amp or speakers?
I know some people who have spent heaps on speakers, and got an average cheap amp, adn it sounds good, but from some "professionals" ive been tlaking to, they say spendas mch as you can afford no your amp and get just decent speakers.

what are your thoughts?

BOTH!

U need a good combinamation of both to get good results. But if you have to, get good speakers first. No point running paper cones off 2000 dolllar clif designs amp now is it :P

i just don't get it, a good stereo for me is a half decent set of 6x9's in the rear and a set of 6" speakers in the front running off a $250 headunit................

what am i missing out on?

i just don't get it, a good stereo for me is a half decent set of 6x9's in the rear and a set of 6" speakers in the front running off a $250 headunit................

what am i missing out on?

BAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

BAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!


well for me anyways i get enough bass outta the speakers i mentioned :D

If you have a decent Head unit and a reasonable amp, then I would be spending more money on speakers and sound deadoning.
If your deck is sending a Clear signal to your amp then it should be fine.

Speaker reproduce the sound, if they of poor quality then you will only hear poor quality..

Have you got plenty of sound deadening up front? If not then spend the money there first. :)

Put as much into speakers/sound dd etc as possible. Then if you want more volume upgrade to an amp later on.

Peace

Tim

would you be able to do much from the standard hu from '99 Xi ? liek the system in those are quite good, but have alot of room to move. such as higher volume and deeper bass.
Now, would you be able to get away with attaching a sub to that? or would you be looking at a new hu?

New Headunit...

The Money Companies spend on factory headunits are minimal, even if they are made from a reputable Brand..

If your Speakers , amps and subs are being fed Bad signals from your Headunit then it is all going to be in vain..
Remember a System is only as good as its weakest point..

An Aftermarket Headunit, when choosen correctly will boost the over alll Stock sound system dramatically, sometimes this alone can make people stop at just that..
They see what crummy sound their headunit has been feeding there stock speakers and are immediately impressed..

would you be able to do much from the standard hu from '99 Xi ? liek the system in those are quite good, but have alot of room to move. such as higher volume and deeper bass.
Now, would you be able to get away with attaching a sub to that? or would you be looking at a new hu?
No sub will give you any decent results using ~15 w rms. I dont beleive these have rca outs. You could possibly use an amp that has high level inputs (speaker wires plug straight in) Then run a sub off that, but best bet will be upgrading your headunit and running an amp for a sub.

I dont believe spending too much on a headunit will provide any dramatic results as ur first upgrade. Speakers should be a priority as well. But it is the first link.

Priority imho should be

Speakers(primary) - These are the last item in the chain and responsible for producing the sound you hear.
Install - Continuation of buying speakers you want is installing them. The best speakers can sound muddy and distort, if not mounted correctly on solid (mdf) baffles, and sealed up as good as possible. Sound deadening etc. Tweeter positioning to reduce path difference and separation.
Headunit (primary)- Providing you are using good quality cd's. If the data from these never makes it into your system it will never come out.
Amps, wires, rca's, power etc (secondary)- All these should be in place to provide the power/signal for the sound you want to hear as cleanly as possible. With as little noise entering the system as possible.

Each to their own

peace

Tim

6x9s don't produce much bass at all, they produce mid-bass. Until you have heard a system that can hold a good 100dB+ at around 30Hz, you haven't heard a good, musical system.

alright, cheers guys.
Also, just to clarify on the '99 KH Xi, does it have 10 stacker or 6 stacker like the Ei? For some reason, I thought it was a 10 stack in the boot, but on all the car sales websites the specs say it's only 6.

Edit: oh, if you can't already tell, i'm about to buy a kh xi :P

6x9s don't produce much bass at all, they produce mid-bass. Until you have heard a system that can hold a good 100dB+ at around 30Hz, you haven't heard a good, musical system.

and what sort of setup would produce those kind of figures?

100 db... try 160 db...

My fronts would hit 100 db ;)

Peace

Tim

6x9's are capable of reproducing Sub Bass Frequencies, they have the same Cone area as an 8 incher..
They can often compete with your subs and muddle with Bass reproduction..
They are a Full range speaker, Yes they are Great Midbass Speakers when Hi Pass them so they don't play the lower frequencies..
A 6x9 may not be able to out do a Designated Sub in an enclosure but can reach down low when fed the correct frequencies and if installed correctly..


Spin some R&B an a Pair of properly installed 6x9's and see if they don't produce Rumble..

]6x9's are capable of reproducing Sub Bass Frequencies, they have the same Cone area as an 8 incher..
They can often compete with your subs and muddle with Bass reproduction..
They are a Full range speaker, Yes they are Great Midbass Speakers when Hi Pass them so they don't play the lower frequencies..
A 6x9 may not be able to out do a Designated Sub in an enclosure but can reach down low when fed the correct frequencies and if installed correctly..


Spin some R&B an a Pair of properly installed 6x9's and see if they don't produce Rumble..

a 6x9 is often called the poor mans sub...
Sure a 6x9 isn't going to drop down to 40 hz but I am sure they would produce between 60hz and 80Hz alright..

I'd agree with 6x9's being a poor mans sub. As long as you high pass them at aroun 60 hz they can go loud without too much distortion.
Much better results will be yielded using dedicated drivers that are designed for playing high/mid/sub frequencies compared to one speaker that can play a large range of frequencies.

The cone shape of the 6x9 itself leads to distortion as the force is not evenly spread out across the surface compared to a round cone.

But given that they are handy, no cutting, no amps required. You can run them straight off the headunit and get ok results. I'm sure they'll be around for a long time. And they make an easy upgrade.

But in terms of sq.. :doubt:

peace

Tim

100 db... try 160 db...

My fronts would hit 100 db ;)

Peace

Tim

No way mate, what the hell r u running to get that sound pressure level out of ur fronts??? amp/splits?? I would say only the very best systems would manage 100db at the front :think: :eh:

New Headunit...

The Money Companies spend on factory headunits are minimal, even if they are made from a reputable Brand..

If your Speakers , amps and subs are being fed Bad signals from your Headunit then it is all going to be in vain..
Remember a System is only as good as its weakest point..

An Aftermarket Headunit, when choosen correctly will boost the over alll Stock sound system dramatically, sometimes this alone can make people stop at just that..
They see what crummy sound their headunit has been feeding there stock speakers and are immediately impressed..


Absolutely, totally agree with u there buddy!! if ur not that worried about pumping ya system up that loud and dont care a great deal for sub frequencies then a simple h/u upgrade to any 3rd gen magna will work wonders!!