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pomejo
29-04-2005, 02:40 PM
i have asked the guys doing my cams how much it will cost for na cams they said i will have to get 10 sets to get them for a good price(its cheeper for them to do 10 sets at once)so i will find out the price on monday BUT is there any one how wants them and has the money for them please let me know if its worth me going any further with this


the company i go throught arewarby engines i should have my car done in about 4 more weeks then you can see if there going to be tapers or not they swear to me there very good one's. this company is also now supplying my pistons there billet alloy i have seen some and they look f****** good so the cams should be too

Meh
29-04-2005, 03:06 PM
well mines gonna be turbo'd so will there be much difference in the two ?

AFA
29-04-2005, 03:10 PM
Approx how much?

KING EGO
29-04-2005, 03:23 PM
I could be interested.. depends on the prices...

**Sits and waits for Monday**

:D :D

Poita
29-04-2005, 03:33 PM
will i need anything but the cams? i.e. new ECU etc?

[THUGDOUT]
29-04-2005, 04:05 PM
will i need anything but the cams? i.e. new ECU etc?

you'll get the most out of cams with a piggyback ecu, breathing mods, port n polished pistons


i wish i had a good paying job (just wait til i finish uni lol) coz then i would get cams n coilovers in the group buys :(

whats the stage 2 cam tho? more aggresivly design for top end? im guessing you would need new valve springs and gears too?

pomejo
29-04-2005, 04:37 PM
well mines gonna be turbo'd so will there be much difference in the two ?
yes there will be. you cant use na cams on a turbo mine are cams for a sc different again if you can get 10 who want turbo cams i can get them

pomejo
29-04-2005, 04:43 PM
will i need anything but the cams? i.e. new ECU etc?
you will need a piggy back ecu.intake mods would be good and extractors but not a must

TecoDaN
29-04-2005, 04:44 PM
I'll put in my interest if it is going to be decently priced. It's a tad early for my liking, but then again I don't know who else can provide me some decent cams (Better then the Ralliart) other then "not-to-be-named" company.

pomejo
29-04-2005, 04:50 PM
']you'll get the most out of cams with a piggyback ecu, breathing mods, port n polished pistons
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your thinking of port and polished heads not pistons and even with the power mine will have im not getting a port and polished heads
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i wish i had a good paying job (just wait til i finish uni lol) coz then i would get cams n coilovers in the group buys :(

whats the stage 2 cam tho? more aggresivly design for top end? im guessing you would need new valve springs and gears too?

stage 2 cams give better top end very agresive accerlation and lumpy idol and will have a power band no you wont need new valves or springs

[THUGDOUT]
29-04-2005, 04:51 PM
hmmm, lumpy idol ay

how would the driveabilty be of the car after?

pomejo
29-04-2005, 04:55 PM
not much diffrent at low speed then like a turbo go nuts when you get to 2000 rpm- 2500rpm
and will sound like a v8 when idoling

[THUGDOUT]
29-04-2005, 04:57 PM
would be worried bout getting it off the mark specially in an auto

Gazza
29-04-2005, 07:14 PM
Does anyone have them in a auto 3.5 car

Whats sort of cost are we talking about her ?? around the 900$ mark or am i being realstic??

[THUGDOUT]
30-04-2005, 12:00 AM
Does anyone have them in a auto 3.5 car

Whats sort of cost are we talking about her ?? around the 900$ mark or am i being realstic??


if 10+ buyers maybe 900, im thinking if ur just buying one it would be around 1200 mark, seems to be the price of new cams (not re-grinds)

SLO3L
30-04-2005, 12:45 AM
Are the cams any different between the 3.0 are 3.5's? I think they are.

benny_TE
30-04-2005, 02:44 AM
yay more cam talk!

btw simon what r port and polished pistons? lol , jk,

anyways if ya give us an estismate im sure you'll get more interest in the cams

later :cool:

KING EGO
30-04-2005, 08:39 AM
Will sound like a v8 when idoling


Okay i want now.. MMM that will go really well with my dual pipes straight off the extractors.. :D

Icarian
30-04-2005, 03:18 PM
you will need a piggy back ecu.intake mods would be good and extractors but not a must
So i will need:
Piggy Back System - ie Greddy or Haltech?

The follow isn't a mist but would help
Intake mods - would CAI be sufficent?
Extractors - I have pace makers :)


not much diffrent at low speed then like a turbo go nuts when you get to 2000 rpm- 2500rpm
and will sound like a v8 when idoling

*DROOLS* I sooooo want that V8 idle... It would be sooo worth it just for that.


']would be worried bout getting it off the mark specially in an auto

Will it create a porblem with getting off the mark, especially with an auto or is that only going to be with more aggresive cams?


Pomejo, I may be interested once I have seen the price, as after that I am still looking at money for piddy back ecu.

HyperTF
30-04-2005, 03:23 PM
Looks like there are a few people waiting with interest... (me included lol) my car has been waiting patiently for a new mod. We'll see, cant commit right at this stage unless the price is too hard to shy away from.

BRICK
30-04-2005, 03:40 PM
all i have to say is "PRICE" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if rite price i could be interested

TecoDaN
30-04-2005, 03:44 PM
Well realistically speaking I didn't want to do engine mods until the end of this year due to financial issues. But hey I will be looking for cams anyway, and at the moment it seems only one place that does cams. If this interest provides a way to get a different set of cams (better then the Ralliart in terms of mid-range performance) and decently priced then I'll support it all the way.


But I'm still thinking whether to stick to N/A or go forced induction.

[THUGDOUT]
30-04-2005, 03:46 PM
So i will need:
Piggy Back System - ie Greddy or Haltech?

The follow isn't a mist but would help
Intake mods - would CAI be sufficent?
Extractors - I have pace makers :)



*DROOLS* I sooooo want that V8 idle... It would be sooo worth it just for that.



Will it create a porblem with getting off the mark, especially with an auto or is that only going to be with more aggresive cams?


Pomejo, I may be interested once I have seen the price, as after that I am still looking at money for piddy back ecu.

mmm maybe its for more agressive cams, and i dont kno much about it but wouldnt u need a high stall converter? or sumthing like that

Killbilly
30-04-2005, 03:53 PM
Yes there are cam differences between the 3.0 and 3.5

Something to do with some notch that one has that the other doesnt...can't remember exactly

PattyBoy
30-04-2005, 05:29 PM
would be much different in price for the cams for a a 3.0 and a 3.5?? or just same?

TZABOY
01-05-2005, 01:37 PM
i'd grab a set, but remember ppl's you'll need new valve springs and i believe adjustable cam gears. If its the right price i'll be grabbing a set straight away

HyperTF
01-05-2005, 01:40 PM
i'd grab a set, but remember ppl's you'll need new valve springs and i believe adjustable cam gears. If its the right price i'll be grabbing a set straight away
Get ready for your PM box to fill up with offers to buy your cams if you do lol

So all this talk of differences between the 3.0 and the 3.5 cams, will this mean that either they will do a build of 10+ for either of the two types or what? I guess what I am asking is... are the people with 3.0's (like me) going to need to have 10 interested buyers before they will make those too? or is this 3.0's and 3.5's combined? :confused:

Did that make one ounce of sense?

pomejo
01-05-2005, 04:25 PM
if there diffrent cams witch they are then if people want 3.0 cams there will need to be 10 poeple to get them or they will cost s*** loads like mine are. so 10 people for 3.0 and 10 people for 3.5

HyperTF
01-05-2005, 04:32 PM
if there diffrent cams witch they are then if people want 3.0 cams there will need to be 10 poeple to get them or they will cost s*** loads like mine are. so 10 people for 3.0 and 10 people for 3.5
Thanks for clearing that up... I will go and sob in the corner now. I think the people who have put their hands up better get back into this thread and state what engine type they have... don't want to stuff around on this one.

Meh
01-05-2005, 04:36 PM
yer so is it 10 of the same or just 10 all up

Meh
01-05-2005, 04:37 PM
if there diffrent cams witch they are then if people want 3.0 cams there will need to be 10 poeple to get them or they will cost s*** loads like mine are. so 10 people for 3.0 and 10 people for 3.5
whoops just read this one haha my bad


so yurs are costing heaps caz yur just getting one off's for your s/c application

pomejo
01-05-2005, 05:39 PM
whoops just read this one haha my bad


so yurs are costing heaps caz yur just getting one off's for your s/c application
ya mine are costing **** loads one offs
if there are 10 people out there wanting 3.0 cams just tell me i'll get them to make 2 sets 10 each

EZ Boy
01-05-2005, 09:06 PM
Are these just the Tighe cams that RPW resell? Dean Tighe didn't seem particularly interested in doing a deal for anyone under $1000 even for 50sets.

The team at Wade needs to get moving on this!!

Meh
02-05-2005, 12:00 AM
ya mine are costing **** loads one offs
if there are 10 people out there wanting 3.0 cams just tell me i'll get them to make 2 sets 10 each
so all 3.0lt do they have to be the same grind though :confused:

SLO3L
02-05-2005, 12:02 AM
I'd be one of the ten for 3.0 cams :D

Icarian
02-05-2005, 11:50 AM
I'm still interested but all depends on price.

Plus can someone tell me if i will need a Greddy or haltech system to top it off?
I'm pretty sure thats what I will need.

mr_mbquart
02-05-2005, 12:00 PM
i also would be interested have some spare cash at the moment so if they r the right price then i would b keen

ARCTIC TE
03-05-2005, 11:25 AM
intrested for stage 2 for 3.0 litre but need a price

EZ Boy
03-05-2005, 01:36 PM
I'm still interested but all depends on price.

Plus can someone tell me if i will need a Greddy or haltech system to top it off?
I'm pretty sure thats what I will need.


Would definately be an advantage - if you want to get value for money from the mod. And you're gunna need the Piggyback when you turbo/SC or go stupid with the compression.


No one has answered my question yet: Are these Tighe Cams - just like the one's RPW resell?

PattyBoy
03-05-2005, 01:56 PM
Id be up for 3.0 cams, at the right price i count 4 or 5 so far, I would like to know what i need first?
Cams?
Springs?
ECU?
How much trouble they are to install.?

megatron
03-05-2005, 02:07 PM
Id be up for 3.0L cams, at the right price I would like to know what i need first?
Cams?
Springs?
ECU?
How much trouble they are to install.?as above

green
03-05-2005, 09:33 PM
i would be in for these as well...
dont know if there is any difference between the cam fitment on 3.0L and 3.5 L. Certainly my TF 3.0L has the same cam timings as my KF 3.5L Verada (newer 3.5L have differnet timings). Someone once said the distributor drive pin was @ a different location but I dont see how this could be. One day might pull the heads of both cars and compare the cams back to back, im sure they would be interchangable as the Gregory's manual seems to indicate this as well.
Obviously pulling the cams out of both vehicle's would be a major hassle. Even if the distibutor drive pin hole was in a different location this would easily be able to be modified by any decent place for cheap. (this would be only usefull to those with a 3.0L wishing to fit Ralliart cams).
Tomorrow will call Mitsubishi to see if the Part #'s for TF Magna 3.0 and KF Verada 3.5 cams are the same...

KING EGO
03-05-2005, 09:36 PM
i'd grab a set, but remember ppl's you'll need new valve springs and i believe adjustable cam gears. If its the right price i'll be grabbing a set straight away


Yeah thats what i heard.. New springs and new gears i heard but i dont know much.. What sort of money are we looking at for springs or gears..?? :D

pomejo
04-05-2005, 04:07 PM
went in to get the price for the cams to day seeing as he did not ring me
and he said he has been so busy he has not had time to sit down and work it out
i told him there some people that want 3.0l ones and some stage 1's.so he said he will sit down and give me a price for all the sets and how much if only 2-3 sets are wanted will get back to you all soon

HyperTF
04-05-2005, 04:53 PM
cheers for that...

kk84wa
04-05-2005, 10:06 PM
om on the look out for them for mine! what company does them and how much

Redav
05-05-2005, 06:14 AM
So, what determines 'stage 1' or 'stage 2' profiles? Are they designed or guessed?

Phonic
05-05-2005, 07:58 AM
There is no set spec per stage. Cam profiles are calculated working from the stock profiles of a perticular engine. Stage 1 simply refers to a slight modification in the specs to achive a mild increase in perfermance, stage 2 would be more aggressition dialed into the specs and so on. Stage 3 on a set of cams could be equivalent to stage 2 on another set of cams from a different manufacturer.

Put simply the staged incriments in cam aggression are chosen by the manufacturer according to thier prefered cam charecteristics. :D

jay04
05-05-2005, 10:10 AM
I wonder whats the difference between nitrous cams, supercharger cams, and turbo cams. I am guessing its how long a particular valve stays open and/or closes.


Give us a idea of how much its gonna be then we can determine if we are gonna buy em or not. if they are around the same price as the ralliart one I might be interested.

By the way is this for only N/a cams? I wanna turbo my ccar in the future so not sure if I wanna go with N/a cams. Something to think about.

HyperTF
05-05-2005, 10:36 AM
jay04: Just a hunch, but something tells me they are going to be more expensive than Ralliart cams.

Phonic: Thanks for that information... I was wondering about that too... bit of a n00b in this dept. lol

I have a 3.0L and I am interested... but yeah... all boils down to price (i know it depends on how many people would be buying too)

I have tried to compile a list of seemingly interested people from posts so far… if you find yourself on the list and don’t want to be speak up and vise versa, if you are not on list and want to be speak up…

This is just a tentative list for now until prices can be confirmed. Don’t panic… it is not locking you into anything… just so Pomejo can see the number of people who are interested at this stage.

EDIT: LIST UPDATED FURTHER AHEAD IN THE THREAD

Phonic
05-05-2005, 02:06 PM
Add me to the 3.0 list please Neil :P ,

Ohh and mr_mcquart has a 3.5L :D

HyperTF
05-05-2005, 02:30 PM
Add me to the 3.0 list please Neil :P ,

Ohh and mr_mcquart has a 3.5L :D
Cheers Mate :D :thumbsup:

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This is just a tentative list for now until prices can be confirmed. Don’t panic… it is not locking you into anything… just so Pomejo can see the number of people who are interested at this stage.

The 3.5’s
The Ego
Poita
TecoDan
Icarian
TZABOY – Ralliart for sale (still interested?)
kk84wa
jay04
mr_mbquart
BLKMAG

The 3.0’s
Phonic
Brick
SLO3L
ARCTIC TE
PattyBoy
Megatron
Green
HyperTF

BLKMAG
05-05-2005, 03:12 PM
chuck my name in depending on price :D ..........3.5ltr

can't let all you mofo's get cams and get further ahead on 1/4 times lol

Icarian
06-05-2005, 03:55 AM
Would definately be an advantage - if you want to get value for money from the mod. And you're gunna need the Piggyback when you turbo/SC or go stupid with the compression.


No one has answered my question yet: Are these Tighe Cams - just like the one's RPW resell?


Super charger or Turbo :D

But then I would need different cams again...