Hey got a set of coilovers for my TJ Sports from Phillcom Rally!

There absolutly awesome! I can't believe how great the car handles and feels on the road now. Way better than i had expected it to.

Anyone who wants to make there car handle tonnes better and also wants to be able to adjust the height of there car whenever they feel like it contact Anthony @ Phillcome NOW and get yourself a set as they're very very worth it!!

Theres a few pics attached but there very poor. I took them late in the avo and it was getting dark. I'm going to take some good ones which will end up on Phillcom Rally's website.

Also, in the pic with the car slammed, the back looks lower than the front because the guard is actually sitting on the tyre at front. It could come down more if i didnt have those fat 19s on it in the way. Ive had a few suggestions about how i can get the tyre under the guard but im not sure if its going to work. Either way, i dont drive the car that low, picture number two is how i have it set. Its approx 1/4 wound down (so much further to go if i want :badgrin: ) and its around the height of King Lows i reckon...

more pics

looks awsome man!

Good buy!

All you need to do is get rid of those 3.5 badges.. make it look smoooooooooth...

Filth!!! How much??

whats the spring rates on dem springs! they look weak for coil overs.

looks mad tho

whats the spring rates on dem springs! they look weak for coil overs

i dunno but i can tell your there not weak

Filth!!! How much??

Anthony @ PhillCom Rally is your man for that..

anthony@phillcomrally.com

Email or MSN

geez! i was thinking about getting some of these soon! (before autosalon hopefully) looks like i'll have to boost up the saving now! so they came with the springs and everything? these are the hot-bits one's i'm expecting?

HOLY ****! got slammage!!

**** yer!! - i could just see booya riding 30mm from the ground!!!!!

mate, can you adjust the height without taking off the wheels? or do you have to jack it up, and remove wheels? - do you use like a spanner tool to adjust the height? is there markings so you know that each one is level? i wanna know!!!

my god - how high is the highest setting? would you clear the 100mm law if you wound them all the way up?

your tyres scrub on the wheel arches at all?

that looks the goods mate! :cool:

HOLY ****! got slammage!!

**** yer!! - i could just see booya riding 30mm from the ground!!!!!

mate, can you adjust the height without taking off the wheels? or do you have to jack it up, and remove wheels? - do you use like a spanner tool to adjust the height? is there markings so you know that each one is level? i wanna know!!!

my god - how high is the highest setting? would you clear the 100mm law if you wound them all the way up?

mate your front bar would be literally touching the ground with these!
Yeah wheel off to adjust em. Once you get the wheel of it takes 30secs. There is special spanner they give u too wind them up or down. I used a ruler to get them even on both sides (ie measure from the nut to the bottom of the thread).

on the highest setting the car is around stock ride height if not a bit above, so yes, its WELL above the 100mm law

I've been wanting coilovers for aaaagggess.. lol How much? fit urself? :P

same with booya, how does it adjust n stuff? Since I am never going to get rid of my steelies would this mean the tyres would tuck into the front wheelarches? :badgrin:

your tyres scrub on the wheel arches at all?

that looks the goods mate! :cool:

I have cut the wheel arch flares, very easy to do.. I had to do that because of the 19s though, not the coilovers. The second pic is how i drive the car normally, no rubbing at all when its like that

BUT

when its at the bottom setting the front guard is actually sitting on the tyre therefore the car is jammed!! Thats why it doesnt look as low at the front as the guard wont go past the tyres. The back rolls freely but of course it would scrub to the sh1t house on ANY bumps. There are things i can do with the inner wheel arches to make more room and/or mod my 19s a bit.. Ill see what happens

mmm...pic no. 1 http://members.optusnet.com.au/~thw01f/vrx/homer_drool.jpg

C'mon how much.....or Anthony

Soon 4 sale , lowered custom :K-macs

I've been wanting coilovers for aaaagggess.. lol How much? fit urself? :P

same with booya, how does it adjust n stuff? Since I am never going to get rid of my steelies would this mean the tyres would tuck into the front wheelarches? :badgrin:

yeh i fitted them myself, not hard at all!

you adjust them with a supplied tool by winding the bottom red part (that the spring actually sits on) up or down according to what height your after. A ruler makes it easy to get both sides the same

With steelies you'd get the front as low as the back of mine is, for sure!

Looks awesome except for the inevitable scraping :D. I thought Furys in 18 looked nice, but 19s are fantastic!

Coilovers are good for if you often need to change ride height, but otherwise for a daily driver they are not worth it. Due to the smaller diameter coils used, and often thinner strut shafts they are nowhere near as durable as conventional strut setups.

For track use though, full rebound/bump and height adjustment is awesome though (Think your Hot Bits ones are only rebound adjustable).

yeah baby!

C'mon how much.....or Anthony

Soon 4 sale , lowered custom K-macs

Anthony is the man for the price, yup!

For track use though, full rebound/bump and height adjustment is awesome though (Think your Hot Bits ones are only rebound adjustable).

Mate, mine are height adjustable..

Anthony is the man for the price, yup!

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=244448#post244448

Mate, mine are height adjustable..

Well yeah, that's the point of coilovers. Re-read my post.

For track use though, full rebound/bump and height adjustment is awesome though (Think your Hot Bits ones are only rebound adjustable).

You are technically challenging me hear, can u give it to me easy. :D

r u saying that some are adjustable for full rebound height and bump stop height and others r just rebound.(ie how high it will bounce up to)

But both give height adjustment.......am I confusing myself?

In short, there are better ones than what i got as they have more features but cost more :D

but really,who gives a toss. they look sweet! :D it ain't a f*ckin tourer teK lol

sweet,

But if they are gettin close to 2k, baggin might be an option.

That way I don't have to get me lazy butt out of the car and remove the wheel to pimp height.

Nasty hump, press button.........who's your daddy, press button 3 times ;)

sweet,

But if they are gettin close to 2k, baggin might be an option.

That way I don't have to get me lazy butt out of the car and remove the wheel to pimp height.

Nasty hump, press button.........who's your daddy, press button 3 times ;)

yeh but do you want your car to handle any good aswell? i dont think bag's handle :doubt:

Airbags handle the h0es :P

You are technically challenging me hear, can u give it to me easy. :D

r u saying that some are adjustable for full rebound height and bump stop height and others r just rebound.(ie how high it will bounce up to)

But both give height adjustment.......am I confusing myself?

This is what I posted in reply to Gremlin's PM:

For any shock absorber ("damper" is the correct technical term), there are 2 different characteristics that are either designed into the unit, or can be adjusted - bump, and rebound control.

Bump is the rate at which it controls compression of the unit, and rebound is rebound.

Cheap coilovers only allow rebound adjustment (if it allows dampening adjustment at all), whereas professional units allow rebound, and dampening, adjustable independently of each other in many gradients. This lets you tune the system to exactly match the weight and handling characteristic of your car, and the surface/track you will be driving on. (Think any racing simulator game you have played).

All coilovers allow height adjustment, you were only stating the obvious.

yeh but do you want your car to handle any good aswell? i dont think bag's handle :doubt:

yes, thats what I would be worried about.

When u said you were selling your springs a while back I thought you where going to be the test pilot for bags.

R u sure u have to remove the wheel to adjust. Could you just use a floor jack and get it on stands.

You have ended up with a very sweet ride :cool:

Bring it on the next cruise...i wanna see

This is what I posted in reply to Gremlin's PM:

For any shock absorber ("damper" is the correct technical term), there are 2 different characteristics that are either designed into the unit, or can be adjusted - bump, and rebound control.

Bump is the rate at which it controls compression of the unit, and rebound is rebound.

Cheap coilovers only allow rebound adjustment (if it allows dampening adjustment at all), whereas professional units allow rebound, and dampening, adjustable independently of each other in many gradients. This lets you tune the system to exactly match the weight and handling characteristic of your car, and the surface/track you will be driving on. (Think any racing simulator game you have played).

All coilovers allow height adjustment, you were only stating the obvious.



You planning to do the LeMons 24 hour race teK? hahahha. cos i dont think its all nessary for a "sports" sedan... maybe if your decking out a ferrari, but common man, its a street machine, not a Track Dog!

yes, thats what I would be worried about.

When u said you were selling your springs a while back I thought you where going to be the test pilot for bags.

R u sure u have to remove the wheel to adjust. Could you just use a floor jack and get it on stands.

You have ended up with a very sweet ride :cool:

Bring it on the next cruise...i wanna see

Id say you could get away with not removing the wheels if u can get under the car.. stands would do i reckon

yeh ive gota get out on cruises again.. im just so dame lazy!!!!

For any shock absorber ("damper" is the correct technical term), there are 2 different characteristics that are either designed into the unit, or can be adjusted - bump, and rebound control.
Bump is the rate at which it controls compression of the unit, and rebound is rebound.
Cheap coilovers only allow rebound adjustment (if it allows dampening adjustment at all), whereas professional units allow rebound, and dampening, adjustable independently of each other in many gradients. This lets you tune the system to exactly match the weight and handling characteristic of your car, and the surface/track you will be driving on. (Think any racing simulator game you have played).
All coilovers allow height adjustment, you were only stating the obvious.
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thanks for the explanation, its very easy to understand now you have explained it that way.

Hmm, it looks like I may have to ditch my suspension plan for some coilovers :P

Tek: you say that it is less durable then standard struts. Which component will need to be replaced every xxxxx km's? Surely not the whole thing?

Hmm, it looks like I may have to ditch my suspension plan for some coilovers :P

Tek: you say that it is less durable then standard struts. Which component will need to be replaced every xxxxx km's? Surely not the whole thing?

Well the springs come with 10year, 100,000km warranty
and shocks 2 year, 25,000km warranty

Most things usually WELL outlast their warranty periods so id say they would have to last years and years before needing to be touched. They are fully servicable though

Why would ppl think they're less durable then standard struts? :confused:

i tell u now they not less durable than standard struts......

i tell u now they not less durable than standard struts......

yeah i was actually under the impression they were more durable than standard...

DAMN, that looks sick i like it a lot, i so wish i had gone down the path of coil overs before lowering my car first would of only been an extra $700 and with 17"s id have the verada literaly sitting on the ground, :drool:

MAAAAAAATE THEY ARE F*CKING HOT BLING!!!! :shock:

Freaking fantastic...... what about the bushes? Did you put a full set of polyurethanes through as well?

I reccomend going to a specialist suspension place with corner scales etc to get it PROPERLY SET UP. Wheel alignment, ride hight, camber, toe, caster, THE LOT.

Your tyres (and wallet) will thank you later through better mileage, fuel economy and will put a bigger smile on your face from the even better handling than you have.

MAAAAAAATE THEY ARE F*CKING HOT BLING!!!! :shock:

Freaking fantastic...... what about the bushes? Did you put a full set of polyurethanes through as well?

I reccomend going to a specialist suspension place with corner scales etc to get it PROPERLY SET UP. Wheel alignment, ride hight, camber, toe, caster, THE LOT.

Your tyres (and wallet) will thank you later through better mileage, fuel economy and will put a bigger smile on your face from the even better handling than you have.

Thanks!

Been suggested that i get a camber kit and strut brace.. anything else i should look at?
When you say specialist, who do i look for? ie just any shop that does wheel alignments?

Why would ppl think they're less durable then standard struts? :confused:
Because they see them smashed to bits on Rally cars.

But that is some bloody hardcore use for coilovers, you'd have to hit something pretty severe to bust a coilover.

Because they see them smashed to bits on Rally cars.

But that is some bloody hardcore use for coilovers, you'd have to hit something pretty severe to bust a coilover.

Well im actually more careful with my new setup because its lower so my coilovers should never get busted!! :D

Can anyone suggest what else i should get to go with the coilovers as far as suspension mods go?

Also, what can i do to make my front tyre/wheel clear my front guard so i can bring it down a bit?

Thanks!

Been suggested that i get a camber kit and strut brace.. anything else i should look at?
When you say specialist, who do i look for? ie just any shop that does wheel alignments?

Definitely go for a full set of polyurethane bushes. These will put the forces through the suspension, instead of allowing the suspension to twist and distort on the road like the rubber bushes do. This will make the car so much more predicable, it will feel like it is on rails. You will get a bit more NVH however. Choose any brand of your persuasion... I prefer Whiteline myself. Anthony sells Whiteline also.

I would go for a Front strut brace also, and a 22mm rear swaybar. these should set you back under $400 and will make a big difference also. Anthony is the man to see on these. He also was going to do a rear strut brace. For another $200ish (if he is making them) that would probably not make alot of difference, but you would notice it.

Go for extras only if you cannot get the adjustment required for Camber, caster, toe. If the camber adjustment is not enough, get a camber kit.

I would only go to a place that has Corner Weighing Scales. These are 4 separate weighing pads that go under each wheel to tell the weight distribution of a car. Useful for determining ideal spring rates. If a place has them, that would make them a suspension specialist in my book. Also look for laser and/or computer alignment machine, and for the types of brands they stock.

I have no idea where you are, but I am sure someone on here could give a recommendation of a place somewhere near you. Also look in the Zoom/Hot4s/Fast4s/Autosalon mags... the good places will be in them.

Hope to see it in person one day.

Also, what can i do to make my front tyre/wheel clear my front guard so i can bring it down a bit?

Get your guards rolled. you may have to 'trim' some things also.

Abovementioned 'Specialist' should be able to do it or recommend someone who they use to do it.

Get your guards rolled. you may have to 'trim' some things also.

Abovementioned 'Specialist' should be able to do it or recommend someone who they use to do it.

Thanks heaps for your help mate!!

I know a place that can do the rolling for me, trouble is i cant put the wheel arch flare back on once its done.. Hmmm maybe a bit of a trade off to go lower.

Just gota find me a good suspension shop now!

No worries. PM sent.

Get the guards rolled. For a really phat look, talk to a panelbeater about pumping the guards wider. I'd love to see that! Would cost (off teh top of my head - beating out, prep, paint & fit.... ahhh) might get away with it for $1300-1500 for the fronts only.

Or get somewhere to develop a wide-body bodykit so you can remove the guards or cut them where they are a problem... :cool:

I know a place that can do the rolling for me, trouble is i cant put the wheel arch flare back on once its done..

Do they really have to reshape the outer lip of the guard so the flare won't fit at all?

r u sure u can't silastic it back on where the clips will be missing.

u should still have the screws holding it on at either end and just run a bead of black silastic along the edge.

Bob Janes at Bankstown has a nice 4 wheel laser alignment setup. Not sure about the weighing bit though.

As for bringing the wheel in at the front, can u get 5mm or so machined from the inner part of the rim around the stud area, within safety limits of course.

edit:Maybe contact ROH for this idea just to be safe.

Hmm, it looks like I may have to ditch my suspension plan for some coilovers :P

Tek: you say that it is less durable then standard struts. Which component will need to be replaced every xxxxx km's? Surely not the whole thing?

The spring would wear out faster than a conventional spring, because it's a smaller diameter part. Coilovers are often rebuildable given availability of spare parts for any given model, so you should be covered that respect.

Gremlin: Don't forget that warranty covers manufacturing defect, it doesn't cover fair wear + tear.

In terms of a performance wheel alignment, I would steer clear from BobJanes or Beaurepaires etc, unless you know someone there who knows exactly what they're doing and will do it for you. A lot of mainstream outlets start freaking out when you talk about anything more than a simple toe adjustment. I recommend give Whiteline a call and see if they can recommend you an outlet in NSW; I only know of a really good shop in Melbourne.

thew0lf: As for machining the mounting surface of a wheel to increase positive offset, yes it is possible (go to an alloy wheel repair shop). They should be able to tell you how much can be safely machined (and your state regulation limit too). Don't forget though that this will prevent you from rotating your tyres front to rear unless you strip the tyres off each time, as running a wider track at the front compared to the back is very very unstable. Each time you strip a tyre off a wheel you put substantial wear + tear on the tyre bead so you want to avoid doing it repeatedly. This would be a fairly extreme solution though as it would also make it hard to sell the wheels afterwards if you have mismatched pairs.

Gremlin what is the ride like? Is it very hard or is this adjustable as well? Obviously 19" rims would put it at the ahrder end of the scale anyway. Tek maybe you can elaborate or is this just a factor of spring rates?

as running a wider track at the front compared to the back is very very unstable.

Magnas, as with most front wheel drives run a wider track up front. Its about 20mm difference on the magna (front to rear) :) its for "stability" ;)

gremlin, the coilovers look the business. I wonder how they perform compared to konis ... might have to get a set and put the konis on the TL ;)

Gremlin what is the ride like? Is it very hard or is this adjustable as well? Obviously 19" rims would put it at the ahrder end of the scale anyway. Tek maybe you can elaborate or is this just a factor of spring rates?

Well i pulled out stock shocks with king lows on them. I honestly think its about the same as far as harshness goes

Ive had a wheel alignment down. Can anyone tell me wiether i will throw it out again by changing the height? Some say yes, others say no

Ive had a wheel alignment down. Can anyone tell me wiether i will throw it out again by changing the height? Some say yes, others say no

With suspension, change one thing, you will surely change another. Might only be a quarter of a degree of toe, or half a degree of camber, but yes, you will affect SOMETHING.

Reply to my PM you slacker!

Looks great and your car definitely looks pretty slammed. I had reservations about it before as I know someone with a Lancer who had the Hotbits coilovers. At the lowest setting, the car was pretty low but not slammed. As I'd go 19s too in future it looks like your coilovers would do the job in terms of slammage looks.

From memory theres usually 3 versions of hotbits coilovers for each make. ie. street, sports, and track or something. Do you know what yours is? The lancer street ones I took for a drive had awesome ride and handling but going over bumps were greeted with a huge thump. I guess it depends on which ones you get in terms of what you can adjust.

Looks great and your car definitely looks pretty slammed. I had reservations about it before as I know someone with a Lancer who had the Hotbits coilovers. At the lowest setting, the car was pretty low but not slammed. As I'd go 19s too in future it looks like your coilovers would do the job in terms of slammage looks.

From memory theres usually 3 versions of hotbits coilovers for each make. ie. street, sports, and track or something. Do you know what yours is? The lancer street ones I took for a drive had awesome ride and handling but going over bumps were greeted with a huge thump. I guess it depends on which ones you get in terms of what you can adjust.

i THINK these are Street but you'd really have to ask Anthony

i THINK these are Street but you'd really have to ask Anthony

street sports
http://www.hotbits.org/product.html

Magnas, as with most front wheel drives run a wider track up front. Its about 20mm difference on the magna (front to rear) :) its for "stability" ;)

gremlin, the coilovers look the business. I wonder how they perform compared to konis ... might have to get a set and put the konis on the TL ;)

Yes, but I am talking about in proportion, in that you are modifying the track of one end of the car and not the other.

Just for everyone's awaareness, i've been doing a bit of research on coilovers this morning. It seems there are two types of coilovers.

First is a true coilover setup. The second type is Ground Control, which is a sleeve design. Now Hotbits is in the second category, along with Whiteline Group 4's (which I don't think they have any parts for the Magna anyway).

Basically the Ground Control is the cheaper of the two types, and achieves the same functionality, however it is obviously not as durable as the true coilover setup.

Whilst this won't be a significant importance to many of us since we don't do full time track work with our cars, I thought I might let people know anyway.

Oh and remind yourselves that coilovers were originally designed for functionality and not BLING BLING! When set up correctly your car will handle awesomely well with either types of coilovers.

The set of coilovers Gremlin has is Street spec. Sports spec are damper adjustable and Race spec is damper adjustable with even heavier valving than sports and with a reserve canister for ultimate control.

We are working with Hot Bits and will bring out the Sports spec ini 3 weeks and the Street spec in 3.5 weeks.

The one Gremlin has is a 1 off special prototype that we knew was awesome on a TE-TH but never tested on a TJ Sports.

A while ago we had a TE-TH prototype that we were trying to find a test car for and we had it at $1550, but that was a prototype price and Hot Bits, like virtually all other suspension / brakes / exhaust companies has put up their prices this year.

On most cars, adjusting the height is unlikely to alter any other settings other than camber. That's why you see commodores that are slammed has massive negative camber, that's because they have not actually got a camber correction kit, a trailing arm kit, nor a pan hard rod kit which will help them to adjust that camber and provide a better ride and handling ability. The only thing I can say about those cars..... owners are ignorant idiots.

As Gremlin has said, they come with some very extensive warranty and they are fully rebuildable. They are not like a lot of the jap brands (even though there's none that makes for Magna) that is sealed or can be rebuilt but no one has the parts of ability to do it in Aust.

In the very long run, the coilovers does tend to have shorter life than conventional suspension. But that's only because you are improving performance. In relative terms, if conventional suspension dies in 100,000km, then coilovers will die in 80,000k. Just like wearing Bendix brake pads compared to Ferodo brake pads. Bendix will last longer, but Ferodo will stop in half the distance. I mod my car to be better, if I want a family car to go shopping, I wouldn't be on this forum.

Street spec ride quality is about as stiff as Kings with KYB, but it's the quality that will improve. ie. it will feel more sturdy and give a more controlled ride, because the springs are matched to the shock. Instead of being made by 2 different companies in 2 different continents.

I hope this has answered all questions. If there's anymore I am happy to answer..... if I have missed any please email or PM me.

Thanks! :cool:

group buy thread on these started HERE (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17686)

I don't want king springs anymore I want coilovers. Yeah Baby. Trouble is I have a TR wagon and I don't know if anyone does coilovers for them and also the rear suspension setup isn't a McPherson strut based setup. Does anyone know if this will allow for rear coilovers?

gremlin,

Hows them coilovers performing so far?

Just wanted to ask about the ride height adjustment.

From THIS PIC (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9166) it looks like you have roughly 6-8" of adjustment. Is this the same front and rear?

You state that in PIC NO.2 (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9164) you are about a quarter of the way down. Does this mean you can get close to 2" height increase on what you have in this pic (perfect for my wife and shopping).

And you basically can slam it till "she can't take anymore" for some "PIMPIN" (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~thw01f/vrx/vrxslam.jpg)

thanks

gremlin,

Hows them coilovers performing so far?

Just wanted to ask about the ride height adjustment.

From THIS PIC (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9166) it looks like you have roughly 6-8" of adjustment. Is this the same front and rear?

You state that in PIC NO.2 (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9164) you are about a quarter of the way down. Does this mean you can get close to 2" height increase on what you have in this pic (perfect for my wife and shopping).

And you basically can slam it till "she can't take anymore" for some "PIMPIN" (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~thw01f/vrx/vrxslam.jpg)

thanks

Hey so far they're great. No complaints at all.

I havent actually tried taking it all the way up. I'd expect it to be a little above stock ride height. I reckon with it right down its around about a 4" drop

Im about to take the wheels off again in a few hours time to get more pics so ill measure the thread on the coilovers for you then

Here is one of the pics i took this avo..

http://www.astra.com.au/front1.jpg

And here is a pic of my TR in the same spot.. I used to think it had big wheels and was very low haha.. doesnt really compare when i look at those two pics

http://www.astra.com.au/trfront.jpg

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Furys look awesome in 19"!

what can I say......... :bowdown:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~thw01f/vrx/gremlin.jpg

Whoa... http://forums.wakeboarder.com/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Here is one of the pics i took this avo..

http://www.astra.com.au/front1.jpg can u drive it at this hight or cant u get full lock, coz it looks its sitting on the rubber
cheers
Rhys
p.s getting very keen to buy these coilovers

Yes, but I am talking about in proportion, in that you are modifying the track of one end of the car and not the other.
I'm sorry tek--, I didn't pick that from your post ... perhaps it wasn't clear ;)

ahhh yes looks awsome

3 weeks and waiting...
will pay the deposit tuesday

post up a higher res version of that pic man.. looks distorted after compression

can u drive it at this hight or cant u get full lock, coz it looks its sitting on the rubber
cheers
Rhys
p.s getting very keen to buy these coilovers

It rubs because of the 19s. They are too wide. If i had 17x7s on im sure it wouldnt rub at either front or back.

I can get full lock, only problem is the flares get pushed around but it does clear the guard

I'll put up a higher res pic when i get home, cheers

Need A Bigger Pic To Brag!

gremlin - please clear your PM's....

Need A Bigger Pic To Brag!
thats looking good enough to brag i reakon

what can I say......... :bowdown:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~thw01f/vrx/gremlin.jpg

wow that is serioulsy one of thse best looking......ahhh......3rd gen......yeah that should do it....magnas ive ever seen, that just looks absolutly MEAN BOY. what can i say i wish my car looked like that but i dont have the dosh to do that kind of thing....top job dude full credit

im still stoked i cant belive how awesome it looks

dame, its hot hey... too bad i dont own it anymore.,,

i love it so much more now... i dunno why.. guess u dont look at things the same when u own them....