop building my engine has gone way up in value on my list of criteria for the next car..
Black Beard
14-12-2006, 04:15 AM
I know you were probably weren't talking about me here, but I think I'm qualified on that point too lol living in the same city as the workshop building my engine has gone way up in value on my list of criteria for the next car..
So does that mean you're going to move to a different city? or is your next car going to be a V8? :cool:
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